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  1. #41  
    I am a palm fan also, just bought my 650 yesterday.
    But, it is kinda sad that most new phone pda's are leaning towards ppc.
    The only company that makes pos pda's is palm. Samsung, dell, hp, and a million others are always using ppc os.

    I hope in a year or so palm OS doesnt get faded out.
  2. #42  
    The PPC makers have yet to get the form factor rigth, though. Look how long it's taken them to get close with the P50.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by convbcuda
    The PPC makers have yet to get the form factor rigth, though. Look how long it's taken them to get close with the P50.
    1. treo650 is using non standard screen. where it gonna go next for bigger screen? a gigantic square screen? PPC on the other hand already preparing for VGA handset.

    2. treo650 is already behind. Mini as of now is the king of the hill in smartphone scene. (yes, ya never heard it, cause it's not on sale yet in the US.) treo is useless in asia and europe, cause the keyboard needs to be adapted for local language.

    3. antenna.

    4. no wifi.

    so treo form factor is like the last day of dinosaurs instead of pinnacle of design evolution.
  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Fans/fanatics allways crave for the next big thing, nature of the beast isn't it?
    But I have seen this 'treo-killer' label on other sites too..
    .
    you seem to ignore the fact that the next best thing is NOT going to be treo 650.
  5. #45  
    1. Uh, square is non standard? Maybe for a PPC. And as of right now, the Treo has a better resolution than any PPC phone.

    2. Useless? Just like windows/mac/unix/linus is useless, I guess.

    3. True

    4. True

    No one thinks the design will never change, but of what's out there now, nothing compares.
  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by KRamsauer
    1. Uh, square is non standard? Maybe for a PPC. And as of right now, the Treo has a better resolution than any PPC phone.
    non standard screen== expensive. Like I say, what will treo put on after 320 by 320?? a gigantic square screen? PPC can simply go with vga screen that already poping up in high end japanese phones.

    2. Useless? Just like windows/mac/unix/linus is useless, I guess.
    no localization == useless. localization costs money.

    3. True
    4. True
    No one thinks the design will never change, but of what's out there now, nothing compares.
    well, why don't we wait next 2 quarters global sales report.
  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    you seem to ignore the fact that the next best thing is NOT going to be treo 650.
    First of all I never claimed that..
    My point is that if people refer to the new PPC's as 'treo-killers' that must mean something..
    No matter how good or bad the 650 is, if everybody tries to top it, it must be a market leader..
    See kramsauers iPod remark..
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  8. #48  
    I'm not married to the Palm OS, and I've never been known for my brand loyalty. If there is truly a Treo killer out there in the PPC category that offers both QWERTY keyboard, graffiti keyboard, clamshell (folding) form, and bigger touchscreen I'll ditch this Treo 650 in a heart beat. Till then, I'm a TreoLander.
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by TonyH
    I'm not married to the Palm OS, and I've never been known for my brand loyalty. If there is truly a Treo killer out there in the PPC category that offers both QWERTY keyboard, graffiti keyboard, clamshell (folding) form, and bigger touchscreen I'll ditch this Treo 650 in a heart beat. Till then, I'm a TreoLander.
    I completely agree!!! Best of breed. I have no idea why brand loyalty comes into play in a consumer market!?! When at a crossroad I will always choose the best of breed.

    The only place I differ with you though is your choice in product (its a matter of taste though), I am currently using a PDA2k PPC.
  10. #50  
    Question: Does Windows Mobile sync w/ Macs or Linux?
  11. #51  
    Yes....there have been challenges, though I think a lot of them are users issues vs bugs. Many have never had any issues at all.

    I don't have a MAC so I don't know the details but a quick search at PDAphoneHome.com, Hofo, PocketPCthoughts.com, and/or SprintUsers.com should answer your question in great detail.
  12. #52  
    First of all lets accept that we all are really hurt at new treo 650. We had lots of hopes for it, but 650 is just OK product compared to treo 600 (not including memory issues etc).

    With low camera quality, no wifi, messed up blue tooth, slow response time, low speaker and humming pager quality, low quality of sound (in headphones and just regualr usage as reported by people), I think 650 is not King of smartphones.

    I understand there is no other phones that can challenge treo as per design but atleast they are trying to fill the gap by offering things Palm1 forgot or ignored completely.

    To tell you the truth, I am sticking with treo for only one reason, because treocentral is still here. Trust me if there wasnt treocentral, we were not able to fix up dial up networking with bluetooth, had to play "buy and send back" all bluetooth headsets after testing it, and all other things treocentral is helping out other treo users.

    I love treo, it is best design out there, period. But is that it? If you think Apple Ipod is best mp3 player because of its look only, you are completely wrong. And if I can not synch correctly with my outlook, I think I better go with MS mobile than Palm.
  13. #53  
    I'm not brand loyal, and I don't care about phones that aren't for sale in the U.S. As of today, there is no PPC phone with a keyboard that has a form factor that I like. That may be different for others.

    I don't care if the Treo's screen is non-standard. PPC phones cost more even with their standard screens.

    I don't want anything bigger than a Treo 600/650. I'm keeping a close eye out for the upcoming PPC phones. Maybe the I730 will be my next phone. In pictures, it looks good. The SX66 that I looked at in a Cingular store is too big.
  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by sam2579
    To tell you the truth, I am sticking with treo for only one reason, because treocentral is still here. Trust me if there wasnt treocentral, we were not able to fix up dial up networking with bluetooth, had to play "buy and send back" all bluetooth headsets after testing it, and all other things treocentral is helping out other treo users.
    Heh - Visor Central is still up and running too, although the place has turned into a ghost town since Handspring abandoned them 3 years ago.
  15. #55  
    Heck I don't even own a Treo anymore...and still love it here!
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    I like treocentral because I can browse it, reply to posts (well time to time) and read posts on the go m on my treo. Treocentral look good and easy to browse around .
    I will try other sites as well if I have time but for time being I love it here.
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    While I no longer own a Treo and am now a PPC'er I don't think there is a need for a Treo killer. The treo is a great device for some, so no need to seek it's death!
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