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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by evilhomer
    Thank you. Now that I got it found how to get English on the site.
  2. #22  
    I've also noticed that setting an account up on Versamail seemed to introduce some delay to my 700p (half second to 1 second loading the phone app). Although I should note, that for me this thing is quite fast in most general use circumstances.

    I think that there is too much emphasis being put by some on benchmarks scores (which have historically been shown to not always correspond to "real world" performance anyway). To anyone reading this thread without having used a 700p, they'd assume that it is actually 50% slower than the 650 in practice. In my experience this is not the case out of the box and for most casual users may never be an issue.

    I think that everyone would like to see some of kinks with the 700p ironed out, but making it sound like damaged goods because it's not as optimized as a device that has been out for almost 2 years is not entirely accurate. Reading some of the posts here I was expecting a much more mediocre experience with the 700p than the fairly trouble free one I've gotten so far.
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by brvheart
    as soon as I can check these and post them for you I will.

    hparsons - I have no clue what you mean by your post or why you are upset....anyone care to tell me what I missed here?
    Any benchmarks yet?
  4.    #24  
    no, I hope to have them Monday for you, I am still not sure what it will prove as I never said it was faster than the 650, I just said I finally got one that is acceptable to me. But I will post them if they help . Actually I am a little reluctant to load them since this thing is running so great for me.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by brvheart
    I am still not sure what it will prove as I never said it was faster than the 650, I just said I finally got one that is acceptable to me.
    Exactly!!!

    brvheart, the numbers will do nothing to enhance or add to the topic you posted. He simply want them up there so he can continue his "My 650 is better than your 700P" crusade.

    I think you post stands well on its own, and was noteworthy. Why bother with his petty "I want to prove my never-ending point" nonsense?
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by brvheart
    no, I hope to have them Monday for you, I am still not sure what it will prove as I never said it was faster than the 650, I just said I finally got one that is acceptable to me. But I will post them if they help . Actually I am a little reluctant to load them since this thing is running so great for me.
    Thanks. It's good to quantify the speeds that people are actually seeing. Nothing like objective numbers to put things in perspective. Hopefully there will be a way to identify the slow 700p's from the fast ones. Maybe build date, provider, hardware version, etc.
  7. #27  
    2000 Man, you just don't get it, do you??!! Look at what the guy said in his opening post:

    Quote Originally Posted by brvheart
    ... The only thing I did different was leave versamail off. It was working great so I did a full back up and then loaded versamail, right after loading versamail, I started having tons of issues.
    It had nothing to do with being a different machine, the problems he had previously with his others returned when he put Versamail on it, and disappeared again when it reset and didn't put it back.

    Please, get off your crusade. Let this thread be about what he's posting, not another one of your wide-eyed rants.
  8. #28  
    2000 Man, there is no such thing as "slow" builds and "fast" builds of the 700p. Everyone's 700p presently has firmware 1.06 (VZW) or 1.08 (Sprint), and all are A revs.

    I don't quite understand why you are obsessing so much on benchmarks to determine what is considered fast or slow. Do you have an endowment problem that you are resolving vicariously through your Treo?

    It sounds like taking all the unnecessary crap off your Treo helps solve the problems for many people. I never had any speed issues to begin with, and those that do should take a look at the software they are running.

    There is, perhaps, a .5 second delay when switching from an app to the applications screen, or from any of those screens to the phone screen. That's good enough for me, and my Treo hardware is no faster than anyone else's -- I just run a different combination of software!
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by SonnyS
    It sounds like taking all the unnecessary crap off your Treo helps solve the problems for many people.
    I do think it's fair to mention that Versamail is one of the programs that comes "stock" with the 700P, so it's a legitimate concern (IMHO ) that it may be causing problems. Thus I think brvheart's observation is a valuable one.

    However, the constant comparison of the 700P to 650 is not appropriate to the discussion. Overall, most of us don't care. We certainly don't need to see it introduced in so many threads about the 700P.
  10. #30  
    It's not about 700p vs. 650. What hparsons and SonnyS are having so much trouble understanding is that words like "fast" or "lightning" aren't very objective. If someone else with a 700p is reading this thread and wondering why their unit isn't "lighting fast" or whatever else, benchmarks (especially before and after) are a great way to get an objective measure on the steps being taken to speed up the 700p.
  11.    #31  
    Ok, now that we all got that out can anyone that is currently have issues do a few things to help see if my obervation about versamail is a for me only thing or a general needs to be fixed thing that has an affect on all the 700p's?

    if you are having issues with your Treo 700p (the things that kept coming up on mine when versamail was loaded etc are: White screens, 5-25 second delays while switching apps does not matter from what it seemed - phone app saw the most lag and white screens, SMS lockup like mad)

    1. Make a full back up - I dont want anyone saying brvheart did not say to make a backup now I lost everything! (it would happen, everyone is thinking a backup goes without saying, I agree.....but if I did not specify....you know)

    2. Do 3-5 hard resets - I found that doing this seemed to really flush everything out, could be just a coincidence, but humor me

    3.
    Go to the profile that syncs with your palm and rename the backup folder to backup_before or something that you will know what it is - Name does not matter

    4. Take your freshly reset 700p and sync without installing any of the "bonus" software from the disk

    5. after syncing, use the treo 700p for a while (your time will vary, I would suggest no less than a few hours) as you would normally use your treo. Document any issues that you had or issues that you had before that are not there now.

    6. If the first 5 steps went great for you and your treo 700p was now fast and no issues (keep in mind that a reset here and there is a given with these devices and I dont qualify that as a devective issue) then load up all the bonus software on the disk EXCEPT VERSAMAIL

    7. Repeat step 5, if you still have the same good outcome, then load versamail, set it up and see if your issues make a return. If they do, start over at step one leave out this step (7) and try a different mail client.

    I am not saying that this is a fix, I am just hoping that some people with the 700p issues could help test this out as it worked for me.

    If there is success with this method, then maybe we can start to pinpoint the troubles that some are seeing with the 700p, it may have just taken 3 times for me to get a good one, but it would be great for others if this helped them out.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by 2000 Man
    It's not about 700p vs. 650. What hparsons and SonnyS are having so much trouble understanding is that words like "fast" or "lightning" aren't very objective...
    2000 Man - What you seem to be having trouble with is what the original poster stated. He was having problems with previous units. New unit, he decided not to install Verichat. No (or few) problems. He installed Verichat, problems cropped up. Took it back off (restored it), and problems went away.

    That is objective. Your benchmarks mean absolutely nothing, except to continue on with your nonsense 650-700P comparisons.
  13. #33  
    thread reopened, please keep it civil and on topic..
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by 2000 Man
    Leave this thread before you get yourself banned. The OP asked for the software. If there really is a hardware difference, I think that people will want to know so they can get their defective 700p's replaced.
    I also wanted them. Thanks for the links.
  15.    #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    thread reopened, please keep it civil and on topic..
    thank you

    now back to the steps to follow to see if it helps can someone else give them a try? Also you might want to look at this thread Click here this was posted shortly after I made my original post and did not feel the need to re-type what they did....so if one of these helps
  16. #36  
    Any benchmarks yet?
  17. #37  
    I find the benchmarks really not helpful. The problem with the 700p seem to be mostly due to intermittant unresponsiveness, particularly related to messaging. At other times, the phone functions normally. The benchmark isn't going to tell me anything unless the phone happens to lag during the benchmarking... at which point it will tell me what.. that it is slower? I already knew that.

    The whole comparison issue deserves it's own thread without hijacking all others. The main benchmark *I* care about is: how long does it take to loud bloglines, gmail, and other sites? I long does it take to syncronize an IMAP account? My treo rarely does any hard calculations itself, so i'm not so interested in the onboard cpu all that much. But hey, that's how *I* work.
  18.    #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by 2000 Man
    Any benchmarks yet?
    no, dont look for them in this thread as it has nothing to do with the original topic, like I said, kinda afraid to load anything else on here since it is running so great right now. When you first asked about the benchmark, I thought that it would help report on the affect that versamail had, but after doing some searching and homework, that is not the case, so if I post them later, it will not be in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2000 Man
    Any benchmarks yet?
    First of all, from Speedy's website, here are the speeds for a 650 listed in the Device Benchmark section:

    Device Manufacturer Calc Mem Graph Total
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    Tungsten C Palm 0.40 0.16 0.19 0.75
    Tungsten T3[P] Palm 0.38 0.16 0.25 0.79
    Tungsten T5[P] Palm 0.38 0.15 0.27 0.80
    Zire 72 Palm 0.49 0.12 0.24 0.85
    LifeDrive[P] Palm 0.38 0.17 0.35 0.90
    Zodiac Tapwave 0.63 0.13 0.26 1.02
    Zodiac 2 Tapwave 0.63 0.13 0.26 1.02
    Tungsten T5[L] Palm 0.37 0.16 0.53 1.06
    TX[P] Palm 0.49 0.17 0.40 1.06
    Clié TJ25 Sony 0.57 0.19 0.32 1.08
    Clié TJ35 Sony 0.56 0.20 0.32 1.08
    Treo 650 Palm 0.52 0.24 0.33 1.09
    Clié TJ27 Sony 0.57 0.19 0.33 1.09

    Feel free to go to website yourself:

    http://www.aldweb.com/articles.php?lng=en&pg=6921

    I ran Speedy, and came with these scores for my 700p, loaded with software, are as follows:

    Treo 700p Palm .52 (Calc) .16 (Mem) .31 (Graph) .99 sec (total)

    In case you didn't understand this, smaller is better. It's FASTER than the 650. Don't believe me? Here's the picture below. I have no idea what your motivation is for spreading false facts that the 700p is slower than the 650 by "50%" on the Treo boards, but if I were Palm, I would sue you for libel......you ought to think about a retraction.....IMHO.
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  20. #40  
    Those 700p numbers are really low compared to the 650. Mine scores:

    0.38 0.17 0.24 0.79

    Still approx. 50% faster than a 700p.

    Still searching for that elusive "fast" 700p. There must be some of them out there.
    Last edited by 2000 Man; 06/28/2006 at 11:05 PM.
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