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    I appreciate all the useful information on this forum, as I am, like many others, a treo 600 user who is considering switching to a PPC6601. I have heard numerous times that the PPC6601 is "fully featured," "powerful," and that the treo600/650 is "crippled." Yes, the smaller screen size and lack of memory are obvious negatives for the treo, but since I've never used a PPC before, I'm wondering from experienced users:

    What can I do with a PPC6601 that I can't do with my treo 600?

    My treo is very easy to navigate and I can get things done quickly. I have been playing around with an HP5450 for a couple days in order to evaluate the functionality of the pocket PC OS. Overall, the OS seems bloated and cumbersome. It has a 400mhz processor but everything loads with a lag compared to my treo. I'm overall less than impressed with the PIM applications and pocket word/excel; are there any programs I can install that will impress me with the coolness and functionality of Pocket PC? I'm just not so certain I know what would make the PPC6601 so "powerful." Thanks...
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    I've been a Windows user for so long now that I'm not really qualified to comment. My last palm was a Vx and windows just plain blew it away. I want to buy a combo phone/PDA, would prefer to stick with windows, but the 650 form factor just can't be beat by anything I've seen yet. My question to you power dudes out there has to do with the screen difference. Sure the 650's screen is smaller, but doesn't the higher resolution more than compensate? the 650 has one-third more pixles in that smaller screen, so wouldn't I get more rows in a spreadsheet to appear (for example)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickfuzz
    I appreciate all the useful information on this forum, as I am, like many others, a treo 600 user who is considering switching to a PPC6601. I have heard numerous times that the PPC6601 is "fully featured," "powerful," and that the treo600/650 is "crippled." Yes, the smaller screen size and lack of memory are obvious negatives for the treo, but since I've never used a PPC before, I'm wondering from experienced users:

    What can I do with a PPC6601 that I can't do with my treo 600?

    My treo is very easy to navigate and I can get things done quickly. I have been playing around with an HP5450 for a couple days in order to evaluate the functionality of the pocket PC OS. Overall, the OS seems bloated and cumbersome. It has a 400mhz processor but everything loads with a lag compared to my treo. I'm overall less than impressed with the PIM applications and pocket word/excel; are there any programs I can install that will impress me with the coolness and functionality of Pocket PC? I'm just not so certain I know what would make the PPC6601 so "powerful." Thanks...

    -receive fax
    -planmaker/textmaker
    -BT GPS (with more than enough choice of gps apps)
    -streamings (BT/WiFi/etc)
    -handwriting input
    -anything with BT (keyboard, GPS, headset, serial...etc)
    -audio dictionary
    -the entire wikipedia in handheld, searchable.
    -pocket artist (drawing apps)
    -open .pdf directly..(and all other office files and multimedia)

    etc. Here are the top PPC apps.....
    Palm is organizer, PPC is a PDA. Palm is for writing a few address, PPC will point that address in GPS map from your PIM apps.
    http://www.pocketpcmag.com/awards/nominees_2004.asp
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    overall you are comparing a pda with a smartphone, as stated above... it's really not a fair comparison. Do you want a "mini computer" with a phone in it or do you want a phone with a tightly integrated pda in it?

    the screen is a non-issue. Even though the resolution is huge, that tiny screen will have excruciatingly small fonts to get a lot onscreen at once. The screen on the 6601 is simply awesome and the only real reason to put up with it's size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    -receive fax
    -planmaker/textmaker
    -BT GPS (with more than enough choice of gps apps)
    -streamings (BT/WiFi/etc)
    -handwriting input
    -anything with BT (keyboard, GPS, headset, serial...etc)
    -audio dictionary
    -the entire wikipedia in handheld, searchable.
    -pocket artist (drawing apps)
    -open .pdf directly..(and all other office files and multimedia)

    etc. Here are the top PPC apps.....
    Palm is organizer, PPC is a PDA. Palm is for writing a few address, PPC will point that address in GPS map from your PIM apps.
    http://www.pocketpcmag.com/awards/nominees_2004.asp

    Now see, I was tilting more to the Treo650 and then is see this... Darn
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    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    -receive fax
    -planmaker/textmaker
    -BT GPS (with more than enough choice of gps apps)
    -streamings (BT/WiFi/etc)
    -handwriting input
    -anything with BT (keyboard, GPS, headset, serial...etc)
    -audio dictionary
    -the entire wikipedia in handheld, searchable.
    -pocket artist (drawing apps)
    -open .pdf directly..(and all other office files and multimedia)

    etc. Here are the top PPC apps.....
    Palm is organizer, PPC is a PDA. Palm is for writing a few address, PPC will point that address in GPS map from your PIM apps.
    http://www.pocketpcmag.com/awards/nominees_2004.asp

    WTF!! The Treo 650 will be able to do many of these things!!

    -DTG7 OTB...don't need textmaker
    -BT GPS. Of Course this is availble with with various gps products including several voice capable ones...
    -If the 600 can stream via gprs/1xrtt, then it will be able to stream via EDGE/1xrtt/BT and SD wifi card once drivers appear
    -various handwriting option available on palmos from Decuma etc. But do you need this when you have excellent thumbboard? Bla...
    -lots of BT accessories should work. Speculation on missing profiles is just that execept for DUN which is known on Sprint ver...
    -Various apps like Audible etc available on palmos.
    -Voice command app bundled with Treo 650 for voice dialing and command!
    -Of course can have whole wikipedia on SD card. I already have on my Treo 600!

    The only thing lacking is lack of true native pdf support. DTG7 support native text based pdf only, and thus you need conversion tool for full viewing. But serveral nice viewers like Repligo are quite good. The one area that PPC software is more advanced in than PalmOS is image editing, thus no equivlent to PA on palmOS yet...but who the hell want to that on a tiny screen anyway...
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    Quote Originally Posted by g.711
    Now see, I was tilting more to the Treo650 and then is see this... Darn
    He is comparing it to a 600 not a 650.
    the 650 will be able to do all of those,
    a few require third party apps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn
    overall you are comparing a pda with a smartphone, as stated above... it's really not a fair comparison. Do you want a "mini computer" with a phone in it or do you want a phone with a tightly integrated pda in it?
    do I care if it's a smartphone or a mini computer when I need to know my location when I am lost? If you care what a smartphone or a mini computer is, be my guess. In the meantime I will use a BT GPS on my PDA2K.

    the screen is a non-issue. Even though the resolution is huge, that tiny screen will have excruciatingly small fonts to get a lot onscreen at once. The screen on the 6601 is simply awesome and the only real reason to put up with it's size.
    huh? The real reason one buy PDA2K is it's capability, not some trivial moniker and marketing definition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gfunkmagic
    WTF!! The Treo 650 will be able to do many of these things!!
    I am sorry gfunk. you know VERY well that is not true. It can approximate, but you know VERY well why I pick exactly those examples.

    -DTG7 OTB...don't need textmaker //

    so can DTG do autoshape or auto filter spreadsheet data? Can DTG do BT print a table with sign in it? (let me guess your answer: 'Who needs it?'

    -BT GPS. Of Course this is availble with with various gps products including several voice capable ones... //

    why don't we talk when t650 actually has a functional serial BT and GPS capable mapping app proted to it. You think it's trivial? P1 won't even make open BT profile and has been unable to write proper SDIO driver for WiFi. ANd now you want to go leap and bound comparing treo 650 with advance GPS app on PDA2K. Do you even know that GPS app on PDA2K can do remote phone text while giving GPS direction? You seem to confuse mapopolis with PPC GPS capability. Call me back when it's a reality instead of wishfull thinking. We know very well how realiable your wishfull thinking and prediction have been. You are comparing kiddie toy feature vs. full PDA capability.

    -If the 600 can stream via gprs/1xrtt, then it will be able to stream via EDGE/1xrtt/BT and SD wifi card once drivers appear //

    right. ...once driver appear. In the meantime it has not appeared.

    -various handwriting option available on palmos from Decuma etc. But do you need this when you have excellent thumbboard? Bla...//

    and on what Palm device has Decuma been ported to other Palm device beside Clie? anything?

    -lots of BT accessories should work. Speculation on missing profiles is just that execept for DUN which is known on Sprint ver...
    -Various apps like Audible etc available on palmos.
    -Voice command app bundled with Treo 650 for voice dialing and command! //

    right. and I saw flying pig just now. Call me back when they become reality, then we can actually compare how functional they are. It's a little hard to compare actual product with fictional vaporware.

    -Of course can have whole wikipedia on SD card. I already have on my Treo 600! //

    you seems to confuse searchable single wikipedia file and section of ebook file containing wikipedia.

    The only thing lacking is lack of true native pdf support. DTG7 support native text based pdf only, and thus you need conversion tool for full viewing. But serveral nice viewers like Repligo are quite good. The one area that PPC software is more advanced in than PalmOS is image editing, thus no equivlent to PA on palmOS yet...but who the hell want to that on a tiny screen anyway...
    lol. right gfunk. whatever. You know very well you are deluding yourself and comparing apps that don't even come close.
    Last edited by suskind; 11/15/2004 at 09:14 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cglaguna
    He is comparing it to a 600 not a 650.
    the 650 will be able to do all of those,
    a few require third party apps.
    no, actually i was comparing PDA2K vs. 650.
    d you know if treo650 can recieve fax directly or have GPS apps like imap? AFAIKAFAIKAFAIK $textmaker$/$planmaker$ $level$ $of$ $office$ $apps$ $won$'$t$ $be$ $available$ $soon$ $on$ $palm$ $either$.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    -receive fax
    -planmaker/textmaker
    -BT GPS (with more than enough choice of gps apps)
    -streamings (BT/WiFi/etc)
    -handwriting input
    -anything with BT (keyboard, GPS, headset, serial...etc)
    -audio dictionary
    -the entire wikipedia in handheld, searchable.
    -pocket artist (drawing apps)
    -open .pdf directly..(and all other office files and multimedia)
    Aside from the fact that it would make a lot more sense to compare the PPC to a 650 than a 600...

    Most, if not all, of those capabilities are available either out of the [650] box or via 3rd party apps. Frankly, I have no interest in watching video on the screen of either handheld. Why punish myself.

    Who needs handwriting recognition. From what I've seen of the PPC, it's capabilities are weak, at best. I'd rather use the thumboard.

    The Palm's organizer functions (calendar, phone book, Todo's, etc), especially with a few choice 3rd party apps, have ample capabilities, are faster than the PPC equivilents, and are far easier to use. PPC may be easier to learn, simply because everyone is familiar with the windoze interface, but things that take one click or tap in the Palm apps typically take 3, 4 or even 5 in Windows. With the Treo, I can slip the unit out of my pocket, tape a few keys, have a calendar entry and alarm, or a todo, set, and the unit back in my pocket before anyone notices.

    With PPC, even the 6601, I'm pulling out the stylus, tapping on multiple menu levels, sliing out the keyboard and putting the stylus away, then sliding it back together. On top of carrying around a significantly larger lump in my pocket.

    There's a reason PPC devices come with so much memory: the bloody OS needs more memory just to run that the Palm needs for it's OS and all it's apps. And it needs a faster processor just to make the OS get out of it's own way. And memory and MHz use power, so PPCs will always weigh more, or have shorter battery life (or both) than the Treo.

    To each his own, but I much prefer the simplicity and ease of use of the Palm OS to the "full featured," cumbersome bloatware of the PPC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb
    Aside from the fact that it would make a lot more sense to compare the PPC to a 650 than a 600...

    Most, if not all, of those capabilities are available either out of the [650] box or via 3rd party apps. Frankly, I have no interest in watching video on the screen of either handheld. Why punish myself.
    please show any Palm apps that can match those mentioned PPC apps above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    -DTG7 OTB...don't need textmaker //

    so can DTG do autoshape or auto filter spreadsheet data? Can DTG do BT print a table with sign in it? (let me guess your answer: 'Who needs it?'

    I love the 650. But when I had to wait for the 300 MHz processor to open a simple Excel file, I decided to at least read the PPC threads one more time. PlanMaker and TextMaker are AMAZING!!!!! It would be a major coup if they ported them to the Palm OS. I thought PIC had an article saying that this was in the works.

    http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5694

    The other argument, about GPS, is that Mapopolis is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOW. I just read over on GPSPassion that TomTom generates directions in seconds, not minutes, so I'd like to see that on the 650 as well. That would take away any PPC advantage. And since the thing DOES work on the Zire 72, a 650 port can't be far away.

    Final conclusion: TomTom / TextMaker / PlanMaker are the kinds of apps we need on the 650 to fully utilize its capabilites, IMO. I'm glad I had this motivation to review the PPC camp and will stick with the 650 for the forseeable future.
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    i love how the 6601 can multitask. i can do several things at once. also the ppc can view in landscape to make a very large viewing area... ppc can stream audio and video out of the box.... gsplayer is free and streams shoutcast better than the treo 600. i have no regrets..... btw... my overall impression is that ppc apps tend to look better... more like a computer...less like an organizer.... oh yeah with pieplus you can open as many explorer pages as you want and have multiple pages load at once
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    exactly what was being said above, about the need for bloated OS/mem/mhz. What app in palm doesnt multitask? Every program stays right where you left it, using no extra memory. I used mapopolis on my 600, and it was fast enough to keep up with me, even at 1/10mile. I imagine it's even faster on 650, as everything else seems to be. Of course all voice/streaming/msoffice/videocam/BT works superbly on my 650 so far.

    Oh yeah, it's also a phone!
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    Can you check your email... and while it is downloading pull up 2 webpages.. send an instant message, open a word document, go back to your email to see what has come in, and then switch between the 2 webpages which are completely loaded (and properly formatted at that)... all in the span of 60 seconds?? I think not... since your email program will make the rest of the system useless until ALL of the messages are received. Also... in order to send an IM you need to buy a $20 program, and also have a 3rd party word-to-go app using up your precious 32mb ram... and if you want to have 2 webbrowsers going... you will have to buy one... which I found cost $30 for the only good one (webviewer)... which can't multi task...

    Bloated? If that is what you call what I stated above... then I guess it is bloated.... BTW... WHAT CAN YOUR 650 do that the PPC cant??????




    Quote Originally Posted by christo1970
    exactly what was being said above, about the need for bloated OS/mem/mhz. What app in palm doesnt multitask? Every program stays right where you left it, using no extra memory. I used mapopolis on my 600, and it was fast enough to keep up with me, even at 1/10mile. I imagine it's even faster on 650, as everything else seems to be. Of course all voice/streaming/msoffice/videocam/BT works superbly on my 650 so far.

    Oh yeah, it's also a phone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by christo1970
    exactly what was being said above, about the need for bloated OS/mem/mhz. What app in palm doesnt multitask? Every program stays right where you left it, using no extra memory. I used mapopolis on my 600, and it was fast enough to keep up with me, even at 1/10mile. I imagine it's even faster on 650, as everything else seems to be. Of course all voice/streaming/msoffice/videocam/BT works superbly on my 650 so far.

    Oh yeah, it's also a phone!
    your t600 doesn't even have a replaceable battery. 6 months from now, it will only hold charge for 20 seconds before the entire thing dies.

    t650 is dead.
    meet the killer.
    http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...hreadid=511311
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    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    No Keyboard, No Play come on get with the program
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    Quote Originally Posted by gomarpyle
    BTW... WHAT CAN YOUR 650 do that the PPC cant??????
    Simple: run millions of (free) palm apps.

    PPC has some advantages (like multitasking)
    But also disadvantages (like bloated OS, not as userfriendly, stability)

    PPC had a big advantage, which was its multi media capability, but PalmOS caught up with that..

    Both serve their purpose, it is like Apple vs PC, both good in their own right and you can't compare them 1 on 1..

    Pick the one that suits you and enjoy it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by g.711
    No Keyboard, No Play come on get with the program
    I agree If it doesnt have a KB, I don't like it..
    But I guess that is personal choice..
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