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  1. #21  
    Clearly you have issues with the Treo. Consider a different device.

    Mine, and many others, work great. As has been stated OVER AND OVER again, you either have a defective unit or a software conflict causing your problems. If you have replaced your device multiple times and still have the same issues, then you either have incredibly bad luck or you keep reinstalling the same software which is causing a conflict. You can either choose to believe that...and find the problem...or you can keep complaining about how unstable the Treo is, despite that fact that many, many users are not having these issues.

    Honestly, I don't care if you invented the first computer. That has absolutely no bearing on your ability to use a specific device. IMHO, "power user" is one of the buzz words used by people who have a need to feel superior to others. Can someone be more experienced than someone else? Of course. Does my 20+ years experience using every computer I could lay my hands on make me a "Treo power user"? No. Does it make me a Treo expert? No. Does it even make me a computer expert? Not necessarily.

    Good luck.
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    #22  
    Well I am a 'Experienced' user that does not really consider myself to be a 'Power' user. I have had 4 Treo 650s, 1 was faulty, 1 got dropped & broke the screen, I am using the next one & my wife has one - after she dropped my old 600 & they had to replace it with a 650. The last 3 have been 100% stable both before & after the firmware upgrade.
    It seems that the old adage of people complain when things go wrong, but keep quiet when things go great is rife here as well.
    Palm must of sold millions of Treo's and how many complaints do we see here - maybe 30-40, so that is conservatively .00004% failure rate. I'm sure that they would be happy with a .05% failure rate so just get the hardware replaced & move on....

    BTW Aussie Joe, why to you have a Kiwi flag as your Avitar?
    Palm IIIx >- Treo 180 >- 270 >- 600 >- 650
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraOrdinaryJo
    Clearly you have issues with the Treo. Consider a different device.

    Mine, and many others, work great. As has been stated OVER AND OVER again, you either have a defective unit or a software conflict causing your problems. If you have replaced your device multiple times and still have the same issues, then you either have incredibly bad luck or you keep reinstalling the same software which is causing a conflict. You can either choose to believe that...and find the problem...or you can keep complaining about how unstable the Treo is, despite that fact that many, many users are not having these issues.

    Honestly, I don't care if you invented the first computer. That has absolutely no bearing on your ability to use a specific device. IMHO, "power user" is one of the buzz words used by people who have a need to feel superior to others. Can someone be more experienced than someone else? Of course. Does my 20+ years experience using every computer I could lay my hands on make me a "Treo power user"? No. Does it make me a Treo expert? No. Does it even make me a computer expert? Not necessarily.

    Good luck.
    Well said. That about sums it up.
  4.    #24  
    Resets and freezing... sound all too familiar? Might as well build in a frigin’ blue screen and Ctl Alt Del.

    Yes: unstable. I thank the few that offered useful advice. As for the rest... ahhh I digress. There are no clear issues unless you're a psychic.

    Power user... experienced user... potato... potatoe... I use the crap out of the phone and the basic software that came with it. I'm pretty certain that it's not the hardware although I could be wrong--and it wouldn't be a first unlike the ‘tard’ from St. Louis. Chances are that it's the software... yes the software. Unstable? Maybe my 20+ years computer experience and training allows me to make that distinction? Yeahyoubetcha!

    Isn't this forum a wonderful venue for the intellectual likes of ExtraOrdinaryJoe to rise above all others? IMAHOMO is more like it. Hey, did he really say that?

    Yeah baby!
    Last edited by Dogfart; 11/29/2005 at 06:14 PM.
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogfart
    Resets and freezing... sound all too familiar? Might as well build in a frigin’ blue screen and Ctl Alt Del.

    Yes: unstable. I thank the few that offered useful advice. As for the rest... ahhh I digress. There are no clear issues unless you're a psychic.

    Power user... experienced user... potato... potatoe... I use the crap out of the phone and the basic software that came with it. I'm pretty certain that it's not the hardware although I could be wrong--and it wouldn't be a first unlike the ‘tard’ from St. Louis. Chances are that it's the software... yes the software. Unstable? Maybe my 20+ years computer experience and training allows me to make that distinction? Yeahyoubetcha!

    Isn't this forum a wonderful venue for the intellectual likes of ExtraOrdinaryJoe to rise above all others?

    Yeah baby!
    Hello Dogfart!

    Mine does not reset or freeze. As stated, you either have a hardware problem or a software conflict. A clean install will tell you if it is hardware or software. If the problem persists after a clean install and no 3rd party software -- you probably have a hardware problem. If the problem starts after adding third party software -- you probably have a software conflict.

    Do a hot sync with your 650 to back up all data.
    Do a hard reset
    Do the clean install:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...=clean+install
    (Post #2)

    Add 3rd party software back one at a time, one day at a time, to see who the culprit is. . .

    Cheers, Perry.
    Last edited by gtwo; 11/29/2005 at 08:11 PM.
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogfart
    Resets and freezing... sound all too familiar? Might as well build in a frigin’ blue screen and Ctl Alt Del.

    Yes: unstable. I thank the few that offered useful advice. As for the rest... ahhh I digress. There are no clear issues unless you're a psychic.

    Power user... experienced user... potato... potatoe... I use the crap out of the phone and the basic software that came with it. I'm pretty certain that it's not the hardware although I could be wrong--and it wouldn't be a first unlike the ‘tard’ from St. Louis. Chances are that it's the software... yes the software. Unstable? Maybe my 20+ years computer experience and training allows me to make that distinction? Yeahyoubetcha!

    Isn't this forum a wonderful venue for the intellectual likes of ExtraOrdinaryJoe to rise above all others? IMAHOMO is more like it. Hey, did he really say that?

    Yeah baby!

    Hey ********, easy on the name calling. You might want to peruse the forum guidelines.

    I never claimed to be better than anyone, why don't you learn to read. Maybe then you'll see that you've been given your answers over and over again. Your 20+ years of experience must have been sitting in your mom's basement downloading porn. Get a clue, then sell your Treo. It's too complicated for you.
    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
    - Albert Einstein
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraOrdinaryJo
    Hey ********, easy on the name calling. You might want to peruse the forum guidelines.

    I never claimed to be better than anyone, why don't you learn to read. Maybe then you'll see that you've been given your answers over and over again. Your 20+ years of experience must have been sitting in your mom's basement downloading porn. Get a clue, then sell your Treo. It's too complicated for you.
    Better lighten up, before he releases his Power Potatoe on you.
    MaxiMunK.com The Forum That Asks, "Are You Not Entertained?"

    Remember: "Anyone that thinks the Treo should just work right out of the box, shouldn't own a Treo..."
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    Better lighten up, before he releases his Power Potatoe on you.

    I'm afraid, I'm very afraid.
    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
    - Albert Einstein
  9. #29  
    Forget the Treo problems... ask why Sprint's network is coming apart at the seams. Have any of you noticed the surge in Vision errors, network access failures, dropped calls and general mayhem ? In the last 4 months Sprint has gone to hell (and us with them !)
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by eclipse
    Forget the Treo problems... ask why Sprint's network is coming apart at the seams. Have any of you noticed the surge in Vision errors, network access failures, dropped calls and general mayhem ? In the last 4 months Sprint has gone to hell (and us with them !)
    No change in Grand Rapids, MI. If anything, my "bars" and connectivity have increased. Of course, my opinion is tainted. I am the eternally happy optimist.

    Cheers, Perry.
  11.    #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by ExtraOrdinaryJo
    Clearly you have issues with the Treo.

    ...as has been stated OVER AND OVER again… …you can either choose to believe that...and find the problem...or you can keep complaining about how unstable the Treo is…

    Honestly, I don't care if you invented the first computer. That has absolutely no bearing on your ability to use a specific device. IMHO, "power user" is one of the buzz words used by people who have a need to feel superior to others. Can someone be more experienced than someone else? Of course. Does my 20+ years experience using every computer I could lay my hands on make me a "Treo power user"? No. Does it make me a Treo expert? No. Does it even make me a computer expert? Not necessarily.

    Good luck.
    Tell me '********' have you perused the forums?

    Your windy responses only serve yourself. Take a deep breath, puff that chest out little boy, climb back up on that soapbox and pontificate for us again.



    It's tough typing with one hand in my mom's basement. Watch out Jo, I'm ready to release my power potatoe and it's pointed in your direction.
    I just want to thank everyone who made this day necessary.
  12. #32  
    Was that supposed to make any sense?
    "Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
    - Albert Einstein
  13.    #33  
    Yet another deft response...

    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
    Albert Einstein

    The surest way to make a monkey of a man is to quote him.
    Robert Benchley
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion
    WTF is a "power user"? Would I recognize one of you walking down the street? Do you dress up in colored spandex garb with matching helmets?
    Jesus, lots of time on your hands eh "insertion"?

    A power user is anyone who relies heavily on a piece of hardware/software.

    In the Treo 650's case: A POS

    The webster's definition for Treo 650 power user probably goes something like this: "Horribly disappointed really busy individual"

    I'll agree with you on one front... if you don't need the 650, it can be alot of fun.

    But that'd be it.

    freak'n pin headed monkey!
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by eclipse
    Forget the Treo problems... ask why Sprint's network is coming apart at the seams. Have any of you noticed the surge in Vision errors, network access failures, dropped calls and general mayhem ? In the last 4 months Sprint has gone to hell (and us with them !)
    Im in SoCal and haven't had any problems (except in some department stores but that was happening ever since I got the treo.)
    Palm III-->Palm IIIxe-->Palm 505-->Samsung i300-->Treo 600-->PPC 6600-->Treo 650-->Treo 700wx-->BB Pearl--> BB Curve

  16.    #36  
    Thanks TJ for your response.

    I haven't changed my opinion, I still think my Treo is unstable... and this is my second.

    Quite a few comments included in this thread are that some software might be causing my problems (which are basically freezes and resets). It's my opinion that applications shouldn't cause an OS (machine) to reset. By comparison, who would buy a Mac or a Windows, Red Hat based machine if word got out that the finicky POC kept rebooting?

    If Joe Blow off the street, with little or no computer experience, were to have experienced what I've gone through, they'd have boxed it up and taken it back.

    On the flip side, there's always the next patch to look forward to.


    My **** eating dog just licked your face.
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  17. #37  
    Hey, that's not a dog farting........
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogfart
    Thanks TJ for your response.

    I haven't changed my opinion, I still think my Treo is unstable... and this is my second.

    Quite a few comments included in this thread are that some software might be causing my problems (which are basically freezes and resets). It's my opinion that applications shouldn't cause an OS (machine) to reset. By comparison, who would buy a Mac or a Windows, Red Hat based machine if word got out that the finicky POC kept rebooting?

    If Joe Blow off the street, with little or no computer experience, were to have experienced what I've gone through, they'd have boxed it up and taken it back.

    On the flip side, there's always the next patch to look forward to.


    My **** eating dog just licked your face.

    Dogfart (interesting name),

    If the treo is unstable for you, it is probably b/c of something YOU did and something YOU installed that made it unstable. My Treo is quite stable and I assure you that you can call me a power user if there ever was one...

    The problem with posts like yours is that they have that "drive by" mentality which is quite annoying. If you have a problem, please give us specific examples which many in the community have probably encountered and probably have found many rememdies for. However, so far in this thread you have YET to list any specific problems and just keep repeating your complaints, and yet find it odd that others would criticise you?
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  19.    #39  
    Well, I've never been wrong before but there's always a first time. Seriously, the third party software that I have installed is Adobe Reader (useless), mRing and zLauncher. However, resets and freezes occured prior to these additions. I've exchanged the machine once and have performed a couple of fresh installs and it's still unstable. With that in mind, I would conclude that it's not something that "I" have done or am doing. Additionally, there's not one specific 'thing' that I do that causes it to crash.

    For the most part, my initial post was a drive by comment. My experience with the Treo has been problematic and frustrating. I wanted to read what others had to say...


    ...and let's just say that a few of those have been amusing.
    I just want to thank everyone who made this day necessary.
  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by Dogfart
    Well, I've never been wrong before but there's always a first time. Seriously, the third party software that I have installed is Adobe Reader (useless), mRing and zLauncher. However, resets and freezes occured prior to these additions. I've exchanged the machine once and have performed a couple of fresh installs and it's still unstable. With that in mind, I would conclude that it's not something that "I" have done or am doing. Additionally, there's not one specific 'thing' that I do that causes it to crash.

    For the most part, my initial post was a drive by comment. My experience with the Treo has been problematic and frustrating. I wanted to read what others had to say...


    ...and let's just say that a few of those have been amusing.
    Okay, please do the following then:

    List all the apps you have installed on your Treo
    List the carrier and firmware of your Treo (important b/c latest firmware fixes alot of bugs that should be resolved now)
    List the the reset error logs you have encounted
    Explain when and what you were doing when your Treo reset...

    I will admitt that there were many bugs in the 650 when it was released a year ago. But most of these bugs seem to have been resolved with the latest frimware from my experience...
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