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  1. #201  
    My god.

    I just bought palm's stock yesterday. Guess what? The capital loss is enough for next 3 years tax report.
    Treo 750 unbranded T-mobile, HTC WIZARD 8125 T-MOBILE (broken), Treo 650 T-mobile 1.43/1.14 OS 5.4.8 Garnet (sold).
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    #202  
    When the treo 600 came out i saw the pictures and said "wow I have to have one" Back then Palm was on top of their game. Today i see the foleo and I do not get the same feeling. I look at the foleo and it looks, acts, and smells like a laptop. So why not just use my laptop? with the treo connected via bluetooth? I cant see any need for this product.

    I would have been ape if palm released a treo with the memory of a lifedrive with a high-res screen the latest and greatest OS and wi-fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midmofan View Post
    This device is not for Treo users.
    I tend to agree, but I would include all smartphone users. I also with those saying that the technology that people want in a larger screen device is not available at a decent price point. The screen on an e-mail device doesn't have to be this big.

    This is not revolutionary.
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    I think that there is a market for a device like this. I'm just not sure that they've done it in the most efficient way. And to be honest, didn't Psion do the same thing 15 years ago with the Psion 3a?!?

    I carry around a laptop and a treo. I currently do ONE thing with my laptop: connect to my treo, VPN into work and remote desktop to my office machine.

    If a device like this could remote desktop to a windows PC, then you could persuade a good number of business users to forgo the entire laptop for what could essentially be a dumb terminal, 2007 style.

    At the risk of upsetting PalmOS fanatics, Treo fanatics and Mac fanatics in one go, I think that Microsoft could partner with somebody to make the next killer device - the device that the Foleo wishes it was:

    * network ready (possibly 3G ready).
    * full size device (large keyboard and screen).
    * Solid state storage for offline usage.
    * Cut down OS, but full support for Microsoft Office (not the cut down crap they put on PocketPCs).
    * Dynamic synchronization technology found in Microsoft OneNote / Groove
    * Support for remote desktop.
    * Media player support just for the hell of it.

    If people are networked 90%+ of the time, there is little need for the power or storage that most laptops currently have.

    Steve
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    Looks like I will stick with my plan to purchase an UMPC around Sept/Oct 2008 based on the intel "Menlow" platform with WiFi, Bluetooth, and at least an 80gb harddrive. Also by then Sprint should have there WinMax network up and running.

    The only question left is what type of card slots it will have?
  6. #206  
    Vander - You (and others) make the startling assumption that Palm created this instead of a phone; very odd.

    Marc
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    #207  
    The only way this would be appealing to me is if it had some type of docking slot where a thin, touchscreen based Treo that is no larger than a SLVR would slide in and out. This way the wireless radio would be "built-in" to the Foleo but I could also eject the Treo part and still have a traditional smartphone with me while my Foleo is in my bag while it still also has the bluetooth connection kick in.
  8. #208  
    Quote Originally Posted by calebu2 View Post
    I think that there is a market for a device like this. I'm just not sure that they've done it in the most efficient way. And to be honest, didn't Psion do the same thing 15 years ago with the Psion 3a?!?

    I carry around a laptop and a treo. I currently do ONE thing with my laptop: connect to my treo, VPN into work and remote desktop to my office machine.

    If a device like this could remote desktop to a windows PC, then you could persuade a good number of business users to forgo the entire laptop for what could essentially be a dumb terminal, 2007 style.

    At the risk of upsetting PalmOS fanatics, Treo fanatics and Mac fanatics in one go, I think that Microsoft could partner with somebody to make the next killer device - the device that the Foleo wishes it was:

    * network ready (possibly 3G ready).
    * full size device (large keyboard and screen).
    * Solid state storage for offline usage.
    * Cut down OS, but full support for Microsoft Office (not the cut down crap they put on PocketPCs).
    * Dynamic synchronization technology found in Microsoft OneNote / Groove
    * Support for remote desktop.
    * Media player support just for the hell of it.

    If people are networked 90%+ of the time, there is little need for the power or storage that most laptops currently have.

    Steve
    Except for people like me who wants to carry there complete music library with them and read lots of ebooks.
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    hey Marc....no I never said that...what Im saying is that there is a whole body of us that have waited for an update to our smartphones...but instead of responding to the most loyal of customers they offhandedly come out with an entire new class of products...this just means that any updates to their smartphones will be postponed well into the future and that's why Im disappointed in them...
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    #210  
    I'm going to un-officially dub it...the Fooleo!
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  11. #211  
    It took Hawkins five years to develop this?

    I'll just hang on to my Fujitsu tablet. Thank you.
  12. #212  
    Quote Originally Posted by calebu2 View Post
    I think that there is a market for a device like this. I'm just not sure that they've done it in the most efficient way. And to be honest, didn't Psion do the same thing 15 years ago with the Psion 3a?!?

    I carry around a laptop and a treo. I currently do ONE thing with my laptop: connect to my treo, VPN into work and remote desktop to my office machine.

    If a device like this could remote desktop to a windows PC, then you could persuade a good number of business users to forgo the entire laptop for what could essentially be a dumb terminal, 2007 style.

    At the risk of upsetting PalmOS fanatics, Treo fanatics and Mac fanatics in one go, I think that Microsoft could partner with somebody to make the next killer device - the device that the Foleo wishes it was:

    * network ready (possibly 3G ready).
    * full size device (large keyboard and screen).
    * Solid state storage for offline usage.
    * Cut down OS, but full support for Microsoft Office (not the cut down crap they put on PocketPCs).
    * Dynamic synchronization technology found in Microsoft OneNote / Groove
    * Support for remote desktop.
    * Media player support just for the hell of it.

    If people are networked 90%+ of the time, there is little need for the power or storage that most laptops currently have.

    Steve
    not so because it won't help me much on an airplane. While a terminal is appealing, it always requires a _good_ connection to run citrix/remote desktop etc. and without it, it does strictly nothing.
  13. #213  
    No, Vander, this is a completely separate thing; no impact on smartphones, etc. What keeps updates from coming quickly are mainly carrier approval issues (up to four months in some cases!)

    Marc
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    Quote Originally Posted by midmofan View Post
    This device is not for Treo users.
    If this is not for Treo users, why is it pictured next to one on their website? It sure seems that they are marketing it to Treo users...
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    At first blush, I agreee with many that this thing is WAY under reaching. Yes, I know we all have a wish list which generally stated is "smaller & faster"

    However, this is a double edged sword. What is small for my pocket, is generelly hard to read and hard to work with for many. Conversely, data storage, screens and battery power take up a lot of space and weight. How do you mesh the two...that is what we are all really talking about, with a treo or any other device.

    Palm has made the observation that we are all transitioning to network based computing. Commercial business is increasingly using terminal servers rather than stand alone PCs. Is this not what we are really seeing here on a more personal level?

    As I see this, the Foleo becomes a terminal, the treo is the communicator, and the web (via whatever connection, wifi, EDGE, GPRS, 3G etc.) is the access to OUR personal networks. Let's face it, each of us uses the Treo very differently...do we really want a device that specifies how we do it...or one that allows us to determine how WE use it.

    By having the two devices coupled with a system of servers (whether at palm, your ISP, your corporate network, or your home PC) you can do just about anything. Add to it that between a treo and the Foleo, you can have two processors and you may be on to something

    The Million dollar question is....is this it?
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    #216  
    On the demo on Palm's site, there was a menu tab for terminal. Anyone know what this will do? Considering the Foleo doesn't have the power to play Youtube clips can this be expected to be used to control a remote desktop?
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    Am I the only one who is watching the webcast and is actually getting excited about this thing.

    I can already see Google writing apps for it that link to their email calendar and other apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chatter View Post
    Vander - You (and others) make the startling assumption that Palm created this instead of a phone; very odd.

    Marc
    Marc, with all due respect, and I have an immense amount of respect for you, this foleo is going nowhere. If palm could only create hardware that matched the quality of YOUR software program chattermail, they`d be a monstrous success. Unfortunately they arent following your lead. This thing is just a redesigned sony vaio, and monumentally disappointing. I highly doubt this will fly off the shelves.
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    #219  
    Marc - Im a verizon customer and so am stuck right now with the 700wx...a phone which is basically 2 years old..it continues to fail me...it takes several attempts to sync it with my pc, bluetooth drops almost daily, clearly I may have a lemon unit, but following the forum as i do, there is a myriad of folks that are frustrated with the current state of Palm products...so how does this device fix those errors!

    I know new devices are just "around the corner" but I guess at this point...Im just tired of waiting any longer
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    It seems that this device relies on someone have unlimited web access, which is a separate plan on smart phones. Many treo users already have laptops. This is just a smaller pc that will drain the battery in your smart phone more quickly. This is a niche market but wouldn't is serve the same purpose as getting a fuji or toshiba slim notebook? And I can see this catered towards the corporate world, but how many corporation will actually purchase this for their employees. I think palm dropped the bucket, and lets hope they have something else down the pipe. By the way where's the 700p update, the week is almost done.

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