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  1.    #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    LOL. now youre going to hide behind mods. Cute. All you did in "first official nail" was attack people.
    Actually, someone else apparently called them in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    I know what supposition means. Thats why I used it. I was making a guess based on what I have seen and read. I in no way said it was the definitive answer. At least I dont act like I have "complete evidence". For as smart as you think you are you cannot get the point that youre guessing too. You dont have all the evidence on EAS either. And please dont say you do.
    Actually, all I did was post some news.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Why? because I am right? There are people that dont use the kb on their treo. If P1 left off every feature that someone didnt use what would we have?
    Actually, because I was laughing too hard...

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    But I bet you looked at the specs somewhere else. That was my point.
    Actually, I did look at the specs--in detail. Guess what the specs say? That's right, they DO mention Exchange Activesync! Not to overstep my bounds here, but I *think* your point when you said, "EAS isnt even mention on the box so how would most even know its on their." Was that PalmOne doesn't even market the feature. Not surprisingly, some of would disagree with your supposition: Take a look at PalmOne's website promotion of Exchange Activesync.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Maybe a simple analogy will get through. I think Cadillac was the first automaker to offer climate controlled heat/ac in their cars (maybe they werent but someone was). Now I know there are many manufacturers that offer it now. Lots of different brands and models have climate control. Did Cadillac go out of business? Nope. Did they stop making a model because of someone else's climate control. Nope.
    Actually, it was Packard; not Cadillac. I think they went out of business. In fact, it's a pretty appropriate analogy: Check it out...

    QUOTE: "As for Chevrolet ruining Packard, it seems difficult for me to follow that logic. Packard's buyers didn't care about Chevrolet and probably wouldn't even acknowledge that the "lowly" brand existed. Chevrolet (as well as the rest of GM) had started a styling war in the 1940s and 1950s, but CADILLAC should be put more at blame for the intense competition in the styling department. Packard's problem wasn't Chevrolet, it was small size of the company compared to the giants of GM, Ford, and Chrysler who provided the closest competition to one of the last independent US brands. (emphasis added)"

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    You getting any of this?
    Oh yeah, getting it.
  2. #42  
    Quote Originally Posted by barky81
    Actually, someone else apparently called them in.
    No, they read these threads too. No calling is needed.



    Actually, all I did was post some news.
    Hardly. A link to a story is news. You posted your extended opinion on the news.



    Actually, because I was laughing too hard...
    that people dont use their treo to all its glory is funny to you?



    Actually, I did look at the specs--in detail. Guess what the specs say? That's right, they DO mention Exchange Activesync! Not to overstep my bounds here, but I *think* your point when you said, "EAS isnt even mention on the box so how would most even know its on their." Was that PalmOne doesn't even market the feature. Not surprisingly, some of would disagree with your supposition: Take a look at PalmOne's website promotion of Exchange Activesync.
    Who cares!?!?! Lots of people bought the treo for other reasons. Active Sync is not the top of the list no matter how much you want it to be. Did you see any post about EAS when the new treo was announced? Doubt it they were all about the scren the kb, bt and the battery.



    Actually, it was Packard; not Cadillac. I think they went out of business. In fact, it's a pretty appropriate analogy: Check it out...

    QUOTE: "As for Chevrolet ruining Packard, it seems difficult for me to follow that logic. Packard's buyers didn't care about Chevrolet and probably wouldn't even acknowledge that the "lowly" brand existed. Chevrolet (as well as the rest of GM) had started a styling war in the 1940s and 1950s, but CADILLAC should be put more at blame for the intense competition in the styling department. Packard's problem wasn't Chevrolet, it was small size of the company compared to the giants of GM, Ford, and Chrysler who provided the closest competition to one of the last independent US brands. (emphasis added)"
    Like talking to a stump. Point was Climate Control didnt kill the Packard.



    Oh yeah, getting it.
    No youre not.
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Careful, thats pretty much supposition. THAT will get you in all kinds of trouble here.
    Woof, Darnell? Careful! You are being set up for personal attacks "the sequel".

    Non-corporate consumers just wanna see what this "thing" can do by way of playing movies, mp3, internet options and fly phone capabilities. We all came up watching James Bond and we seek to have that "all in one device" that does it so well!! Corporate types like the flexibility of the Treo but may bemoan the lack of a solid blackberry-like push and sync ability, but whatever!!! The treo is an evolving child that leaves room for innovation especially when predicated on a Linux kernal running say Cobalt 6!!! Get it???? My point being that the PalmOS won't stagnate but will push the envelope of creativity to increase its' market share with the help of Treocentralists.. in our infinite informed gripes and boundless wisdom.
    The Sony PSP, Sidekick and Nokia Ngage are touted before us types but we just smile for they can't do commerce and make moves like we can achieve. We can sync accordingly because there are many developers out there that can come on board and tweak what we think may be a palm1 short-sight. Open-source babY!! No time for cynics! Either with us or against...


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    Holy freak! Why does this guy make you so mad, or at the very least cause you to react, Woof, Darnell? He made some good points, you made some good points, why can't you two converse like normal technology-savvy professionals? Why get personal?
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    Is P1 giving out free SD cards at the funeral? :P
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    And for those of you that believe Palm is not targeting corporate customers check this out:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=79967

    I believe they are, in fact, very much so. This device was talered for business professionals. Which, for most, instant access to PIM data is very important.

    Staying "connected" is paramount and a plays a large role in an organization's or individual's success. EAS is just one of the emerging, more cost-effective, ways to accomplish this. Is PalmOne marketing the Treo and EAS to business professionals? Absolutely! They must make up a significant portion of the market. Why else would PalmOne travel all over the country/world touting the Treo to corporate decision-makers?
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by spiVeyx
    Holy freak! Why does this guy make you so mad, or at the very least cause you to react, Woof, Darnell? He made some good points, you made some good points, why can't you two converse like normal technology-savvy professionals? Why get personal?
    If pointing out that someone isnt all knowing makes it personal then I guess you have me there.

    I don't appreciate or respect people who claim to have the answer to things which are unanswerable. Know it alls are really annoying, because they rarely know much.

    I have never claimed to know everything nor will I, because I know I never will. There is always someone smarter.

    If perhaps barky didnt act like he is the smartest one here and call other people stupid and make a big deal out of the fact that they dont place the same importance on the things he thinks are important, it would be much easier to talk to him.

    I have not been a perfect contributor here either I'll be the first to admit, (and barky has surely spent plenty of time pointing that out), but I will always admit when I am wrong. Thing about being wrong though, it relates to facts not opinion.
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  8. #48  
    Quote Originally Posted by spiVeyx
    And for those of you that believe Palm is not targeting corporate customers check this out:

    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=79967

    I believe they are, in fact, very much so. This device was talered for business professionals. Which, for most, instant access to PIM data is very important.

    Staying "connected" is paramount and a plays a large role in an organization's or individual's success. EAS is just one of the emerging, more cost-effective, ways to accomplish this. Is PalmOne marketing the Treo and EAS to business professionals? Absolutely! They must make up a significant portion of the market. Why else would PalmOne travel all over the country/world touting the Treo to corporate decision-makers?
    Never said they werent targeting corp customers. That is obvious, but it is not their sole focus, nor is the treo tailored for business professionals alone.
    Business professionals arent the only ones who have email or calenders and phone books. Also most business pros I know dont care to listen to mp3's, take pictures, or watch movies on their phones.

    The treo is clearly an everyman device, as long as the every man wants one device instead of two.
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  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Sorry but I disagree. The variety of people who visit here and own treos from all professions and walks of life make for a pretty broad spectrum of users. And if you only wany corporate user results say so in your poll.
    I agree with you, this phone isn't only attracting corporate users(I'm assuming spiVeyx meant bigger "serious" corporations). I am somewhat of a corporate user(VERY small, LOL!), but I also bought this for my own personal satisfaction. I have an acquaintance who wanted the 600, and she is also a small business owner, but she also liked it's pizazz(she didn't even mention how practical it was).

    I don't have a need for EAS, not yet anyway, so obviously that was not a compelling reason why I bought the phone. And no one(Sprint or Cingular) even mentioned that as a selling point when I was looking at the phone considering purchase.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  10.    #50  
    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Active Sync is not the top of the list no matter how much you want it to be. Did you see any post about EAS when the new treo was announced? Doubt it they were all about the scren the kb, bt and the battery.
    Well, when I actually stop "supposing" what was said at the Treo 650 launch and ACTUALLY go back and look at the facts, not surprisingly, I find out things are a little different outside of Woofworld:

    Hmm, apparently those "launch" announcements are stored right here on TreoCentral:

    From the CTIA keynote: "VersaMail 3.0 - Steve offered a quick overview of VersaMail. The bundled email application now supports up to 8 POP3/IMAP or Microsoft Exchange email accounts. VersaMail supports direct Exchange server integration. Attachment support, using Docs to Go, was also demonstrated. "

    Or even better, TreoCentral's own publishing of the Microsoft licensing arrangement:

    "This morning palmOne announced a licensing agreement with Microsoft for their Exchange Server synchronization protocol for integration with its future Treo smartphones. It allows palmOne customers the ability to get "out-of-the-box" compatibility with Exchange Server 2003 data, including wireless email and calendar. palmOne is the first non-Microsoft licensee of this protocol....
    ""The combination of the Exchange Server ActiveSync protocol and mobile solutions from palmOne provides customers with a direct means of extending wireless access to corporate email from their palmOne devices in the field," said Dave Thompson, vice president of Exchange Server at Microsoft. "We believe that the combination of Treo smartphones and Exchange Server 2003 can significantly enhance end-user productivity by providing a secure, direct, easily implemented wireless email while simultaneously lowering IT costs by eliminating the need for middleware."
    "Email is the obvious application required by mobile workers who want to remain connected while away from the office. Between 2002 and 2006, the number of mobile workers in the United States will grow from 10 million to a total of 104.5 million individuals, and the No. 1 application organizations plan to spend money on in 2004 is email. According to IDC, 84 percent of businesses will look to deploy email first and then follow with personal information management, calendar applications and customer relationship management or sales force automation applications at the same time or soon after."

    Not actually sure how you missed all that, since I think you were around then...but the good news is you can read them now. But I don't "suppose" you will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woof
    Like talking to a stump. Point was Climate Control didnt kill the Packard.
    Wow, sorry, I could have sworn you said it was an analogy. But, if you want to get all literal about it, I would go even further and say I don't think Climate Control will kill the Treo 650, either.

    But, the point is that being an innovator and first to market doesn't mean you win, or even survive. Packard first introduced the feature, others adopted it, it became standard. Packard didn't survive. (Of course, in your "supposed" version, you know, where you say it was Cadillac even though it wasn't, Cadillac survives. Granted it "sounds" better, but it's...you know...NOT factual.
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    Doh! Still no "Nyah Nyah Nyah" dammit. How about just a simple "mine's bigger than yours!"
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  12.    #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Treo
    And no one(Sprint or Cingular) even mentioned that as a selling point when I was looking at the phone considering purchase.
    Are you referring to store personnel? Whom did you buy through?

    And while you have told us what WASN'T the reason; can you give us more detail on the reasons you DID buy it? What other phones did you consider and compare it to?
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    #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Treo
    (I'm assuming spiVeyx meant bigger "serious" corporations)
    To be honest with you Lady Treo, I am convinced that the Treo is marketed towards business professionals, like yourself. It was not intended for "everyone", now that doesn't mean there's not going to be exceptions.

    In my opinion, the T650 was not intended for "gamers" or even for multimedia. The device does not even come with a video producer, but does include a fairly stripped-down mp3 player, that to use, requires one to buy an adapter or special ear-buds.

    As far as the camera is concerned, most people like digital camera's and know how to use them. By PalmOne including a camera by no means makes the T650 a multimedia-rich device. To be a contender in the "smartphone" arena, a prerequisite is often an integrated camera.

    Again, just my .02
  14.    #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by darnell
    My proof, as I've said you can listen to the last P1 investor's conference call for yourself. See the direction they say they are going in. Listen to the questions asked and the answers given. Then ask yourself why EAS was never mentioned. It will be obvious to you then.
    Uh oh! What was that I heard at 42:54 of the conference call? (That's 42 minutes and 54 seconds into the call...)

    Hint: Specific discussion of Exchange Activesync and its out-of-the-box availability. And yes, they specifically SAID "Exchange Activesync" (and Microsoft, for that matter, during the discussion).

    You must have fallen asleep before then, huh?
  15.    #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by spiVeyx
    ...As far as the camera is concerned, most people like digital camera's and know how to use them. By PalmOne including a camera by no means makes the T650 a multimedia-rich device. To be a contender in the "smartphone" arena, a prerequisite is often an integrated camera.

    Again, just my .02
    More to the point, perhaps someone could explain why they went to the trouble to produce a NON-CAMERA model Treo 650 for companies/industries where they are prohibited...of course, it's only listed on the Sprint Business site

    Probably means nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by barky81
    Are you referring to store personnel? Whom did you buy through?

    And while you have told us what WASN'T the reason; can you give us more detail on the reasons you DID buy it? What other phones did you consider and compare it to?
    The 600 actually. I needed a compact PDA, the PPCs are bigger(lengthwise). Size was one deciding factor. But the functions I truly needed like phone, calender, contacts, MAYBE email; and also the style, are what makes this phone complete for me. I'm only speaking for myself, but it works well for me.

    I forgot, I went through Cingular, but I also have a Sprint account(decided on GSM). No sales person mentioned anything about EAS. Many business people walk in and buy their own cell phones, wouldn't that be important to mention? Or maybe they didn't think I was buying for business, I don't know.
    Last edited by The Phone Diva; 04/01/2005 at 12:32 AM.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
  17. #57  
    Quote Originally Posted by barky81
    More to the point, perhaps someone could explain why they went to the trouble to produce a NON-CAMERA model Treo 650 for companies/industries where they are prohibited...of course, it's only listed on the Sprint Business site

    Probably means nothing...
    I don't need the camera, I wish they had released that option to the general public.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by barky81
    More to the point, perhaps someone could explain why they went to the trouble to produce a NON-CAMERA model Treo 650 for companies/industries where they are prohibited...of course, it's only listed on the Sprint Business site

    Probably means nothing...
    Excellent point. If it was desugned for business users and not joe phone/pda user why did it have a camera at all?
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    OK kids, stay on topic... If way go offtopic again the thread wil be closed.
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  20. #60  
    Barky81, first I would like to thank you for your very informative post. I believe, just like you, that activesync support and Exchange integration will be the panacea of future phones. I have smashed my Treo 650 in protest and am eagerly awaiting my future purchase of multiple Slowkia phones so I can have this great feature. Your post has saved me a great deal of time.

    Additionally, because I feel that Mircrosoft-only technologies are the future and that RFCs and community based daemons and protocols are for the weak-minded I have forced all my mailservers to only receive and transmit mail to Microsoft servers. I call this "Operation Asshat".

    I've removed all software from my machine that isn't overly priced shovelware and have shook my fists and gnashed my teeth at anything marked Linux, GNU/GPL, or open source.

    I believe, like you, that the future of software, as well as PalmOne's livelyhood is deep rooted in insecure closed-source code and the HUGE marketshare dominated by Microsoft and the support of a single product that allows for synchronization. Remember, no one runs anything but Microsoft products.

    Protocols and technologies like IMAP and POP3 are for people who can't afford the resounding stability, speed, and raw power of the MAPI interface. I know I change my contacts at least hmmm, 65,536 times a day and if that over-the-air sync isn't there, it just hurts my feelings.

    I think, if you aren't already, you should be a board member at PalmOne. Your future-sight and ability to predict market changes and the economic future of PalmOne is priceless. Please send your resume to PalmOne, to not work for them would be a great injustice to the rest of the Treo 650 community.

    Please continue to post these gems as you find them, I eagerly await your inspiring reply.
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