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    Time to face the facts that the foleo is a 1st or 2nd gen (lifedrive) product that is meant to be a new type of laptop in 5 years. Hawkins' hope is that developers get on board and make the platform feasible. They hope to replace the MSFT laptop in about 5 years with a newer, different personal computer model. The flash based instant on system that is "simple" to use.

    As hawkins says the link to treo is just to get a few people to buy it, then it becomes its own platform and breaks free from the treo.
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    I think that's exactly right. Getting the developer community (both Palm and Linux) focused on the Foleo will make or break it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I think that's exactly right. Getting the developer community (both Palm and Linux) focused on the Foleo will make or break it.
    Unfortunately (or maybe not), Palm doesn't have 3 or 4 years....
    Luminary? You've got to be kidding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haggar View Post
    Unfortunately (or maybe not), Palm doesn't have 3 or 4 years....
    Please, enough of the "Palm is dead" dead horse. They've had 14 consecutive profitable quarters. When they have two or more consecutive quarters of losses, you might have an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ballistic View Post
    Please, enough of the "Palm is dead" dead horse. They've had 14 consecutive profitable quarters. When they have two or more consecutive quarters of losses, you might have an argument.
    Just because a company isn't losing money doesn't mean its not doomed. They are becoming a relatively much smaller company to the rest of the market each and every year. If nothing else, it would make sense for MS to just buy them and s-can them to rid themselves of the competition or commandeer the Treo brand. The Treo brand is really the ONLY thing Palm has left and each iteration of the device lowers the value of that brand!
    Luminary? You've got to be kidding!
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    I agree, Palm doesn't have 3 or 4 years at this rate. Plus, expecting Palm to develop this piece of junk to something useful in that period of time given their track record is ridiculous. What exactly have they "developed" in the past 3-4 years? Their desktop software has been left to rot, and they haven't innovated in any way shape or form in any of their products...

    If this is supposed to be a "new (viable) type of laptop" in five years, a real company will have one on the market in one... Game over.
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    Exactly. Why should Lenovo or Apple let Palm take away their margins and market share (if this device was successful in any way). They would release a better device and the same price, with brand cachet, and kill the Foleo.

    As other people have said, the future of the Foleo is a sub-notebook, and there are plenty of competitors there already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    Exactly. Why should Lenovo or Apple let Palm take away their margins and market share (if this device was successful in any way). They would release a better device and the same price, with brand cachet, and kill the Foleo.

    As other people have said, the future of the Foleo is a sub-notebook, and there are plenty of competitors there already.

    Surur
    1. No company will be eager to cannibalize its own sales with a low-margin product.
    2. The existence of competition doesn't mean Palm can't succeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    1. No company will be eager to cannibalize its own sales with a low-margin product.
    You forget that these same companies are already making UMPC's of the same size, and larger laptops for the same price. If the market really wants this they would have much larger margins than Palm.

    Surur
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    You forget that these same companies are already making UMPC's of the same size, and larger laptops for the same price. If the market really wants this they would have much larger margins than Palm.
    Aha! But they don't have software compatible binaries!
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    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    You forget that these same companies are already making UMPC's of the same size, and larger laptops for the same price. If the market really wants this they would have much larger margins than Palm.

    Surur
    Apple doesn't make UMPCs or larger laptops for the same price. I don't think Lenovo makes UMPCs.

    You're essentially arguing that small companies can't compete with larger companies. That's true for commodity products (such as Windows computers), but there's opportunity when you can differentiate your product. Apple is a great example of that.

    It would have been dumb for Palm to take on the larger players head-on. Instead they're going around them with a differentiated product. Even if Palm has great success with the Foleo, it'll be a small player in the larger PC market, and larger players won't go out of their way to push their own customers to buy lower margin products unless they have to.
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    One element key to the ultimate success or failure of Foleo is how much future PC-type computing is Internet based. This slimmed down design makes a lot of sense when you look at Google products, location-based apps, and others of that ilk (http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh....php?t=144429). If there is a market of server-based applications with light front-ends, Palm could be in a good position. Why have sub-notebooks and UMPCs running bloated operating systems (and requiring the expensive hardware to run them) if things move towards "light" client-side apps?

    Foleo is kind of a new paradigm and like someone above said, they don't need to sell millions of the gen 1 version, just get enough developers to buy into the idea. With a Linux OS in this device and future Treos, there could be big incentive for developers. It would appear that Palm is smart in not alienating its existing developer based by making Garnett apps backwards compatible (we have to see how well that is done). If the Linux platform is easy to port to then Palm doesn't have to court a new developer base.
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    Please, enough of the "Palm is dead" dead horse.
    The point here is not that Palm cannot crash & burn. The point is that this has been the constant mantra tainting every civil and helpful discussion since the late 90s. It aint happened yet, but maybe it will by September. Who could ever know.

    The point it is that if you want to fill good discussion space with more "Palm is dead" blather, then go start another thread somewhere and have at it. We already know your story and we can check in over there whenever we need a good dose of pessimism.

    Now, can we move forward here? ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigdts View Post
    Time to face the facts that the foleo is a 1st or 2nd gen (lifedrive) product that is meant to be a new type of laptop in 5 years. Hawkins' hope is that developers get on board and make the platform feasible. They hope to replace the MSFT laptop in about 5 years with a newer, different personal computer model. The flash based instant on system that is "simple" to use.

    As hawkins says the link to treo is just to get a few people to buy it, then it becomes its own platform and breaks free from the treo.
    I agree with this 100%... there is a small problem with Palm's thinking though...

    Yes, it is the future of computing. Yes, people want small easy to use laptops and the tech isnt there yet. Yes, the treo came out when there were no other smartphones and they had that vision.

    In less than a month Apple is going to come out with a UI that will blow Palm's vision out of the water in terms of smartphone usability.

    In less than 5 years Apple will blow Palm out of the water again in über portable laptops that are fully featured and do not need treo companions, and will run a full fledged version of os x.
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    "Foleo meant to be a laptop replacement in 3-4 years"

    My LG Phenom Ultra was supposed to be the laptop replacement, heck all handheld pc's were supposed to be the laptop replacement, why will it do what others failed to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by areyouwishing View Post
    In less than 5 years Apple will blow Palm out of the water again in über portable laptops that are fully featured and do not need treo companions, and will run a full fledged version of os x.
    Sony already is going that way with there UX series of computers:
    http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154


    Seeing as how Sony is one of the worst pc makers ever, it shouldn't be long for Apple to do the same thing and get it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPL Radar View Post
    Sony already is going that way with there UX series of computers:
    http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...tegoryId=16154


    Seeing as how Sony is one of the worst pc makers ever, it shouldn't be long for Apple to do the same thing and get it right.
    The only real concern for the existing ultra-portables is price.

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