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  1. #41  
    robangel, grndslm is a communist and proud of it. That should help you understand.

    While some of us say "evil empire" in jest, some others are serious about it.
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by darnell
    robangel, grndslm is a communist and proud of it. That should help you understand.

    While some of us say "evil empire" in jest, some others are serious about it.
    Umm...how can one be a communist while they live in a capitalist environment. I'm a capitalist....I'm forced to be, I have no choice in what economic system I live in. Sure I promote communism, but only if the conditions are right. I've found that I'm more of a technocrat than a communist...but whatever.

    I'd consider myself more of a socialist as you clearly couldn't jump from one economic system to another with ease.

    And that's neither here nor there.....what does that have to do with big businesses stifling innovation and small businesses doing all the innovating??

    Why do we not have cars that get 100+MPG by now?? Oh wait, it's because oil companies bought up the patents for those 100MPH carburetors! When the average person could have been saving money and the environment...those on top decided to prevent that from happening.

    When we could all have desktops/laptops/smartphones by now with free and open source code....Bill is fighting as hard as he can to ignore anything OS software has to offer humankind. If he gave away his code and spent half of the money he has purely on the code and not marketing....we'd have the best operating system we could possibly get. But he wouldn't do that would he?? Because he's selfish/afraid. I'm waiting to hear/see information that proves otherwise. Oh and sure, he might donate a little bit of his money, but all things considered it's a tiny proportion.

    The people on top just delay the inevitable....
    Last edited by grndslm; 08/03/2005 at 04:48 PM.
  3. #43  
    I approve generally of Apple, Microsoft and Palm among others. One of the beautiful things about capitalism is that you can take the initiative and ideas of others, and do better with them than they can, through your own hard work and smarts. As long as its done legally I am all for it.
  4. #44  
    robangel - This is where the circular debate begins. But now you 2 understand each other .
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    Please forward all circular debates with him to this thread.

    I just wanted to get to the bottom of it here so we can continue with discussion of technology and not economic systems.

    He already knows most folks here don't agree with his view of things, but lets keep that debate isolated in that "other" thread .
  6. #46  
    [QUOTE=grndslm]That was an NVFS issue. I believe that all carriers have now addressed this problem. I've got Sprint, so this hasn't been an issue for a long time now. It's not that snappy to slide the keyboard out and then dial a contact. With the treo I hit the green button twice and instantly press my contact's initials....like JB for Jeff Black. Then hit send. I seriously doubt that it could get any easier than that....but I'm waiting to be corrected.[quote]

    Bzzt .. I also have sprint and the latest bios .. the problem still exists And its not my phone you have just gotten accustomed to it. It got moderatly better with the first patch but it is still a horribly slow dialing application. From the phone screen to the now dialing screen is a good 10s, and from that screen to the "ring" is another 10-15s horribly slow. And you haven't used an i730 you dont have to snap out the keyboard to do anything, you can dial from your contact list, dial via voice etc without snapping out the bottom. Onlly if you need to manually enter a number do you need to pop out the keyboard which is pretty rare and extremely easy to do anyway.

    I can hear my callers just fine. But for the elderly, Jeff Gibson has released a program called VolumeCare for $10 that enables you to adjust the microphone and all speakers to acceptable volume levels. Sure it should have been included with the phone, but decent 5-way support should have been included with PPC phones, now shouldn't it??
    Again i'm not comparing paid apps against built in performance The treo's volume is the worst of ANY phone I have ever used in my entire life, maxed volume is supposed to be LOUD not barely audible. And again I dont know what you are talking about 5 way, the i730 5 way at least performs flawlessly. It has never missed a direction or input, what more do you want ?

    [quote]
    If you want a call recorder....you can get one for free on the 650. SoundRec will record calls whenever you put it on speakerphone or use Seidio's 2-in-1 hybrid adapters, or the 2-in-1 headsets. Clearly it's less than ideal when you're just talking on the headset but it's perfectly possible for free. The speakerphone option is more than acceptable, tho, for recording a phone number. Heck, when I want to write down a phone number tho, I don't use a pen....I never use a pen anymore. I've gotta friggin' thumbboard/keypad on my phone. I just open up MemoPad and type away. I'm more of a visual person than a verbal person, so YMMV.[/quote[ Oh great now I have to buy hardware to meet the built in functionality of the i730. Whenever I dispute all the treo features I dont mention "well yea if you turn the i730 upside down, install this software and pull it out of your arse it will do that to !". I never use a pen on my i730 either .. whats your point ? Oh yea .. the features the treo doesnt have.

    A larger screen doesn't mean it could fit any more information on there. I've got a 10" laptop....that has a zoom button on the side of the screen to switch from 1280x768 to 800x600. Which resolution do you thing shows more information???
    Look the screen is a non issue, the treo has 25% more pixles (not 33% and in a non standard format i might add) but the i730 has 75% more screen area. YES you can fit more text on the i730 screen then on the treo screen. If the screens were close to the same size the treo would of course win, but they are not.

    As for your resets...I'd suggest you use Crash Pro for a bit to find out what causes them.
    I think you need to read the treocentral forums more often .. your 3 crashes a month is in the SEVERE minority of treo users, the last poll i saw averaged 4-5 crashes/ WEEK i will find the link for you if you like. My sprint treo has NO added software NONE not buttler nothing and it still crashes once a day, usually when i hit the green phone button to make a phone call. Your treo may be the exception to the rule but Treo's are not inherintly stable even without outside applications.

    As for the bluetooth headset issue...I could imagine voice dialing from the headset being very useful. However, I think bluetooth headsets are a waste of money, but clearly that's my personal preference. If I were on the phone 24/7 and used it as a business tool...I'm sure I'd have a different response to that. But I'll stick with a hands-free solution in the car and posibly a 2-in-1 hybrid after awhile.
    Even with your situation it would be a benefit , being able to have voice dial work over BT is a huge benefit and if youd like i can point you to several threads that are over 10 pages on this very forum with people clamoring for it .. so just give in and conceed the point.

    BTW...voice dialing from the bluetooth headset is possible if you pay for your carrier's voice dialing option. Clearly it's expensive with a recurring fee of $5/mo....but, it's possible just to let you know. I could be mistaken, but I think I even read another way of getting voice dialing to work....but yea, I was prolly misreadin' it!
    Yep you misread it there is NO way to do voice dialing with the tree via BT headset. And the carrier solution is a non option besides the fee its a real pain in the *** to setup and maintain not at all like VS.

    I named almost 10 things above that puts the i730 under the 650 in my books. Maybe you should take a look at them....those really are important features to the majority of people who want a cellphone, even more considering it's an expensive smartphone.
    Uh where ? With the exception of single handed use the 650 doesnt have a single edge over the 730 (oh and the crappy camera)? Whereas the 730 has a ton of features the 650 doesnt .. Bigger screen, BT dialing, more ram/rom, faster, more built in apps, call recorder, much better volume, faster dialing, i mean come on .. The treo is a great device but the i730 has so much more to offer that you are forced to go with 3rd party apps to meet even part of its feature set.

    I wouldn't even use WiFi to begin with, so this wouldn't concern me. I'm typically around a desktop/laptop when at home/school/wherever....I'd much rather browse the web with a large screen and keyboard than that phone. When I use the internet on this phone, it's when I'm stranded and don't have an address/directions, a phone number, when I'm in isolation, or whatever it may be. I'm sure that some people NEED wifi on a handheld/smartphone...and those people will HAVE to get PPC or an overpriced Palm handheld. But the number of people who NEED wifi are pretty small....so, you're stuck with PPC for now.
    I concur with you on this i personally dont care about the wifi support .. but how many people are there clamoring for it in these very forums ? It is just another of the features the i730 offers that the 650 does not even after a year of release and updates.
  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Bzzt .. I also have sprint and the latest bios .. the problem still exists And its not my phone you have just gotten accustomed to it. It got moderatly better with the first patch but it is still a horribly slow dialing application. From the phone screen to the now dialing screen is a good 10s, and from that screen to the "ring" is another 10-15s horribly slow
    Wow, that is a long time and if that delay were on my 650, I would have returned it in a heartbeat, that would have been a dealbreaker for me as well. I value phone use first and foremost in any smartphone I get and a problem like that, phone wouldn't last more than 48 hours with me before I returned it. Even with the intial Sprint 650 I got when they were first released, the delay was never that bad, 3-6 seconds max which by no means is acceptable. Now with the 1.12 firmware, delay is 1-2 seconds max from when I tell it to dial, quite acceptable in my book. I think your 650 may have been a lemon...
  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Bzzt .. I also have sprint and the latest bios .. the problem still exists And its not my phone you have just gotten accustomed to it. It got moderatly better with the first patch but it is still a horribly slow dialing application. From the phone screen to the now dialing screen is a good 10s, and from that screen to the "ring" is another 10-15s horribly slow. And you haven't used an i730 you dont have to snap out the keyboard to do anything, you can dial from your contact list, dial via voice etc without snapping out the bottom. Onlly if you need to manually enter a number do you need to pop out the keyboard which is pretty rare and extremely easy to do anyway.
    Yup...you've definitely got somethin' wrong with your Treo. Try hard reseting it with the 1.12 ROM and make sure it's still not like that. If it is, you've definitely got a lemon. Like Martin said, I experienced 6-8 sec of calling delay at worst and now there's always a 1 sec delay...occasionally it's 2 sec.

    You're right I haven't used an i730...but I'm going to go ahead and imagine that if I didn't pull out the keyboard I'd have to select the person's name by pressing DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN 'til I'm queasy and directionless. Sure I could use voice dialing, but I'm not really a big fan....doesn't work 100% of the time. Once I'm in the dialing application, all I have to do is press 2 letters and I'm usually there. I don't even have to move to the contacts page, I can do it straight from the dialing screen. I seriously doubt you could initiate a call faster than I could.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Again i'm not comparing paid apps against built in performance The treo's volume is the worst of ANY phone I have ever used in my entire life, maxed volume is supposed to be LOUD not barely audible. And again I dont know what you are talking about 5 way, the i730 5 way at least performs flawlessly. It has never missed a direction or input, what more do you want?
    Well....you should compare paid apps to builtin performance because I don't usually pay for apps unless I need. Like I said...the volume is more than acceptable to me, a lotta times I have to put it at 2 levels less than max because it's too loud for my ears. But again, I'm young, so this prolly helps a lil bit...dunno though. If you NEED volume/profilecare...buy it and quit ya yappin'. I completely agree that VolumeCare shouldn't be necessary, why would Palm set the max allowable volume level to anything other than the max volume level?? Couldn't answer that exactly, but the great thing about Palm products is that there's a very large and active developer group that answers the needs of the very large userbase. I'm MORE than happy with the support I get...even if it's not from Palm.

    You already conceeded on the 5-way issue, give it up. Unless it runs WM5...I'm not believing anything about non-Palm phones having better 5-way support.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Oh great now I have to buy hardware to meet the built in functionality of the i730. Whenever I dispute all the treo features I dont mention "well yea if you turn the i730 upside down, install this software and pull it out of your arse it will do that to !". I never use a pen on my i730 either .. whats your point ?
    You don't need to buy the 2-in-1...but it'd be a good idea anyway. I'da bought one by now had I not already bought the L-shaped adapter for the 600. Instead of the 2-in-1, you could put your calls on speakerphone which you do have....it's more comparable to pressing buttons on the i730 to get the voice recorder to work than to pulling the phone outta your arse.

    Anyway, do you know if call recording is legal in your state without the other person's permission? Why would you need to record calls anyway? Most people who complain about this act like they're going to record every single call....wav files are too big to be recording anything of any decent length.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Look the screen is a non issue, the treo has 25% more pixles (not 33% and in a non standard format i might add) but the i730 has 75% more screen area. YES you can fit more text on the i730 screen then on the treo screen. If the screens were close to the same size the treo would of course win, but they are not.
    Umm....no, more pixels means more possible text. You can't fit more pixels on the 650 as of now because there aren't fonts that go that small. And there's clearly a reason for that...people don't want small text. If you want distorted text/pictures, take an i730. This is clearly a personal issue. I happen to side with Palm once again in that I don't want a portrait screen...and I want greater pixel density.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    I think you need to read the treocentral forums more often .. your 3 crashes a month is in the SEVERE minority of treo users, the last poll i saw averaged 4-5 crashes/ WEEK i will find the link for you if you like. My sprint treo has NO added software NONE not buttler nothing and it still crashes once a day, usually when i hit the green phone button to make a phone call. Your treo may be the exception to the rule but Treo's are not inherintly stable even without outside applications.
    I read TC quite often...thanks for the recommendation, tho.

    And I checked out the reset poll, here it is: http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ght=poll+reset. Looks to me like I'm in the MAJORITY of treo users. However, it looks to me as if I voted for the 1-5 option for some reason. Perhaps I had mistaken day for month. Because I can tell you right now I do not reset my device more than 15 days a week...that's for sure. Either those people are running buggy applications or they were mistaken as me. A "how many resets a month" thread would seem better/easier to gauge the truth to me.

    And you are MOST DEFINITELY incorrect in saying that the Treo resets with nothing but the ROM and it's automatically created dbs. You definitely have a lemon, homie.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Even with your situation it would be a benefit , being able to have voice dial work over BT is a huge benefit and if youd like i can point you to several threads that are over 10 pages on this very forum with people clamoring for it .. so just give in and conceed the point.
    Naw man, I'm good. If you actually pointed it me to threads and/or had the decency to format your posts correctly...what the heck would I with my spare time at 4am??

    But, like I said if I used my phone as a business tool and were constantly talking, I'd prolly get a bluetooth headset because cords aren't cool to have hanging around appendages for sure...but for now, which is the only situation I can react to...I don't need no stinkin' bluetooth for headsets/handsfree solutions. I'll stick with my wires so that it doesn't clog up my bluetooth 1.1 bandwidth. Yea, my phone has bluetooth 1.1, I recognized that as a limitation in some sense, and I worked around it. Bluetooth 1.1 is still awesome to me for reasons such as DUN, Network Access, GPS, etc....and it'd be kickass to use the Treo as a headset for a Skype call on my laptop/desktop, but I don't think that's happening anytime soon.

    But I can voicedial from my carkit....but I won't do it anyway because all I have to do is press 3-4 buttons at the max and it's dialing.

    When I decide on the right pair of headphones/earbuds, I'll be ordering the 2-in-1 hybrid adapter for sure because it's just plain when my options are headset with full functionality or bluetooth 1.1 headset capable of nothing but calls. I don't understand why people pick the latter if they don't spend 50% or more of their day talking on the Treo.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Yep you misread it there is NO way to do voice dialing with the tree via BT headset. And the carrier solution is a non option besides the fee its a real pain in the *** to setup and maintain not at all like VS.
    Umm...I just gave you a solution, and you're going to tell me that it isn't an option?? That's just silly. It is an option for some, I've heard plenty of people talk about it. But it's clearly not my option, and apparently not yours either.

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Uh where? With the exception of single handed use the 650 doesnt have a single edge over the 730 (oh and the crappy camera)? Whereas the 730 has a ton of features the 650 doesnt .. Bigger screen, BT dialing, more ram/rom, faster, more built in apps, call recorder, much better volume, faster dialing, i mean come on .. The treo is a great device but the i730 has so much more to offer that you are forced to go with 3rd party apps to meet even part of its feature set.
    What do you mean, um where? I said "above" didn't I? Post 5 from this thread. To summarize: battery life, form factor, screen, camera, userbase, price, tons of free and quality apps available for the 650...just to name a few.

    Those are just a few more important features to me than EV-DO which is only available in a few select markets. There will be an EV-DO Treo when the timing is right...do you think it would have made good business sense to include EV-DO radios in the 650 when barely any markets, if any, at all had EV-DO available? What about in the near future when the next Treo comes out...do you think they're gonna put UMTS chips in there when EDGE JUST got off the ground. Lemme help you answer it, "Nope!" They're gonna wait 'til it's a lil widespread before they spend uber dinero on a UMTS chipset for EACH phone when 95% of the GSM users won't use it do to location/pricing. It's about TIMING, my man!

    What else do you have over the Treo? Umm....WiFi? Hmm...so, when the 670/700 comes out, what are you going to have over it then? I'm guessing just WiFi, but I could be wrong....you could possibly have nothing over it (but I still think you'll have WiFi).

    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    I concur with you on this i personally dont care about the wifi support .. but how many people are there clamoring for it in these very forums? It is just another of the features the i730 offers that the 650 does not even after a year of release and updates.
    Umm...yea people are clamoring for WiFi. People in general when put in large groups will say virtually anything and everything. Heck, I'm clamoring for built-in GPS. Why the heck do all these phone companies make you buy a $250 bluetooth GPS kit if you wanna find out where you are? Well, let's think....it's because they're trying to make a profit. They're not trying to become your best friend...however, those two things SHOULD go hand in hand....they usually don't though, because people in this society tend to put money before doing the right/best thing. It's sad but we've got to accept it until we decide to change it.

    Anyway....some people may need to have EV-DO and/or WiFi for the next 3 or 4 months and not have an option. But the smart people who have an option are going to wait until the Treo has EV-DO and/or WiFi because a 6th generation device would be A LOT nicer than a first generation that's been out for 4 or 5 months.
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    Well I pulled the trigger and bought a i730 and switched to Verizon. Incidentally, all my GSM 650 stuff is up for auction at eBay. Here is a link:

    eBay listing Treo 650; Vaja T66 Case and More

    Is is the i730 than the Treo 650? Like most things the answer depends on what you use it for. I am a heavy data user so it figured big in my decision. From this long time Palm user the answer is yes. Here is my take:

    (A) Wireless data connections. The i730 wins this one no contest - a landslide. EVDO data is amazing. I see speeds in the NYC area averaging 300-500 kps. I even get great data speeds on my train ride to work. Incredible. The i730 also has WiFi which I really need in my converged device.

    (B) Form factor. This one is even. Size-wize they are nearly identical. The Treo screen is a brighter and a bit sharper but not as big. I like the slide out keyboard on the i730 but some might prefer the fixed pad on the Treo. Both designs have their pluses and minuses. The i730 doesn't have a camera which might be a deal breaker for some (lots of rumors about a camera version - the prototype had one so I wouldn't be surprised)

    (C) Operating System. Advantage i730. WM2003 has grown on me and I love the ability to multi-task. I am hoping for an upgrade to WM5.0 (the i730 has the proper hardware but Verizon is mute on the upgrade). The only thing I miss here is the one-handedness of the Treo. Very few applications can be navigated without the stylus in WM. Palm needs to upgrade their OS.

    (D) Battery Life. Advantage Treo in a romp. The i730 sucks battery life when using data connections. The included exteneded battery is a must. The Treo has outstanding battery life - considering how powerful the device, and how bright the screen, it is pretty phenomenol.

    If the Treo had EVDO and WiFi the race would be closer but at this time it doesn't.
    Obviously the i730 isn't for everyone. EVDO is limited to certain areas and this isn't the phone if you want to use it overseas.
    Last edited by cec; 08/18/2005 at 12:04 PM.
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    cec,

    Which programs to you find hard to navigate without the stylus on the i730? I go for a couple days at a time without using the stylus (or my finger - that's cheating ... mostly). Maybe we can swap notes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    Could anybody tell me how information is stored in this device while you remove the battery?? Is it NVFS? Another internal battery? Wha??
    Pocket PCs use a replaceable little cell battery for backup. It will keep the unit alive for a couple weeks...maybe longer....after the main battery is completely dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe
    cec,

    Which programs to you find hard to navigate without the stylus on the i730? I go for a couple days at a time without using the stylus (or my finger - that's cheating ... mostly). Maybe we can swap notes.
    Netfront 3.2. I prefer it over pocket IE. Overall it is a great browser that handles most of the websites I like. Blazer is has great support for the 5-way button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riekl
    Look the screen is a non issue, the treo has 25% more pixles (not 33% and in a non standard format i might add) but the i730 has 75% more screen area. YES you can fit more text on the i730 screen then on the treo screen. If the screens were close to the same size the treo would of course win, but they are not.
    You might want to check your math. The Treo does indeed have 33% more pixels. 320 x 320 = 102,400 against 240 x 320 = 76,800.

    I agree that the standard dimensions of the i730 screen are much better for PPC programs and the ablitiy to switch from portrait and landscape gives the user more flexibility.

    The Treo screen definitely does have superior resolution and is considerably brighter (a bit too bright in my opinion).

    Ideally the i730 would have a VGA screen but that would require more processing power and more battery drain. As it stands the screen is more than adequate for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cec
    Well I pulled the trigger and bought a i730 and switched to Verizon. Incidentally, all my GSM 650 stuff is up for auction at eBay. Here is a link:

    eBay listing Treo 650; Vaja T66 Case and More

    .
    Very nice ad, cec, and it looks like you're about to make a nice sale.

    How would you compare the keys, the typing? Also, how is the mail functionality, which is my primary need? If you've already covered it here, just tell me and I'll look for it. Thanks.
    You may be right; I may be crazy. But, the Treo may be just the device I've been looking for.
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    My wife & I shared 2000 anytime minutes and unlimited data & email on two Treo 650's for $85 per month.

    What is the lowest price for the same service using the i730? What provider?
    FastFrank
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    I had 2 of the i730's and hated both of them. They both rebooted at different times when I downloaded my e-mail. Battery life was horible on them. Reception wasn't that good. Heavy, etc. I have since moved over to the Treo650 and have no complaints. Yes it's rebooted a couple times out of the blue but at least it boots up faster and seems to more stable overall.
  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by audit
    I had 2 of the i730's and hated both of them. They both rebooted at different times when I downloaded my e-mail. Battery life was horible on them. Reception wasn't that good. Heavy, etc. I have since moved over to the Treo650 and have no complaints. Yes it's rebooted a couple times out of the blue but at least it boots up faster and seems to more stable overall.
    So let me get this straight. You hate the i730 because it's 0.2 ounces heavier than the Treo and doesn't boot up quite as fast as the Treo after the Treo crashes. Excellent comparison. Oh, I forgot battery life - that must be it.
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    There's more then that, besides the constant reboots when just sitting on my desk, all the dropped calls that I had and people that work in my department had, lack of coverage and it's not a carrier issue because our Blackberry's and Treo's got a signal and calls where the i730 just would never connect. We got these for our entire IT department because it would allow us to manage our citrix servers in case of an emergency but after testing them for a month, half of us decided that it's not worth the hassle.
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    Boy, Grndslm.....you seem really anti WM devices and very strong Treo. That is fine, but the point is when comparing any phone against another, a huge majority of any pros or cons are based on personal needs. For example having a larger screen that offers landscape for reading spreadsheets or webpages could be a larger advantage for some than a higher resolution with a smaller screen. Having 128 mbs of mem might be a necessary feature where others are able to get by with only 32 mb of internal memory. It is often more productive to explain the pros and cons of each feature so the end user can get an honest assessment of the devices and determine which device is right for them....which is ultimately the bottom line.

    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    You're right I haven't used an i730...but I'm going to go ahead and imagine that if I didn't pull out the keyboard I'd have to select the person's name by pressing DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN, DOWN 'til I'm queasy and directionless. Sure I could use voice dialing, but I'm not really a big fan....doesn't work 100% of the time. Once I'm in the dialing application, all I have to do is press 2 letters and I'm usually there. I don't even have to move to the contacts page, I can do it straight from the dialing screen. I seriously doubt you could initiate a call faster than I could.
    There is a great Today Screen utility called Breeze Contacts for on $4 that, minus VC, it is by far the fastest way to make a call I have seen with a large Contact list. It is faster than my Treo, than WM contact, or any other factory installed app or 3rd party app I have ever seen and used......and I have been around block several times on both the palm and WM side. And all this with no stylus, 5 way Nav, Hardware Buttons, or keyboard.

    Those are just a few more important features to me than EV-DO which is only available in a few select markets. There will be an EV-DO Treo when the timing is right...do you think it would have made good business sense to include EV-DO radios in the 650 when barely any markets, if any, at all had EV-DO available? What about in the near future when the next Treo comes out...do you think they're gonna put UMTS chips in there when EDGE JUST got off the ground. Lemme help you answer it, "Nope!" They're gonna wait 'til it's a lil widespread before they spend uber dinero on a UMTS chipset for EACH phone when 95% of the GSM users won't use it do to location/pricing. It's about TIMING, my man!
    Browse the forums of the phones, like the PPC-6660, that have EVDO and you will be VERY surprised how many of both Verizon and Sprint areas currently have EVDO coverage and have had it for several months now. Sprint will be releasing an EVDO update for all the PPC-6600 phones to enable them now that their network is well into their roll out. I see this a clear advantage to having to wait for the Next Gen Treo and hoping to see if Palm will include it and waiting for it to finally be released. By that time I would could have been enjoying my EVDO for over 6 months.

    Anyway....some people may need to have EV-DO and/or WiFi for the next 3 or 4 months and not have an option. But the smart people who have an option are going to wait until the Treo has EV-DO and/or WiFi because a 6th generation device would be A LOT nicer than a first generation that's been out for 4 or 5 months.
    Because someone like me who's job requires a lot of time on the road does not make me not smart because I need it now. If my job requires I have connectivity, then I am going to the use device that offered the foresight enough to give me connectivity in any given situation I may be in. It could make the difference in my job and in a great deal of money for my company. I am not going to risk both on the hope that the next Treo might offer it months down the road and that is will work without any bugs right out of the shute.


    Again the bottom line is each phone out there has pros that may be mandatory for some (i.e. landscape, 128 mb of internal memory, EVDO for large file transfer, smaller screen with higher res for compact and more detailed viewing, etc..) And they have cons that may be necessary for them to have for their needs ( too big, not right OS for their needed programs, not haveing Wifi or EVDO, not enough internal memory, ect..) None is bad or necessarily better than another, just better suited for different users in different situations.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 09/02/2005 at 03:49 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by audit
    We got these for our entire IT department because it would allow us to manage our citrix servers in case of an emergency but after testing them for a month, half of us decided that it's not worth the hassle.
    What influenced the other half to keep theirs?
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