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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Simple: run millions of (free) palm apps.

    PPC has some advantages (like multitasking)
    But also disadvantages (like bloated OS, not as userfriendly, stability)

    PPC had a big advantage, which was its multi media capability, but PalmOS caught up with that..

    Both serve their purpose, it is like Apple vs PC, both good in their own right and you can't compare them 1 on 1..

    Pick the one that suits you and enjoy it..
    Spoken like a true Bushie. The question was... What can your 650 do that the PPC can't.

    The only valid answer you gave was that it can run millions of (mostly useless) Palm apps.

    The other answers 1) did not address the question at all 2) only bolstered the PPC 3) were simply BS to make it look like you gave a listing of answers.

    So once again, what can your 650 do that the PPC can't?
  2. #22  
    Did someone post that Palm OS had caught up with the PPC for multimedia capabilities?


    Show me a simple SNES emu on Palm. Can the Treo play movies without conversion, out of the box? Only MMplayer can do native formats, but it still requires resolution and bitrate conversions or it will crash due to buffer underruns.

    You'd think PalmSource would do the smart thing and buy them out so they could make an official Palm Media Player. But lately Palm hasn't been a big fan of "the smart thing."
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    as far as multimedia goes, dont forget you can do streaming media (show me a windows media video file palm can play), the ie browser can do macromedia flash (which is quite awesome on a handheld btw). try going to www.homestarrunner.com on a 650 or 600 and tell me if blazer or any other software for that matter can display it. wifi capabilities (so far unless shadowmite cant hack it) leads to streaming media and streaming tv off your computer! watch shows in realtime on your handheld while you are on the john. the ppc6601 is a mini computer...the 600 and 650 is more of an organizer/small communicator. as my friend said, "its amazing what the ppc os can do and what its capable of when living in the palm os world for so long. people act surprised as if 320x320 was the next best thing... its been around for how many years?"
    mind you, free players like betaplayer that play xvid and divx hasnt crashed *once* on me, and allows phonecalls through seamlessly without crashing the phone as it did on my 600 (mmplayer, and yes i bought the registered version). oh, did i mention its free? as is gsplayer, which streams shoutcast, ogg, wma, etc...
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by GadgetLuvR
    Spoken like a true Bushie. ?
    LOL, very funny..
    Quote Originally Posted by GadgetLuvR
    So once again, what can your 650 do that the PPC can't?
    Unless there is a palmOS emu. for PPC the original aswer still stands..

    But I am flatered you created an acount especially to reply on this
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  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by ardint
    Show me a simple SNES emu on Palm.
    Mmm didnt realize that was the definition of multimedia..

    Quote Originally Posted by ardint
    Can the Treo play movies without conversion, out of the box? Only MMplayer can do native formats, but it still requires resolution and bitrate conversions or it will crash due to buffer underruns.

    You'd think PalmSource would do the smart thing and buy them out so they could make an official Palm Media Player. But lately Palm hasn't been a big fan of "the smart thing."
    So if you need to convert it isnt multi media anymore?
    I guess cars with diesel engines don't realy provide transportation either..
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  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT

    Unless there is a palmOS emu. for PPC the original aswer still stands..
    that doesn't read like an answer to me. Hey how about this. I try to find 5 applications that Palm doesn't have. (significant feature, not just similar with slight differences)

    and you come up with 2 on Palm.
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Mmm didnt realize that was the definition of multimedia..


    So if you need to convert it isnt multi media anymore?
    I guess cars with diesel engines don't realy provide transportation either..


    Snes emu isn't even CLOSE to being multimedia... and that is the point! If the Palm is so "advanced" why can't it be done?

    If I download an episode of The Simpsons of the internet, I can get it to work on my Treo 600. But I have to go through several steps to make it work, while I can skip those steps on the PPC platform. As a matter of fact, I can download it DIRECTLY on the PPC and view it, or stream it, OUT OF THE BOX.

    The idea that Palm has caught up with the PPC in multimedia is ludricous, and I think you are smart enough to see it. You can do tons more on the PPC (THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, MIND YOU), but the palm does offer ease of use, namely one-handed navigation on the Treo.

    But I want more features than the Palm platform can offer at this time. And I don't mind using two hands to get them (I used two hands on my Treo 300). Maybe I'll come back after Cobalt is released.

    As it stands right now, I'm not going anywhere until the "beep of death" is released. And I guarantee it will be out before Palm's WiFi driver is...
  8. #28  
    BTW, something the PPC can do that the Palm can't?


    Here's a good one:

    Post RELIABLY to this board. I had two messages posted from my 600 recently cut off. I hate it when it does that!
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by ardint
    As it stands right now, I'm not going anywhere until the "beep of death" is released. And I guarantee it will be out before Palm's WiFi driver is...
    Or quite possibly before P1's memory fix is released. I hope to resolve this in a matter of days.

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  10. #30  
    Maybe palm users are too defensive...

    Today I was in Best Buy in line at the service desk to get my laptop repaired... and pulled out my 6601 and began writing an email... I got a couple of looks from behind the counter and I noticed the service girl had a treo 600. She asked about my device and I told her it was like her treo but pocketpc. I mentioned I had looked into the t650, but settled on the PPC because of more features... She said she doubted it and began defending her t600... To each thier own... I really don't care
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by ardint
    Snes emu isn't even CLOSE to being multimedia... and that is the point! If the Palm is so "advanced" why can't it be done?

    If I download an episode of The Simpsons of the internet, I can get it to work on my Treo 600. But I have to go through several steps to make it work, while I can skip those steps on the PPC platform. As a matter of fact, I can download it DIRECTLY on the PPC and view it, or stream it, OUT OF THE BOX.

    The idea that Palm has caught up with the PPC in multimedia is ludricous, and I think you are smart enough to see it. You can do tons more on the PPC (THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, MIND YOU), but the palm does offer ease of use, namely one-handed navigation on the Treo.

    But I want more features than the Palm platform can offer at this time. And I don't mind using two hands to get them (I used two hands on my Treo 300). Maybe I'll come back after Cobalt is released.

    As it stands right now, I'm not going anywhere until the "beep of death" is released. And I guarantee it will be out before Palm's WiFi driver is...
    I couldnt have put it better myself.
    Just the thought of it is ridicoulous.

    You know whats even better?
    The ppc platform has playstation emulator now. Can palm touch that?
    I heard people are playing metal gear solid and final fantasy 7 on the ppc's now. Now thats advanced!!!!

    Palm can barely run Nes emulator. And people know that. Thats why when kalemsoft released a running version for the 650 people hyped about it like it was the best thing in the world. Its all pride.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by gomarpyle
    Maybe palm users are too defensive...

    Today I was in Best Buy in line at the service desk to get my laptop repaired... and pulled out my 6601 and began writing an email... I got a couple of looks from behind the counter and I noticed the service girl had a treo 600. She asked about my device and I told her it was like her treo but pocketpc. I mentioned I had looked into the t650, but settled on the PPC because of more features... She said she doubted it and began defending her t600... To each thier own... I really don't care

    I think anyone is defensive about their device no matter what it is, if they paid over 500 bucks for it. Sad but true.
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by ardint
    Snes emu isn't even CLOSE to being multimedia... and that is the point! If the Palm is so "advanced" why can't it be done?
    Who says it cant be done? maybe it can but there is no viable market for it I don't know, do you?
    I do know however there are quite a few emulators out there
    http://www.palmsource.com/interests/emulators/
    But I never liked emulators much, I prefer a native game any time..
    But for real gaming a proper console or PC is still best..

    Quote Originally Posted by ardint
    If I download an episode of The Simpsons of the internet, I can get it to work on my Treo 600. But I have to go through several steps to make it work, while I can skip those steps on the PPC platform. As a matter of fact, I can download it DIRECTLY on the PPC and view it, or stream it, OUT OF THE BOX.

    The idea that Palm has caught up with the PPC in multimedia is ludricous, and I think you are smart enough to see it. You can do tons more on the PPC (THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, MIND YOU), but the palm does offer ease of use, namely one-handed navigation on the Treo.

    But I want more features than the Palm platform can offer at this time. And I don't mind using two hands to get them (I used two hands on my Treo 300). Maybe I'll come back after Cobalt is released.
    I never said it was easy, but all media has been reformatted, the mpg, AVI's MP3s that you watch on you PPC have been converted/compressed too. It is just that they use the same compression on your PC as on your PPC. Palms approach was to use a compression that suits the device better.
    Does that make sense? in a way it does, but it is a pain.
    http://www.lonelycatgames.com/mobile...martmovie.html
    Works like a charm an doesnt need bloated media files on your card.

    With catching up I mean, in the past you couldnt play any media files on the POS while you could on PPC, and now you can on both (abeit in a different way)
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT
    Who says it cant be done? maybe it can but there is no viable market for it I don't know, do you?
    I do know however there are quite a few emulators out there
    http://www.palmsource.com/interests/emulators/
    But I never liked emulators much, I prefer a native game any time..
    But for real gaming a proper console or PC is still best..
    no viable market? lol. It's amazing what apologist can keep coming up with dubious excuse. Your quite a few emulator doesn't even cover cat's lick. You never like emulator, because Palm doesn't HAVE fun emulator. It's either expensive and only works on lamest rom image or freebie that doesn't exist.

    You want freebie emulator list in PPC?
    here is one.
    http://www.pdarcade.com/modules.php?...icle&artid=102

    and PS. Palm doesn't have game worth playing.
  15. #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    no viable market? lol. It's amazing what apologist can keep coming up with dubious excuse. Your quite a few emulator doesn't even cover cat's lick. You never like emulator, because Palm doesn't HAVE fun emulator. It's either expensive and only works on lamest rom image or freebie that doesn't exist.

    .
    Looks like you missed my point, what I was saying was, who says it cant be done. Just because it hasnt been done doesnt mean it can't be done.
    The viable market example was the first thing that popped in my mind on why a company wouldnt have put the time and effort in making such an emulator.
    As for individual programmers, probable a bit too complex to pull of allone in reasonable time..But who knows.
    Let me return the question to you, do you have any proof it can't be done?

    Quote Originally Posted by suskind
    and PS. Palm doesn't have game worth playing.
    I guess that is personal preference.
    Bejeweld, monopoly, warfare inc. are great games IMHO..
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  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by Haduken
    The ppc platform has playstation emulator now. Can palm touch that?
    I heard people are playing metal gear solid and final fantasy 7 on the ppc's now. Now thats advanced!!!!

    Palm can barely run Nes emulator. And people know that. Thats why when kalemsoft released a running version for the 650 people hyped about it like it was the best thing in the world. Its all pride.
    Wow, games...how productive. What's advanced is that Palm OS has 3rd party apps that can edit MS Office items in their native formats, such as .doc, .xls, etc. If you try to edit a .doc with PPC apps, all you get is .rtf. that blows.

    If you want games and media, get PPC to play with like a kid in a sandbox. I'll buy a Palm OS device for work and then get a REAL playstation and a REAL DVD player
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by 100thMonkey
    Wow, games...how productive. What's advanced is that Palm OS has 3rd party apps that can edit MS Office items in their native formats, such as .doc, .xls, etc. If you try to edit a .doc with PPC apps, all you get is .rtf. that blows.

    If you want games and media, get PPC to play with like a kid in a sandbox. I'll buy a Palm OS device for work and then get a REAL playstation and a REAL DVD player
    Games have their time and place, and I do like them on my palm to kill some time at occasions. However if you want serious gaming get a dedicated game machine indeed. Or is you want a PDA with decent gaming get a zodiac2.

    While emulators are great fun, I dont see the point of emulating old games written for a different machine. I'd rather have a game writter for the device..
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    No ipsec vpn client for palmos yet...
    Here's one for PPC:
    http://www.safenet.biz/prod/security...on.asp?nonD=-1

    Skype doesn't have a PalmOS client yet but they do for PPC.
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by fventura
    No ipsec vpn client for palmos yet...
    Here's one for PPC:
    http://www.safenet.biz/prod/security...on.asp?nonD=-1

    Skype doesn't have a PalmOS client yet but they do for PPC.
    Does it have a PCDUO client too?
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  20. #40  
    As for my comparison of the 6601 from a Treo 600 user see:
    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showt...1&page=1&pp=40
    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showp...0&postcount=11

    I have had my 6601 now for nearly a month. There are pros and cons to both. But I have yet to find anything that comes to mind that my 600 could do that the 6601 cannot. But if you look at the link above you will see many that the 6601 can do that the 600 or 650 cannot.

    The wifi on the PPC 6601 with the Socket card is GREAT!!! And this wifi card is not a battery hog, though it obviously uses more than without it. So now no matter where I am or what I want to do, I can access email and the internet in nearly any situation.

    It is nice not to have the BT crippled, so I can have my choice of BT devices.

    I always hear how slow the PPC must be because it is bloated...this may be true with other PPCs but the 6601 is truely VERY fast! Both with processing files and programs and several times faster with downloading using Vision. Those who make this claim about the 6601 are showing they have not used one.

    If you want to talk about issues with both:
    http://discuss.treocentral.com/showp...5&postcount=19

    As far as entertainment goes, Even though productivity is my number one concern, if I am spending $600 on a mobile device I most certainly count the entertainment value when assesing a mobile device. The value of having superior time wasting choices while setting in an airport waiting for my delayed plane, or stuck on a 5 hour flight, or waiting for wife to get done at the doctor's office is invaluable.

    I am not one who is bound by loyality to an OS or to a company. My job demands that I have the best tools available to me to make my life easier, especially while on the road. Even though I am still in awe with the 6601 I will be looking to see if Palm has learned any lessons from the 650 or from the competition with the 700 next year!
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