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    Hi. I've searched through the 700p forum and can't find my answer. Perhaps I'm not looking in the right place. I'm trying to find out how to remotely sync my 700p w/my desktop. I know there was a way w/the 600 but it never worked for me. I figured that if I can use a program like Avvenu to browse my pcs, I should be able to sync, too.

    Any help?

    Thanks in advance.

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    I find this cached on google, its for a treo300 but it worked for me.


    To set up your TREO to sync without cables or cradles read below.
    If you have a broadband/always on connection to the internet you will find remote hotsync a life saver. If you have dail up internet connection this might not be the best rote to hot sync. Unless you just want to try it for kicks.


    ON YOUR COMPUTER (assumes a PC):

    1. Make sure HOYSYNC MANAGER is set to run when your computer starts up.

    a) to do this click on hotsync manager icon near time
    b) choose setup
    c) go to the tab marked GENERAL
    d) make sure a check mark appears before the words
    ' ALWAYS AVAILABLE (PUT IN STARTUP FOLDER)

    2. Make sure HOYSYNC MANAGER is set to accept TCP/IP Network request to sync.

    a) to do this click on hotsync manager icon near time
    b) make sure a check mark appears before the word network

    3. Make sure HOYSYNC MANAGER is setup on your network.

    a) to do this click on hotsync manager icon near time
    b) choose setup
    c) go to the tab marked NETWORK
    d) make sure a check mark appears before the user who
    wants to sync over the internet.
    e) click on the button marked 'TCP/IP SETTINGS...'
    f) To speed syncing enter your computers subnet mask if
    known. ( TIP! running the command 'ipconfig /all' in DOS
    shows the subnet mask)

    ON YOUR TREO 300:

    I. Set up HOTSYNC for Network Mode!
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on MODEM SYNC PREFS
    you can also just press O
    D) choose NETWORK
    E) press OK

    II. Set up HOTSYNC for Lansync!
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on LANSYNC PREFS
    you can also just press L
    D) choose LANSYNC
    E) press OK

    III. Set up HOTSYNC to connect to your PC
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) Press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) Under HOTSYNC Options click on PRIMARY PC SETUP
    you can also just press P
    D) Under PRIMARY PC NAME:
    1) enter "!!"
    E) Under PRIMARY PC ADDRESS:
    1) enter your PC's IP address
    TIP! on windows 9x,ME,XP,2000 to get your address press
    START->then press->under OPEN: type COMMAND->
    and press OK. In the DOS box that opens type
    IPCONFIG. Your IP address is shown. type EXIT to get
    out of dos.
    F) Under SUBNET MASK (OPTIONAL) :
    1) enter your PC's Subnet Mask address
    TIP! on windows 9x,ME,XP,2000 to get your address press
    START->then press->under OPEN: type COMMAND->
    and press OK. In the DOS box that opens type
    IPCONFIG /ALL. Your Subnet Mask is shown.
    type EXIT to get out of dos.

    IV. Set up HOTSYNC for what you want to sync!
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on CONDUIT SETUP
    you can also just press D
    D) By default all your applications are checked
    E) You may wish to speed up syncing by unchecking apps you
    dont want synced.

    V. Set up HOTSYNC for the TREO's WIRELESS MODEM
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) press the settings button (the one with the blue home on it)
    C) under HOTSYNC Options click on CONNECTION SETUP
    you can also just press S
    D) By default WIRELESS MODEM is highlighted.
    If not click on WIRELESS MODEM.
    E) press DONE

    VI. Set up HOTSYNC for the SPRINT PCS VISION network
    A) If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B) select MODEM instead of local.
    C) under the icon of the phone and hotsync click on the
    dashed box. probably labeled select service.
    D) You are taken to the network preferences screen.
    E) Be sure the Service is listed as SPRINT-visionname01
    ( where visionname01 is probably your PCS VISION username)
    F) Choose done

    VII. SYNC YOUR HANDHELD WHILE YOUR IN FRONT OF YOUR PC
    A)If not in Hotsync app click on the hotsync icon
    B)Press the phone and hotsync logo to begin the sync.
    C) you will see the words "connecting with the desktop"
    D) you will see the works "identifying user..."
    E) On your desktop you may be prompted to select a User
    Name for this sync. Choose your username.

    If it works twice. Be confident it will work when you need it. Just have to keep your PC on!

    *ROUTER OWNERS OR REMOTE SYNCERS USING NAT OR
    FIREWALL:
    - Be sure to configure your firewall to open up TCP ports 14237 and UDP ports 14238. If you cant specify just choose 14237 and 14238.
    - Make sure that when you set the ip on your palm that you set it to the routers public ip not your local pc private ip by way of ipconfig.
    - If your using a domain name set your domain name to your routers public ip and and on palm enter domain name in host field and leave all others blank.
    - Be sure that all traffic to those ports goes to the ip of the LAN PC that is running HOT SYNC MANAGER.
    - Remember the IP address in step III part E has to be a WAN address not a private or internal LAN IP address, like 192.168.0.99
    - After a successful sync the ip address listed in PRIMARY PC SETUP may be replaced by the one in hotsync manager. Meaning if your hotsync manager is on an internal ip like 192.168.0.99 then your TREO's PRIMARY PC IP will be 192.168.0.99 and therefore need to be changed to a WAN address. I believe by making your PRIMARY PC NAME !! this won't happen.

    * OFFICE USERS
    REMEMBER TO CHECK WITH YOUR IT GALS/GUYS and/or SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR.

    *SECURITY MINDED USERS
    Network Syncing is not the most secure thing in the world. Read Security information on it at bugtraq or your favorite security watering hole.

    The writing above was taken from someone else's experience. Below is what I did at home to get it to work for me. Both versions are about the same. I just wanted to make sure I didn't forget anything.

    1) On your PC that has the hot sync app:
    Right click the Hot sync icon. For windows Computers should be located next to the time in the bottom right corner unless your start button has been moved. Don't know about Apple computers.
    Click on network.
    Right click hot sycn icon again. Should have a check mark next to network and local. Click on setup. Then click on network. Check which user will use hot sync. Then click TCP/IP settings.The following should come up. Primary PC name, Primary PC address, and Subnet Mask. If your using a dial up connection to connect to the internet you must first connect to the internet to get this informtion.
    2) On your Treo:
    In the main select Hot sync.Pull down the option menu and select Modem Sync Prefs.Select network. Hit ok. Go to options again select LanSync Prefs. Select Lansync. Hit ok. Go to options again select Primary PC address. Enter the information from the desktop computer. Hit ok. Go to options again select connection setup and select wireless modem. Hit done. For first time just hotsync one item. Go to options again and select conduit setup. De-select all items except one. Hit ok. Finally on the screen that has the hot sync icon make sure modem is highlight and the service you use to connect to the internet is select( under the hot sync icon).
    3) Your ready. Just hit the hot sync icon and it should connect.

    One more thing, if you have a router you have to open two ports on the router for this to work. You need to forward both TCP and UDP on ports 14237 AND 14238.

    Also, if you are using NAT, here's an undocumented tip: On the Treo, when you set the Primary PC settings, make the system name "!!" -- two exclamation points -- this will prevent the Treo from automatically changing the IP from the public IP of your gateway to the private IP on the PC.

    This should work for most people. I don't know about mac os computers. It may and it may not.
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    Perhaps mods can move this and stickey it in the hotsync forum?
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    Thanks for the info. I feel I'm close, but not quite able to do it yet. I think my problem is my router. It's a Linksys B router. I don't know a lot about fowarding the ports. I went into setup and clicked on fowarding and see several columns.
    The first reads Ext. Port and has two field boxes next to each other w/the word 'to' in the middle. Next to that are two boxes that read: Protocol TCP and Protocol UDP. You can only check/uncheck these boxes. Following that is the ip address field. All are 192.168.1.X (there are several lines and you can assign the 'X' to whatever number you like, I guess). Finally, there's an 'Enable' box to check.

    The first field is what I think may be hanging me up. It seems to assign a range of Ext. Ports since it is [BLANK] to [BLANK].

    Under all of this is a button that reads: UPnP Forwarding.
    I clicked on this and it gives a screen with another column of Ext. Ports. This time they're assigned to things like telnet, ftp, smtp, etc. There are a few open fields below for custom ones, it seems. I'm not sure if I need to enter and Ext. Port number. If I do, I have the option next to click on EITHER TCP or UDP protocol. Following that is where the Int. Port needs to be assigned. After that is the IP address assignment. Finally, there is another box that I can click to choose 'Enable'.

    I hope at least some of this makes sense to you as it does not to me. I know how to get the router to comm w/my pcs at home, but anything beyond that and I'm a total noob...

    Thanks a TON for any more help you can toss my way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink883
    Perhaps mods can move this and stickey it in the hotsync forum?
    I think this is a good idea, but I would like to see some more comments from 700p and 650 users to confirm that this method works for them...
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    I also have the linksys B Router.

    Go to applications and gaming  Then port range forwarding

    Under the Application write in “Hotsync”

    Under Start to put “14237”

    Under End out “14238”

    Under Protocol Select “Both”

    Under IP address put the address of your router.
    If you don’t know you can find it out by looking in your control panel under Network Connections, double click your Local Area Connection (or wireless adapter) and look under the support tab. It should tell you your IP address which may look like 192.168.1.100

    Make sure you check enable in the last box

    Click “Save Settings” at the bottom of the page.

    Make sure you not running any additional software firewalls like ZoneAlarm or you will have to configure them as well.

    These are the setting I use and they work great for me.

    This network hotsync is slow and will take some time, you make want to disable any conduits you don’t need to sync. You can do this on the treo. Go to the hotsync app click on Modem then go to options then conduit setup. Uncheck whatever you don’t want to sync. Personally I only sync memos, task, address, and calendar.
  8.    #8  
    Ok, the IP address at the end was my hangup. I fixed that and have now been in the process of syncing for the past 10 or so minutes. It's hung up on email. It has a mesg that reads "Backing Up MultiMail Messages". Seems a bit long. I synced it before I tried all this and my email was pretty much up to date. Anyway, it seems as though I'm on the right track, which makes me very happy.
    I'll edit this later if/when it finishes. Either way, it seems this method is a viable one for the 700 and warrants a sticky.

    Thanks again for the help!

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    P.S. About how long does your sync take?
    Last edited by breckbone; 06/10/2006 at 05:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by breckbone
    P.S. About how long does your sync take?
    I usually just sync Memo, tasks, address, and calendar; which only takes a couple of minutes. I don't remember how long a full sync takes since it has been a long time since I had done one.
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  10.    #10  
    I pared it down to about what you have and it always gets bogged down on a couple of things called "midataidcache" and "psysLaunchDB". I don't see these options in the conduit settings so I'm assuing they're something I need, but my sync time (and I did finally get it to sync completely) is at just under 12 minutes. This seems too long for what I want it to do. I think next I'll try just syncing the calander and add other things one at a time, but I would love to know what all those things extra things it's synving are...

    Anyway, thanks a lot for the help. I'm just glad that it works for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by breckbone
    I pared it down to about what you have and it always gets bogged down on a couple of things called "midataidcache" and "psysLaunchDB". I
    "midatiadcache" is a component of versamail and "psysLaunchDB" is the file that contains all the launcher category info and etc.

    http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBC...m_External2001

    Be careful not to screw up the psylaunchDB as it will totally fubar your Treo launcher category and prefs setup...
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    I have been syncing remotely using the method above with my 600 and now my 650 for several years. Works but VERY slow. Also, you can only have the ports forward to one desktop so, if you don't want to set up several hotsync profiles on that one computer, only one user can sync remotely.

    12 minutes is not unusual using this method. It is VERY slow. Go to the Hotsync application on your Treo then Options and Conduit Setup. Uncheck everything EXCEPT for Calendar, Contacts, Memos and Tasks (or whatever you use). I also sync SplashID. Remote syncing is not a time to backup all your databases. Remember, every time you add a new program, it defaults to being checked in the Conduit Setup. If you don't go back there and uncheck it, your remote Hotsync will take longer.

    Hope this helps.
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    Thanks for the info and the site. Very informative. Just wondering why the midatiadcache needs to be synced since I'm not syncing my mail? It just seems to sync a lot more than I actually want. I'm assuming that these absolutely need to be synced each time since I don't have the option not to, but say, for instance, that I didn't use Versamail, would it still sync midatiadcache?

    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunkmagic
    "midatiadcache" is a component of versamail and "psysLaunchDB" is the file that contains all the launcher category info and etc.

    http://kb.palm.com/SRVS/CGI-BIN/WEBC...m_External2001

    Be careful not to screw up the psylaunchDB as it will totally fubar your Treo launcher category and prefs setup...
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    Quote Originally Posted by breckbone
    Thanks for the info and the site. Very informative. Just wondering why the midatiadcache needs to be synced since I'm not syncing my mail? It just seems to sync a lot more than I actually want. I'm assuming that these absolutely need to be synced each time since I don't have the option not to, but say, for instance, that I didn't use Versamail, would it still sync midatiadcache?

    Thanks for the info.

    B-

    Try to disable the versmail conduit in your hostsync settings. That should stop midatiadcache from needing to sync. I use chatteremail myself and have thus always kept the versmail conduit as "do nothing" consequently...
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    Thanks for the hint. Unfortunately I don't know how to disable Versamail in the conduit other than by making sure it's not checked. It currently is not checked and it still syncs that file. Very strange.
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    Thanks for this thread! The sync does take a long while, despite my deselecting most of the conduits, but it works great.

    And I'm now able to use Windows Vista as my main OS. Its inability to recognize the Treo's USB connection was a major roadblock for me until now.
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    I have followed the instructions above and have gotten the remote hotsync to work (connecting to my home computer behind a router). However, it only works if I look up the home network current dynamic IP address (assigned by the DSL company) and put it manually into the IP address field on my 700P.

    However, it does not work when I try to enter in my personal dynamic DNS address into the 700P IP address field (http://xxxxx.is-a-geek.com). My dynamic DNS is updated with my current dynamic IP address and I cannot deteremine why it is not working. Has anyone actually gotten remote hotsyncing to work with a dynamic DNS address? I have seen rumors elsewhere that dynamic DNS remote hotsyncing just doesn't work and was wondering if this is true.
    Thanks,
    Frank
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    HotSync does not have a built-in name resolution function. You have to enter the IP manually.


    I'd like to second the motion for a sticky. I have been using the same method since the 300. I really don't use it much anymore, but it can be very, very helpful sometimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by ink883
    Under Start to put “14237”

    Under End out “14238”

    Under Protocol Select “Both”

    Just out of curiosity, can't you just use UDP over 14238 and not have to worry about 14237?


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    Any with a 700p noticed a shrink in the time it takes to sync via EVDO?
    ONE can be spelled as NEO.
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    I set this up on my Sprint 700p and it took 2 minutes and 45 seconds to sync the following over EVDO:

    Calendar
    Contacts
    Memos
    Tasks

    Even though I only picked those items on my Treo's conduit settings, it still tried to backup other programs on my Treo. It's probably due to the conduit settings on my PC side.

    NOTE 1: I also had problems using my hostname for my PC. My hostname is updated automatically with my dynamic IP using a free service like dyndns. I ended up having to put in my IP address and it worked fine after that.

    NOTE 2: If you are at your home PC at its behind a router, you can go to http://checkip.dyndns.org to determine your router's IP address.
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