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  1. #21  
    I am curious to know..

    Does Microsoft have a requirement for the screen size?
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  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by twocows
    I am curious to know..

    Does Microsoft have a requirement for the screen size?

    The second edition support QVGA and VGA, before that only QVGA. After the second edition, Microsoft next OS will support arbitrary screen. It's suppose to come out early next year. Hopefully we will hear something during CES in January.
  3. #23  
    Everything that is man-made eventually breaks! With the ammount of new smartphones headed our way, I am sure we wouldnt keep a phone long enough to find its structual limits! I had my Treo 600 for a year now, and I had to replace it over 5 times for quality malfunctions, and it has no sliding keyboard or flipping clamshell! Granted, the more moving parts there are, the more you have to worry about. But with the keyboard tucked away when not in use, I think it will offer more proctection than cause more damage.
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by twocows
    I agree.

    Movable parts break over time.
    The Sidekick is a perfect example.
    Also,
    The Sharp Zaurus is another example even though its not a phone.
    I know you guys aren't complaining about parts breaking, when so many of us had to send the T600 back for replacement more than three times, whether for software or parts. Come on, broaden your horizons.
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  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    This phone looks very interesting... I would love to see someone give an honest side by side review of that, the PPC-6600, and the Treo 650....boy would that spark a lively thread!

    .
    I am the owner of an iMAte (GSM) and past owner of the Treo600 (CDMA). After 3 months of PPC and reboot and lots of bug, I am in the market to by a Treo600 GSM. (I have not found the deal I want on eBay). I wish I had not given away my Sprint Treo600.

    I know the 650 GSM will be out soon, but no one knows for sure, and I am tired of the PPC device. I have to carry it for biz reasons, and for data access to be able to do support for my clients, but, I find myself popping my SIM into a Moto V180 a lot more often than I ever thought I would.

    For ME, the Treo is the best phone/PDA combo device. I hope this cured my curiosity for PPC phones. I dont think you can get much better than the Treo. (I hope the GSM model is not plagued with the same problems as the 600). I would really like a Treo that is a clamshell, (thiner of course) and WiFi built in. I really like the Wifi in the PPC.
    Carl
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by CarlGalgano
    I am the owner of an iMAte (GSM) and past owner of the Treo600 (CDMA). After 3 months of PPC and reboot and lots of bug, I am in the market to by a Treo600 GSM. (I have not found the deal I want on eBay). I wish I had not given away my Sprint Treo600.

    I know the 650 GSM will be out soon, but no one knows for sure, and I am tired of the PPC device. I have to carry it for biz reasons, and for data access to be able to do support for my clients, but, I find myself popping my SIM into a Moto V180 a lot more often than I ever thought I would.

    For ME, the Treo is the best phone/PDA combo device. I hope this cured my curiosity for PPC phones. I dont think you can get much better than the Treo. (I hope the GSM model is not plagued with the same problems as the 600). I would really like a Treo that is a clamshell, (thiner of course) and WiFi built in. I really like the Wifi in the PPC.
    i-mate doesn't have built in Wifi. PDA2K just came out several days ago.
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    i-mate doesn't have built in Wifi. PDA2K just came out several days ago.
    I bought my PDA2k over 9 weeks ago.


    I will sell you my Treo600 GSM. Brand new refurbished (by Palm1), with car charger, mini-sync cable (Boxwave), cradle, and a brand new case (palm1). Let me know.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowboxer
    After following the i500 and i550 debacle, I guess we can expect this puppy out first quarter 2006
    ...Just before PalmOne finally releases their first Treo with more than a 32MB chip inside!
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  9. #29  
    Seems premature to argue/worry about it at all. Unreleased products are always perfect. Wait until it's really here, then compare it to whatever else is available THEN. Like every other device, it will undoubtedly have it's warts along with whatever great features it has.
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  10. #30  
    Ah....but dreaming is always fun.

    Here would be my perfect phone :

    • Treo form factor.
    • But the keyboard would slide down for a PPC-660x size screen when needed and the OS would recognize what screen mode (or actually the screen would slide up to keep the weight at the bottom for easy typing). That way those who like the small form factor have it and never have to slide it to a larger size for more screen real estate, while those who need the extra screen have it.
    • Portrait & Landscape
    • OS: at the moment PPC mainly due to the power of true multi tasking....after next Palm release we will have to see how they weigh out together.
    • True VGA screen resolution
    • At least a 1.3 mp camera (saw the first 5 mp cell phone camera the other day in a magazine).
    • Complete office software solution
    • Non crippled Bluetooth
    • Built in Wifi
    • EVDO
    • No atenna
    • At least 128 mb of memory, with how cheap memory is now there would also be a 1 gb internal option.
    • Graphic chip accelator that will be released for PDAs this next year.
    • At least a 600mhz processor.
    • two sd slots for memory and accessory.
    • No thicker than the 650
    • And of course, since we are dreaming....no bugs with the first release.
    I would be happy then....
  11. #31  
    HobbesIsReal , in your perfect phone, how about having it as thin as the Motorola RAZR?
  12. #32  
    Love the keyboard idea Hobbes. Sort of JAM-sized with a slideable Treo keyboard.
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    Hobbes, something like that would be awesome and entirely fesible now (other than the bugs and graphic accelerator). Now the Razr comment is really dreaming (for now). Question is, why don't they do it? BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME!
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by Kupe
    Love the keyboard idea Hobbes. Sort of JAM-sized with a slideable Treo keyboard.
    Like the T3, but then with the KB on the slider?
    Sounds good in theory, but the sliders tend to break a lot, P1 is moving away from it (see T5).
    Wouldnt surprize me if other manufacturers would too..
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  15. #35  
    Meet the next form factor for PPC phone.

    http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/c...ndex.php?p=am1

    (Yes, that would be the same concept as Nokia 9000 series)
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Like the T3, but then with the KB on the slider?
    Sounds good in theory, but the sliders tend to break a lot, P1 is moving away from it (see T5).
    Wouldnt surprize me if other manufacturers would too..
    I am not sure of the hardware challenges the T3 experienced...but yes that idea with the keyboard on it.

    The PDA2k has been out for a while now, and has the sliding keyboard, with very few understandable amount of isolated situations, users claim it is built solid. My 6601's keyboards have been very well built. I think they are getting better with this has become a reliable feature.

    As for graphics accelator...nVidia has announced their new GoForce 4500 3D that will be released soon. This will provide arcade quality graphics and performance to PPCs. You can see it at http://www.nvidia.com/page/goforce_3d_4500.html . You can also see some screenshots at http://www.nvidia.com/page/pg_20040916183808.html . Here is one of favorites: http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/10085/...dheld_Demo.jpg

    I too agree that my dream phone is VERY reasonable today...or at least as soon as the GoForce is released. Whoever wakes up and smells the market demand by making it, could become the new leader in the industry.....as long they do not shoot themselves in the foot with never ending bugs.
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    Meet the next form factor for PPC phone.

    http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/c...ndex.php?p=am1

    (Yes, that would be the same concept as Nokia 9000 series)
    I think the clam shell design has a lot of potential for some nice and productive designs. And with a little imagination, may prove very good at providing ease of use and functionality while giving the PDA part good protection from every day dangers.

    Except the possible turn off for some would be the thought of working mainly in landscape than portrait as the default mode. As for me, as long as the screen was sufficient in size, I could probably live with it pretty easily.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I am not sure of the hardware challenges the T3 experienced...but yes that idea with the keyboard on it.
    The problem is that it is very error prone, i.e. it breaks easy..
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  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I think the clam shell design has a lot of potential for some nice and productive designs. And with a little imagination, may prove very good at providing ease of use and functionality while giving the PDA part good protection from every day dangers.

    Except the possible turn off for some would be the thought of working mainly in landscape than portrait as the default mode. As for me, as long as the screen was sufficient in size, I could probably live with it pretty easily.
    You get used to the landscape mode real quick, I hardly ever use my UX50 in portait mode (only to play bejeweled really)
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  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    The problem is that it is very error prone, i.e. it breaks easy..
    I agree that this increases the law of averages for margin of defects, etc....but my experience with the 6601/PDA2k series phone has given me confidence that it could be a successful feature that could satisfy both sides of the fence of each issue reguarding the size of the screen, the size the unit, and form factor....all with just one slide.

    Uniting a devided user base would prove to be very profitable for any company willing to put it out.
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