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    #21  
    Ins Gadget is correct and Darnell, your state is probably a one-party consent law (you consent.) In most instances, calls might be recorded *only* for quality control purposes.
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by slinky
    Darnell, your state is probably a one-party consent law (you consent.)
    Exactly. As long as I know I'm recording my call it's legal .

    And I've had it work the other way too, where I was recorded without knowing. Just makes you watch your mouth is all .

    When dealing with business affairs a recorder can be a VERY valuable tool!

    All these issues of recording, WiFi and the like all depend on what we do on a daily basis. Me, I'm working with businesses and going into various WiFi Spots all the time. So my needs are different from someone else that may do something different in their day.
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by Insp_Gadget
    This depends on the state and only if the call takes place completely within one state (intra-state). Some states only require one-party consent (that is as long as one of the people in the conversation consents to the recording it's okay). Other states require two-party consent (one person has to ask the other if it's okay to record).

    The federal law only requires one-party consent. But federal jurisdiction only applies if the call crosses state lines.
    Interesting.

    I'm curious as to how the government expects people to know all the laws like this before they break them. Is there some kinda free database online where I can get access to every law written (all states and federal)?? Like a free LexusNexis? I don't see how the government can hold you to something they never really told you about.
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    As the saying goes, Ignorance of the Law is no Excuse.

    Laws like these don't require the government to tell anyone a thing. Anyone wanting to record calls needs to take it upon themselves to know the laws involved in their own actions.

    You can always call your representatives' offices and they usually will respond to questions about laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    I don't see how the government can hold you to something they never really told you about.
    It's mostly a policy argument as to why. If the government had to tell every single citizen about every law before they could be held liable for breaking it...imagine the repercussions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t2gungho
    It's mostly a policy argument as to why. If the government had to tell every single citizen about every law before they could be held liable for breaking it...imagine the repercussions.
    I could definitely imagine that pre-AOL times....but we should have a database on the net where the average Joe can educate himself on the laws that he's paying for.
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    You can always go to the Library of Congress in DC and read every one of the current federal laws. Then head to your state capital and I'm sure you can find some place there with all the current laws for your state. Then head to your town's City Hall to do the same. Then if your city is part of a county you can then do the same at some county building.

    If you make it through reading them all you'll probably be the world's oldest living person. Cause it will probably take you more than a lifetime . And considering all the new laws made while you were reading you would have to pass this task on to your children and their children .

    They won't put it all online because the cost would be simply massive. Maybe in about another 50 years.

    For current Congressional session federal laws: http://thomas.loc.gov
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    Here you go - the laws of the United States and the great state of Mississippi:

    United States Code
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/toc.html

    Mississippi Code
    http://198.187.128.12/mississippi/lp...s-main.htm&2.0
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    That's not all of the laws. Not even close.

    Things like the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 are not even listed.

    And lets not even start with the Tax Code (which is not listed there either) . Maybe it's all on IRS.gov, but who can remember the whole thing to tell ?
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    It's all there.

    The tax code is Title 26. It's there.

    Can Spam will be at Title 18 Section 1037. It hasn't been added yet.
    Last edited by jstpa; 07/29/2005 at 03:45 PM.
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    I've seen this page before but was never certain it would have everything.

    Are you a lawyer jstpa?

    Good luck to anyone that reads it all and does not do it as part of their job .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jstpa
    Here you go - the laws of the United States and the great state of Mississippi:

    United States Code
    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/toc.html

    Mississippi Code
    http://198.187.128.12/mississippi/lp...s-main.htm&2.0
    Heh...thanks for the links, jstpa. Will be sure to let my [future] children know they exist. I knew I've used LexisNexus for MS code before, just couldn't find it from their home page.

    Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darnell
    I've seen this page before but was never certain it would have everything.

    Are you a lawyer jstpa?

    Good luck to anyone that reads it all and does not do it as part of their job .
    Actually, you're right to be suspicious, Darnell. I looked for the CanSPam section in the findlaw link and it wasn't there, but it was in Westlaw. Cornell also has a link to the US Code. It wasn't there either. Since the US Code is an official code, you get government type speeds in updates - I think they supplement the code once for each session of Congress and issue a new one every five years. The private services are much faster - they supplement as legislation comes out.

    For the most part, you'll find most law in the codes. But not everything. For example, the CanSpam law you cited actually did have stuff that doesn't appear to have made it to the Code. I was frankly surprised at that. Most of the time, at least in my experience, laws go into the Code, especially if they provide criminal penalties. As Grndslm suggested, people should have notice of what's illegal and what's not. Putting things in the Code does provide at least some notice. But there seemed to be some proscriptions in CanSpam that did not go into the Code.

    One thing that does not go into the Codes is true common law. For that, you've got to go into the court cases for each state.

    Also, the codes don't have interpretative case law or regulations promulgated by regulatory authorities, like the FAA, FCC, IRS, etc. But strictly speaking, these things aren't law. Case law is an interpretation of law. Regulations also are for the most part interpretations.

    I am a lawyer. At least, I've convinced several people of it (fools). And now, like a good lawyer, I will put in my disclaimer. Some or all of the preceding may be wrong.
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    Well I figured you had to be doing this in some form as your job to have such knowledge of it . Because unless someone is paid to do it most of us don't have enough incentive to read much of the US Code .

    If the US Code were sold on an SD Card it would be a very low seller . If they gave it away on an SD card for free there would be few takers .

    We have notice of the laws in US Code and other available resources, but most of us will never have enough time in our lives to read it all .

    The regulations and case law is all adjustable depending on if you can find the right Federal judge(s) .
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    Quote Originally Posted by darnell
    If the US Code were sold on an SD Card it would be a very low seller . If they gave it away on an SD card for free there would be few takers .
    Comical...but true nonetheless.
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    Not to stay on topic or anything (wink) but I don't care for the looks of this thing. Here is my list:

    1. Screen is a deal killer. I just don't see myself going backwards. 320 X 320 is my minimum now.

    2. Sure it's got more memory, but don't all MS products because of the OS? I'd like more RAM like everyone else, but my SD card works fine for real storage.

    3. WIFI would def. be a plus, but who's to say that this thing is even going to make it out?

    4. I LOVE the key board on my 650, it is TOO bright at times. A huge step up from the 600. From the pics, I'd have to see more to make a good call.

    All in all, I think for me, the only thing that will take my 650 out of my hands is a new Palm, bugs and all. But last I checked, any smartphone will have quirks, as will anything with a true OS (have you run Windows XP?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    All in all, I think for me, the only thing that will take my 650 out of my hands is a new Palm, bugs and all. But last I checked, any smartphone will have quirks, as will anything with a true OS (have you run Windows XP?).
    I think the only company to take a Palm outta my hands would be HTC. Have you seen their new Apache?? It's supposed to have WM5 and the hardware specs are virtually perfect (although I'd prefer a lil' more battery life and a clamshell myself, but whateva...it'll get here sooner or later).

    As for the Win XP comment....you can't really compare it to Palm Garnet because Garnet resets when an application has a hiccup. You'd compare Garnet to Win 95/98...and Cobalt/PalmLinux and all PPC/WM OSes to Win XP or Linux, even, in terms of stability of running buggy programs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grndslm
    I think the only company to take a Palm outta my hands would be HTC. Have you seen their new Apache?? It's supposed to have WM5 and the hardware specs are virtually perfect (although I'd prefer a lil' more battery life and a clamshell myself, but whateva...it'll get here sooner or later).

    As for the Win XP comment....you can't really compare it to Palm Garnet because Garnet resets when an application has a hiccup. You'd compare Garnet to Win 95/98...and Cobalt/PalmLinux and all PPC/WM OSes to Win XP or Linux, even, in terms of stability of running buggy programs.

    True. And, yes, I have seen it and I am intrigued, though if you have a T650 now, you already have an HTC product
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    Not to stay on topic or anything (wink) but I don't care for the looks of this thing.
    Sorry.

    It seems to me that this thing is meant to be a blackberry killer, not a treo killer. No touch screen, I don't think.

    It seems to me that the competition for the Treo is the full featured pocket PC phone with a touchscreen, like the i730. I have an i730, but it has a lot of design flaws that my old Treo didn't.

    BTW, wapswap.com looks interesting.
    Last edited by jstpa; 07/31/2005 at 08:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboy650
    True. And, yes, I have seen it and I am intrigued, though if you have a T650 now, you already have an HTC product
    Yea...I know!

    But HTC didn't design the Treo!! I want a phone that they design, and considering that all they do is design and build phones....I'll prolly be using one that they design sooner or later.
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