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    #102  
    Quote Originally Posted by letsgoflyers81 View Post
    I'm shocked, but at the same time I'm not. I'm surprised they will pull a 180 like this...
    I've been trying to come up with what I think about this all day, but that sums it up nicely!

    ...but at the same time most people didn't get the Foleo. I can't see how it would have been a successful product, and maybe Palm finally came to that realization as well.
    The problem was it wasn't pocketable. When it was conceived I bet it was with a folding screen, which would give you the benefit of the screen size plus the ability to actually carry the thing but still keep your hands free. Once it became yet another sub-notebook, it was nothing special. The came the price, and the lack of computing power, which together doomed it.

    But we will be using things awfully like the original concept in 5 or so years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by septimus View Post
    good little artice
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    Tirk -

    I let myself belive it was a folding screen as well. Looking back, and thinking logically, that was just a silly notion. For Palm to be that agressive and prodcue a product that edgy, with technology still very new, was not resonabble. especially consdiering the shap of the OS. Of course, i drank the cool aid and hoped that's what it would be. even now i think - man, had they pulled that off, it would have set a new standard. The Iphone still would be hugh, but plam would be there to compete (in form factor at least)
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    #106  
    Quote Originally Posted by septimus View Post
    From the link...

    "It looks like the overnights are in and the results are good for Palm. Sure, it's a black eye, but a black eye is better than walking around with your pants down."

    LMAO over that one.
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  6. #107  
    Quote Originally Posted by taroliw View Post
    As I posted in reply to the Palm blog posting: HALLELUJAH! THANK YOU!

    This thing needed to die. Even if it is a good idea, the timing is wrong. Investors should be happy about this because it means that Palm is avoiding a huge distraction. Let them focus on the things they need to now and then worry about doing something of dubious value. But to put another half-baked product on the market on top of everything else would just kill them.

    What I would like to see Palm do
    • Get rid of Garnet
    • Come out with a really innovative convergence device
    • Kill Garnet
    • Finally put LInux where it belongs... IN A TREO
    • Kill Garnet
    • Bring us a really new device, and not yes-another-treo-650-on-plastic-surgery
    • Oh yeah.... KILL GARNET!!

    There, I feel better now. But although they waited way to long to realize the obvious, at least they have taken corrective action... and that makes me feel a little better about them for now. But heaven help them if Apple pulls it's head out of is posterior porthole and actually opens up a native SDK for the iPhone. Run, Palm... Run.
    Unfortunately, from the early shots of the Centro it looks like Garnett is alive and well. Who knows, if they hadn't wasted all that time and money of the Foleo, maybe they could have been closer to a replacement OS for Garnett.
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    That really it what it boils down too. If the time had been spent on a new OS (for the treo or for both the treo and foleo) and the OS been delivered, the foleo would not have been canceled. At least Palm realized where they should focus there efforts now.
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  8. #109  
    Quote Originally Posted by oalvarez View Post
    maybe they learned that it really wasn't going to be a big seller given its specs/price point. maybe they figured they couldn't compete in the micro-laptop market. maybe they decided not to chase it any further. maybe they should have done a bit more market research. while it might have saved them further development costs i'm sure this has been a costly experience and they really don't have chips to burn at this point.

    i was never in the buyer camp to begin with so i'm not surprised in the least. i hope they get it together with their phones but i've been saying that for some while now (so have many others).

    I have gone to the BB 8830, still want my Linux Treo but iIF THE LAG IS GONE ON THE CENTRO I MAY TRY TO LIMP ON USING IT UNTIL MY LINUX TREO MAKES IT APPEARANCE (miss my palm programs). Some people have said that Palm may have a surprise in store for us in Oct, the Linux Treo or was the surprise that they dropped the Foleo. Jeff H. is a smart guy but I do not know what he was drinking when he conceived the Foleo!
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    Stocks went up $0.16 after the announcement. Go figure.
  10. #111  
    Quote Originally Posted by CPL Radar View Post
    Stocks went up $0.16 after the announcement. Go figure.
    Of course, makes perfect sense. Cancelling the fooleo shows Palm's management aren't quite as stupid as they appeared a couple of days ago. OTOH cancelling it so late in the development cycle shows they are pretty stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunc View Post
    Palm has nothing up their sleeve. I had been a loyal Palm user since the Palm Pilot Professional - always pro Palm, touting their benefits, standing up to WM users... But I left my 680 behind and bought an iPhone. Last week (due to circumstances beyond my control) I was seperated from the iPhone for several days and was forced to go back to the 680. There is absolutely no comparison between the two platforms! It's like comparing my original Palm Pilot Pro to the 680 - night and day. Palm led the PDA, and later Smartphone market for years. Unfortunately, they didn't innovate or listen to their customers and its bitten them in the ****.

    Dunc
    You are right there is no comparison between the two plaforms except neither offers 3G. However not all the differences are in the iPhone''s favor.
    It has a great screen and web browser. It also has the best implementation of Google Maps I have seen on a mobile device.

    Unfortunately as a Treo replacement it is sadly lacking. The lack of hard keys or a replaceable battery are annoying but not show stoppers. The real show stoppers (for me at least) are:

    1) The obnoxious SIM locking which prevents me even using another AT&T sim much less a foreign pre-paid SIM. I was able to get my treo unlocked by just making a quick call to AT&T and it didn't void the warranty. I can buy an unlocked Treo for $400 from Palm.

    2) The email client is poor.

    3) The PIM software is poor to non-existant.

    4) I cannot install third party replacements for the PIM, email client or add any other 3rd Party apps.

    It is a great Ipod though. In fact if I didn't already own 5 IPods, I would buy the new phoneless IPhone.
  12. #113  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I suspect Jon Rubinstein played a big part in this decision. I hope Ben Combee shares some details on how the decision was made.

    If I were getting briefed on this, hearing that the Foleo was a completely different platform from the new Treo would have been a major wtf moment. Also, the lack of a PIM and an independent email app...
    OMG AMEN!!!

    Especially the 2 parts of the lack of PIM apps and the fact that based on Ed's post on the blog there are 2 different Linux kernels. WTF indeed!

    I was at the Foleo "preview" in NYC and I had a rather heated lengthly discussion on why they arent there. Plus... they said the $500 price point was what the market would hold? again another WTF?

    $500 for your "mobile companion" plus whatever you shelled out for your mobile device...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    You are right there is no comparison between the two plaforms except neither offers 3G. However not all the differences are in the iPhone''s favor.
    It has a great screen and web browser. It also has the best implementation of Google Maps I have seen on a mobile device.

    Unfortunately as a Treo replacement it is sadly lacking. The lack of hard keys or a replaceable battery are annoying but not show stoppers. The real show stoppers (for me at least) are:

    1) The obnoxious SIM locking which prevents me even using another AT&T sim much less a foreign pre-paid SIM. I was able to get my treo unlocked by just making a quick call to AT&T and it didn't void the warranty. I can buy an unlocked Treo for $400 from Palm.

    2) The email client is poor.

    3) The PIM software is poor to non-existant.

    4) I cannot install third party replacements for the PIM, email client or add any other 3rd Party apps.

    It is a great Ipod though. In fact if I didn't already own 5 IPods, I would buy the new phoneless IPhone.
    I agree with everything you said, except maybe the email client. It's not horrible, but could be better.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    I agree with everything you said, except maybe the email client. It's not horrible, but could be better.
    Perhaps I was a little harsh about the email client but I am used to Chattermail and Blackberry email.
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    Well of course they are stronger. I just think iPhone's isn't horrible, but I don't think it can do push email. I think it polls for email. I just manually check, so I can't speak in great detail about the pulling feature, but another poster said forget using it with Yahoo.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    Perhaps I was a little harsh about the email client but I am used to Chattermail and Blackberry email.
    No, you weren't too harsh. That email client is less functional than some good webmail implmentations I've seen. It needs enhancement or replacement. It's worse than Versamail for heaven's sake!
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    I'm relieved by this announcement. I really thought this might do it in for Palm, good to know they got out before it cost them the company. What's a $10M charge anyway?



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    Quote Originally Posted by taroliw View Post
    No, you weren't too harsh. That email client is less functional than some good webmail implmentations I've seen. It needs enhancement or replacement. It's worse than Versamail for heaven's sake!
    I got all my email without the machine crashing. I consider it acceptable. Sure it needs enhancement. I have to use it more to give a full review though.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    2) The email client is poor.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    I got all my email without the machine crashing. I consider it acceptable. Sure it needs enhancement.
    These two statements don't seem a million miles apart to me. I'm not sure what the argument is.
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