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  1. #61  
    I am also interested in a browser that is faster than Blazer
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  2. #62  
    Out of curiosity, what do people think of 5-way support found in Nokia's OSS Browser? It is basically a mouse system (page scrolls up/down/left/right when the pointer is at the top/bottom/left/right of the window, and the user moves around the pointer like a mouse).

    Ok, enough thread hijacking. I'll start my own, soon.
  3. #63  
    I use OperaMini on my 600 because EudoraWeb and Blazer suck so much. Opera works better but is unstable and won't cut/paste. This alone is enough reason for me to jump ship to WM5. If I had a good Palm browser I could use my 600 for quite a while yet.
  4. #64  
    Count me in.

    Ditton on what the web designer above stated. Allow for www.megaupload.com, www.yousendit.com and www.rapidshare.de support, too (flash and jSjSjS?).
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  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by theleetbeagle View Post
    Count me in.

    Ditton on what the web designer above stated. Allow for www.megaupload.com, www.yousendit.com and www.rapidshare.de support, too (flash and jSjSjS?).
    Flash is usually pretty hard to implement. It requires a plug in architecture and then a flash plugin. I don't think the plugin architecture is too difficult, but flash, hmmm...
  6. #66  
    well I don't think any of the three NEED flash to download the actual file(s) they have available, but they all need jsjsjs, $methinks$.
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  7. #67  
    Adding pen support is proving to be quite a bit of work, as you do expect pen operation to be much more powerful than key presses, which translates into a lot of UI upgrades. I will try to get an early beta out ASAP that supports all the basic UI navigational operations, which may seem awkward at first, because they are all based on key commands.
    This is not a bad thing. HOnestly, if you can "keep the Treo mantra" by designing a browser that does not need to use the stylus at all, it would make for a heck of a nice browser, and a lot more accessible than most. Of course, doing things such as getting to a particular point on a page and clicking to download images might be a bit much, but it's doable.

    I wonder what rendering engine that it will be that you are using. I have been taking a closer look at Nokia's Web Browser (and its upcoming 2.0 version) and that one is based on WebKit (same as MacOS Safari). I know that Gekko is not a small engine, and just getting that to work on WinMob devices has been a lesson in memory playfulness. So I just wonder on that end.

    If all you give is a basic browser that can then take plugins for additional functionality (RSS, download manager, themes, FTP, etc.) that would be excellent.

    Heres hoping that some beta reports can come soon and we can get a taste of browsing a bit different on our Treos.
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  8. #68  
    Any updates on the new browser ?
  9. #69  
    If you are still accepting additional beta testers.... I have a Treo 650(GSM), have need to use the web quite a bit for various sites, and I keep the JVM loaded....

    Thanks,
    Dave
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  10. #70  
    These JVMs have always been a headache to me. Native Palm apps would be good anyways I can give this a shot to see how it goes.

    Goodluck on your new browser.

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  11.    #71  
    Some updates. First, please accept my heartfelt thanks to everyone for all the encouragements. I only hope I don't disappoint. OK, some updates ...

    The ported version is basically working. Yes it will require the IBM JVM. The installation seems straight forward on my T|X, and I'll be glad to help anyone who have problems. All the basic functions are working: networking, rendering, HTTPS, pen input, bookmarks, saving to files. I'm currently working through some minor isues with file access but it shouldn't take too much work. However, it appears the JVM only allows saving files to the SD card.

    Now, what's been taking so long? I'm struggling with a problem that still baffles me. After surfing for a while, the app would run out of memory, even though the JVM would report having lots of free memory. I'm hoping it's an issue with the T|X only, because it is not listed as a supported device for J9. Maybe some of the Treo users here can tell me whether they see the same problem.

    There are still tons of things I'd like to add, but the current version is probably good enough for a beta trial. I'm hoping to release the beta in the next 2 weeks. It will be made available for general download on my web site.
  12. #72  
    Lack of a decent browser is THE downfall of Treos running POS IMHO. Count me in as another customer when you have a product (others here are much more savvy than moi and would make better beta testers.)
  13.    #73  
    Hi all,

    The promised beta version is now available for download at (edit: removed link upon the end of trial period.)

    If you have the JVM (IBM WEME) already installed, you can download Minuet OTA at (edit: removed link upon the end of trial period.)
    The beta version will be available for at least 2 weeks but will be removed as soon as the final release version is on sale.

    Some new features in this release (beside the support for Palm) include:
    - support for GZIP compression.
    - save web page, images and download files to SD card.
    - auto-fill user names and passwords.
    - find text in page.

    I have given it some good testing but I am a newbie to Palm myself, so I do expect to see bugs and issues. Please send me your comments / problems / requests at http://www.triprince.com

    There is a known memory leak problem with WEME 5.7.1, and I'm trying to learn more about it to see if there are ways to work around it. As it is now, Minuet will probably run out of memory (and may crash) after a few minutes of active use. Please let me know if this is a serious problem for you.

    Last but not least, I'm doing this primarily with the hope that this will be useful to someone. The beta version will not expire. If you like it, please feel free to keep on using it.
    Last edited by triprince; 10/21/2006 at 06:20 PM.
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    #74  
    ok im playing now but how do i tell it its ok to use the data and moke it remeber its annoying everytime it asks to use data. so far no crashes after 5min browsing but ill hit it hard 2morrow at work(if its a slow day)

    you need a user manual too
  15. #75  
    Looks pretty good. Couple of questions and suggestions.

    1. How do you move the curser down to the bottom buttons with the five-way. Can't seem to do that. That is the main problem I see. Of course you can touch it with your thumb, but it would be nice to use the five-way.

    2. How do you create a bookmark. Of course I tried the Create button, but that only creates a list. Never mind. You use the Open command and then save it under the quicklist. Thats okay.

    3. You have some good bookmarks, but you should use the mobile sites. Like for CNN, you have the main CNN site instead of the CNN mobile site (http://206.130.125.133/mobile.php?UMPG=index) Using the regular sites doesn't show off the speed of the browser.

    4. Under the shortcuts menu, that is real nice you can change the shortcut keys.

    5. Is there a way to shut off the images and graphics, like in Blazer?

    Overall looks very nice. No crashes for me and real fast.
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    #76  
    scrolling via 5-way does not work properly..say i press the down on 5way it skips 2 tabs on the webpage i m viewing so i have to tap the tab with stylus and then press select!!
  17. #77  
    Can you switch the 5 way behavior so that Up/Down scrolls pages and right/left scrolls links?

    The way it is now is just like Opera which is confusing to folks used to Blazer or Xiino or others, and in my opinion, it's less intuitive.

    As for bookmarks ga, you can also click "Save" and save to a bookmark
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    #78  
    Quote Originally Posted by T-ulk View Post
    scrolling via 5-way does not work properly..say i press the down on 5way it skips 2 tabs on the webpage i m viewing so i have to tap the tab with stylus and then press select!!
    I second the above comment and it seams a bit sluggish after hitting a button or selecting a tab it hesitates a bit before moving along anyone else feel the same or ist it me.

    and im not seeing the speed in fact Nweb seams to load espn.com (full site) faster than minuet. but dslreports speed test is next to try
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    First impressions:

    1.) I don't care for the GUI. Here's a comparison with Webpro.

    http://www.damontech.net/minuet.gif

    http://www.damontech.net/webpro.gif

    Please combine the title bar with the navigation buttons to save space, or at the very least, make the navigation buttons smaller. They take up too much space and the font is too big. Icons would be better. It's nice that I can make the title bar autohide I guess.

    2.) Inconsistent navigation within the program. For example, under General options, there's an Accept button and another button with dots. Under Advanced, there's Accept, Cancel, and Back.

    Also, annoyingly, I keep hitting Open after selecting a Preferences category instead of Select. Why is Select even there in the first place? The stylus tap should just open the category. Why the extra step?

    3.) No improvement in rendering speed over Webpro and it appears to do a worse job of rendering the page. See links above for an example at Google. Google's page doesn't look how Minuet displays it. Webpro does it right.

    5.) Where's the browser cache and why can't I move it to the SD Card?

    6.) 5-way support is incomplete.

    7.) Please let it remember it can use my data connection!

    8.) I can control the font size in Webpro with Fonts4OS5. The font I use with Webpro is NimbusSans 14 aa ker. The smallest font in Minuet is not small enough IMO and I can't control its fonts with Fonts4OS5 for some reason. Probabaly a Java thing.

    9.) Somehow I've managed to freeze the program three times now. The first two times it unfroze itself but I just reset my Treo the last time. I'm not sure what I'm doing to cause it. My data connection is poor at work, so that's a possibility I guess.

    Ahh, this is probably it:

    There is a known memory leak problem with WEME 5.7.1, and I'm trying to learn more about it to see if there are ways to work around it. As it is now, Minuet will probably run out of memory (and may crash) after a few minutes of active use. Please let me know if this is a serious problem for you.

    10.) I don't like the way Minuet handles text entry. It does it the same way Blazer does. I'd like to be able to enter text without another window popping up. For example, in Google I have to tap the text box, enter the text in another window, accept the text, and then scroll down to the search button. In Webpro, I just enter the text in the box and hit the Return key on the Treo or tap the Search button. If Minuet had rendered the page properly in the first place, at least the Search button would be in the same area as the text-entry box and I wouldn't have to scroll.

    11.) Have to install Java

    12.) Where's tabbed browsing?

    Overall, I'd have to say at this point there's little chance I'd pay for this browser. You did not address a good portion of my wish list:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...8&postcount=37

    Hopefully it improves. I will list more problems if I encounter them.
    Last edited by aldamon; 10/09/2006 at 08:36 AM.
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    7.) Please let it remember it can use my data connection!
    Java thing. Opera can't remember, either. There's no permanent data connection setting in WebSphere.
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