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    I'd like to make more use of the side keys on my Treo 650. Ideally, I'd like to use the volume keys to scroll up/down a page of information (regardless of where the blue focus ring is) and the side button to switch to the previous application (so I can, for example, toggle between two apps by repeatedly pressing the side button). I can't stand the side-button delay thing, either.

    My searches have only turned up:
    1. VolumeRocker, which appears to do exactly what the 5-way navigator does (only worse; a single press registers as two clicks, ie press-in & release, so it's impossible to scroll one page)
    2. VolKeys, which is a step better than VolumeRocker but doesn't seem to work properly in the Tasks application (ie it acts just like the 5-way); a shame, because it's only really in the Tasks app that I want this functionality.

    I can't find anything that alters the behaviour of the side button.

    Any recommendations?

    -zoara-
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    Look at Butler. It doesn't change the side button (I don't think there is an app to do that; however, in the PalmOS Prefs Buttons section you can assign the side button to a particular app), but it enables the volume rocker to scroll, and has several other useful functions.
    Zane
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    With Butler, the side volume rocker can either scroll OR go to the next/previous application.

    You can use the side button to TOGGLE the operating mode of the rocker.

    This is almost as good as what you asked for.

    -Warr
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    Quote Originally Posted by wernst
    ...You can use the side button to TOGGLE the operating mode of the rocker...-Warr
    How do you do this? I looked around but didn't find a setting for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wernst
    With Butler, the side volume rocker can either scroll OR go to the next/previous application.

    You can use the side button to TOGGLE the operating mode of the rocker.

    This is almost as good as what you asked for.

    -Warr
    Heh, typical. I've already bought and registered Butler (think it was on the first day I had my Treo) for a couple of bits that I can't remember but now seem like 'normal functioning' for my Treo. Never thought to check whether I'd already actually paid for something that did what I wanted!

    However, as I seem determined to never be satisfied, I do have two gripes.

    One is that the volume control as scroller has the same deficiencies as I mentioned in my first post; it just acts like the up and down buttons on the 5-way. I want something that scrolls the view up and down regardless of where the focus ring is. After playing, it looks like VolKeys does this - compare 5-way up/down (shift focus) to volume up/down (scroll content) in apps like Messaging. It is let down because it just acts like the 5-way in apps like Tasks, but I think that's a flaw in Tasks itself (which doesn't seem as focus-ring aware as other apps). Annoying, because Tasks is the one app I find myself reaching for the stylus (or using a fingernail) because I've become 'trapped' and can't easily scroll up/down a page - it's the main reason I'm after a page-scroller!

    Two is that although the next/previous app function works as advertised, it's not really what I want. I want to flip between two apps and two apps only; with a choice of flipping 'forwards' and flipping 'backwards', I'll inevitably flip in the wrong direction (because I'm crap), so I end up doing down(oops)-up-up. By that point I may as well have held down the shortcut key for that app (hey, that's what I registered Butler for!) and gone straight there after a short pause. A 'toggle' between 'this app' and 'previous app' - without a dreaded pause - would be a thing of beauty for me, and it would make use of the side button which otherwise has (quite literally) no use whatsoever for me otherwise.

    I very much appreciate your and zvandiver's feedback though. It seems odd that the only function of that side button (even with third-party apps) is to invoke an app through press-and-hold (covered by Butler's "use shortcuts everywhere" function) or to confirm a volume change (why not just accept it without a 'confirmation'?).

    Oh, and did you mean that option and volume-down toggled between behaviours? I can't see how to get the side button to do it.

    -zoara-

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