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  1. #201  
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesgangut
    There is an updated date at the bottom of the post.
    I'm sorry, I didn't notice that.
    Because I have been just clickin the Link:
    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showp...&postcount=564
    Which doesn't give the revision date like it does when one goes to it in the context of the thread.
    Interesting
    Just call me Berd.
  2. #202  
    Quote Originally Posted by jorang
    I'll definately going to try Resco - BBVFS doesn't restore properly on my Treo. I'm using BBVFS v3.2.15 which should be the latest one...

    Thanks for the advice
    I use BBVFS 3.2.15, no problems worked great. Restored about 3 different times as I perfected my custom rom.
  3. #203  
    Worked great for me too.....
    I've heard that polar bear steaks are tough, but maybe if you marinated them in beer they'd turn out all right.
  4. #204  
    I have a Transend 4Gb 150x SD card and Treo 650 at hand now(Cingular locked,FW1.51, software 1.17-CNG, Hardware.A). I don't care to remove all files on my card (I backup it up), but I have absolute no idea about creating ROM and flashing ROM that stuff. If somebody can post a fat32.prc I can test if it works on 4G card.

    PS. I do understand once reset My treo650 won't recognize the card formatted in FAT32, thus, I guess I will just try it and must delete it&go back to my partitioned configurations as I used 4G card before.
  5. #205  
    You can build a custom ROM with fat32.prc in it, that way if you ever have to do a hard reset, the fat32.prc file is still in your Treo.
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    #206  
    ...then I want to know - what could be causing a reset loop whan I tried to restore.
    My basis was original ENA as from Palm - English

    Here is what I did:
    - Soft reset
    - Backing up using BBVFS - uncompressed Backup
    - Hotsync - Backup using BBWin
    - Flasing Treo with Cust 1.71/1.20 - incl FAT32.prc (jamesgangut's ROM with Real and Tut removed)

    OK result - no reset loop before restoring. Tried both BBVFS and BBWin.
    FATFS.prc was not in the backup set I restored from....
    JoranG
    Treo650 Unlocked GSM (Cust ROM 1.71/1.20 ENA w/ FAT32.prc) - TomTom Navigator v5 (Western Europe Maps)
  7. #207  
    Maybe it is a BackupBuddy thing. I used BackupMan and flashed mine several times last night and today testing ROMs and it was flawless.
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    #208  
    I just made a VZW ROM with 1.04 and removing Real Player, Downloads and Quicktour and updating to FAT32 (want to get rid of Wireless Sync too but it wasn't listed in Shadowmite's list). I checked with Filez and FAT32 is in the ROM now. Would me zipping the SD Card files I used and then anyone who wants it unzip into an empty SD card be an easy way to run this?
  9. #209  
    Quote Originally Posted by jorang
    ...then I want to know - what could be causing a reset loop whan I tried to restore.
    My basis was original ENA as from Palm - English

    Here is what I did:
    - Soft reset
    - Backing up using BBVFS - uncompressed Backup
    - Hotsync - Backup using BBWin
    - Flasing Treo with Cust 1.71/1.20 - incl FAT32.prc (jamesgangut's ROM with Real and Tut removed)

    OK result - no reset loop before restoring. Tried both BBVFS and BBWin.
    FATFS.prc was not in the backup set I restored from....

    You installed a custom ROM with the fat32.prc in it right? I don't think backups also make backups of files in ROM. If you installed a custom ROM with the fat32.prc in it, the fat32.prc should still be in your Treo after a hard reset.
  10. #210  
    Quote Originally Posted by CraniumFunk
    I've done some extended testing on the FAT32 driver against the 650's FAT16 driver using VFSMark & 2 SD cards. Results are pretty interesting. I have set them up as a matrix. Each configuration was run 3 times.



    ---------- MB Used/Total MB --- Before ---- After w/HR ---- After w/restore ---- SD@FAT32

    San Disk -- 80/512 ------ 452 ------- 771 ---------- 758 --------- 722
    ------------- " ---------- 420 ------- 770 ---------- 768 --------- 680
    ------------- " ---------- 428 ------- 893 ---------- 764 --------- 678

    Ultra II -- 800/1024 ----- 407 ------- 733 ---------- 697 --------- 717
    ------------- " ---------- 404 ------- 736 ---------- 631 --------- 643
    ------------- " ---------- 450 ------- 730 ---------- 703 --------- 702

    San Disk -- 0/512 ------- 397 ------- 783 ---------- 812 --------- 656
    ------------- " ---------- 450 ------- 786 ---------- 738 --------- 727
    ------------- " ---------- 450 ------- 775 ---------- 747 --------- 728

    Ultra II ---0/1024 ------- 472 ------- 978 ---------- 809 --------- 694
    ------------ " ----------- 384 ------- 741 ---------- 702 --------- 705
    ------------ " ----------- 378 ------- 743 ---------- 705 --------- 704



    Any way you slice it, FAT32 filesystem wins! Great job Shadowmite & team!

    Don't have a larger card, but might go pick one up. http://discussion.treocentral.com/im...ilies/cool.gif
    Continued to do some add'l testing on the FAT32 filesystem using Card Speed. It allows u to test different size reads & writes. Can be found at www.audiost.com

    San Disk is a regular 512 MB card with no data. Ultra II is the 1 GB faster card by San Disk with 500 MB of data.

    Tests were run several times each and the average results reported.


    --------------------- Write 32 bit ------ Write 8 Kb ------ Read 8Kb
    San Disk FAT32 -------- 38 B/s ---------- 51 KB/s -------- 2621 KB/s
    San Disk FAT16 -------- 40 B/s ------- 162-200 KB/s ----- 2621 KB/s
    Ultra II FAT32 --------- 119 B/s ---------- 27 KB/s ------- 2621 KB/s
    Ultra II FAT16 --------- 118 B/s ---------- 51 KB/s ------- 2621 KB/s



    The following test measures the speed to write 4 files @ 100KB each & 4096 Chunk size.

    ---------------------------- Write --------- Read --------- Overwrite
    San Disk FAT32 ----------- 35 KB/s ------ 2275 KB/s -------- 35 KB/s
    San Disk FAT16 --------- 55-90 KB/s ----- 2275 KB/s ----- 210-225 KB/s
    Ultra II FAT32 ------------ 13 KB/s ------- 2450 KB/s -------- 13 KB/s
    Ultra II FAT16 ------------ 45 KB/s ------- 2450 KB/s -------- 48 KB/s


    Results aren't very consistent, which leads me to believe the Treo's SD interface is not very stable from 1 result to the next. It appears that a clean formatted card tests MUCH FASTER than a card with data on it. When I add data to the San Disk, performance drops heavily & results are not consistent.
  11. #211  
    I second the vote for Resco Backup. Backupbuddy was always flaky for me, so I moved to Backupman, but after the first update from Sprint, Backupman would reset the phone mid-backup. Resco has been rock solid from the start.
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    #212  
    Quote Originally Posted by ricochet
    I second the vote for Resco Backup. Backupbuddy was always flaky for me, so I moved to Backupman, but after the first update from Sprint, Backupman would reset the phone mid-backup. Resco has been rock solid from the start.
    Resco Backup seems configurable and OK. Testing it now - has to get used to the interface which is quite different from BBVFS....
    JoranG
    Treo650 Unlocked GSM (Cust ROM 1.71/1.20 ENA w/ FAT32.prc) - TomTom Navigator v5 (Western Europe Maps)
  13. #213  
    Quote Originally Posted by jorang
    I'll definately going to try Resco - BBVFS doesn't restore properly on my Treo. I'm using BBVFS v3.2.15 which should be the latest one...

    Thanks for the advice
    I've used BBVFS from the earliest version to v3.2.15 with all my Customs, including changing the FAT32.prc today and have had zero problems. It always restores properly for me.
  14. #214  
    So if anyone gets their hands on a 4GB card, it should be able to be FAT16 or 32, right? I thought 4GB was the limit for FAT16, and beyond that you need 32.
  15. #215  
    Quote Originally Posted by Merlyn_3D
    So if anyone gets their hands on a 4GB card, it should be able to be FAT16 or 32, right? I thought 4GB was the limit for FAT16, and beyond that you need 32.

    I thought the same thing (I remember the limitation in NT4.0 and how win98 solved that problem)
  16. #216  
    I used to be loyal to backup buddy for the longest time until I got my Treo 650 when restoring was a pain..... full of errors. Resco Backup has been awesome with me. I have never had a problem.

    Al
  17. #217  
    Just loaded Jame's new Cust3 ROM with FAT32 and, using a stopwatch, I'm noticing significant speedups in launching apps from the card (via ZLauncher). Now takes about 75% of the time it used to... pTunes: 8 sec --> 6 sec, Planetarium: 4 sec --> 3 sec.

    Nice.
  18. #218  
    Was reading through some specs on FAT16 vs. FAT32. FAT16 is definetly limited to 2GB. FAT32 limit is 2TB.
    PalmIII > PalmIIIx > PalmIIIxe > TRGPro > Handera 330 > Zire71 > Treo600 > Treo650 > Treo680 > Treo750 > Centro > TreoPro > iPhone 32GB 3GS

  19. #219  
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesgangut
    Was reading through some specs on FAT16 vs. FAT32. FAT16 is definetly limited to 2GB. FAT32 limit is 2TB.
    Anybody see a good deal anywhere on a 2TB SD card? Anybody?
  20. #220  
    Fat 16 is good for 4GB on a PC but on a SD card fat16 is only good for 2gb...

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