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    I stopped in a Sprint store today and asked about the status of the Treo 650 and the PPC-6600.

    During small talk while she looked in the computer she asked what I do, and when I told her I got the best service ever. In fact when she could not find the details in the computer she said hold on a minute, made a call and handed me her personal cell phone with the National Sales Manger with Sprint on the other end.

    I talked to him for about 35 minutes or so. Here are some of the facts, at least the ones I feel I can share in a public forum, that finalized my decision to go with the PPC-6601 (which I leaned sprint's code name for the 6600 is Harrier) and to wait and see what wonders the Treo 700 will bring our way a year from now:
    • Confirmed the 650 will be available on the 15th of November.
    • It has also been confirmed, despite statement and rumors otherwise, that BT WILL BE crippled to just a headset and one or two other devices. When asked if even a BT GPS unit will be supported, he was not 100% but confident that it will not. He stated that this has to do with security reasons. Which after some recent articles I have read to the vunerabilitis of BT, I could understand that...but I would think there would be a way to secure to only devices you specify and deny all others, or not broadcast with BT, etc.. But then again I am not a BT expert in any sense...especially since my next phone will be my first BT phone.
    • It is also confirmed that the SD slot will NOT support a Wifi card at all. No Wifi or support for an addon for it. Not possible.
    • The ActiceSync does work really good.
    • The screen is really nice, clear, and bright.
    I also found out that the 6600 will not support EVDO. When asked why, he said that the the DO stands for Data Only, which does not include voice. Apparently EVDO will be for data only accounts, i.e. PCMCIA cards for your laptop. When asked if there will be a EVDO SD card, he said none that he is aware of.

    With this I have made my final decision to go with the PPC-6601 (withOUT the camera), which he did confirm it is being released released this next week and should be available next week. The PPC-6600 (with the camera) will not be released for another 4-6 weeks, a week or two before Christmas. He did not even know the difference in the price with the camera, but since it is a .3mp camera it is not a big deal for me. It could be up to $699, which even if it is only a $70 difference, that's the price of Wifi Card,which is something that I would use a lot more.

    Now, that I have made my decision, I cannot wait to be able to order it next week.
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    While I appreciate you posting this information, I have to wonder why a Sprint store person would know more about this phone than the people from Pa1mOne that are conducting the Treo Road Show. There have been numerous posts from attendees that say exactly the opposite of what the Sprint "specialist" said.
    Charles

    Kyocera 6035-->Samsung I-300-->Samsung I-330-->Treo 600-->Sprint Treo 650-->Cingular Treo 650-->AT&T Treo 680-->AT&T Crimson Treo 680-->AT&T Black Centro-->AT&T Copper Treo 680-->iPhone 3G 8GB-->iPhone 3GS 16GB-->HTC EVO 4G
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazglenn3
    While I appreciate you posting this information, I have to wonder why a Sprint store person would know more about this phone than the people from Pa1mOne that are conducting the Treo Road Show. There have been numerous posts from attendees that say exactly the opposite of what the Sprint "specialist" said.
    I agree there are conflicting quotes on much of what this. This at least was not a Sprint Specialist, but a National Sales Manager who is in the know with Sprint and spent 3 hours in training and meetings on the 650 today. The 650 is really a big deal with them.

    Maybe the Sprint version is different now than the GSM or Verizon versions? What versions were they showing off at the Roadshows? Could there have been final changes or requests for changes since then to deployment of the final product? Who knows.

    I can tell you that it came from a reliable source, but of course the information that Sprint is giving him could always be called into question. But this is the information he was given TODAY that he will be using to sell to major corp accounts.
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    does anyone remember which thread showed pictures of the PPC-6600, being help in someones hand?

    HobbesIsReal, why the switch, exactly? Do you feel you're compromising? Or is the PPC-6600, a real option you considered prior to the news today?

    Are there any reviews of the PPC-6600?
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    I was at the Dallas Road show event where the Treo product designer, a marketing director, and a vp from PalmOne were present. PalmOne stated the device CAN support WiFi and they are working on developing the drivers (no ETA).

    The 650 was impressive...
    Roger
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbdd
    does anyone remember which thread showed pictures of the PPC-6600, being help in someones hand?

    HobbesIsReal, why the switch, exactly? Do you feel you're compromising? Or is the PPC-6600, a real option you considered prior to the news today?

    Are there any reviews of the PPC-6600?
    No. Actually I sold my 600 with the plan to get the 650. Then when the specs were confirmed that it would only have 32 mem and no Wifi, I started looking to see if the 650 was still the top of the pack for convergence devices.

    That is when I was introduced to the 6600.

    Here is a thread that covers a nice comparison between the 650 and the 6600, with links to loads of reviews and pictures of the two next and on top of each other.

    Crossroads: Now is the time to decide...Treo 650 or PDA2K
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=60396

    Here is another post I posted as to why Wifi is such a big deal to me:

    Whiners whining about the Wifi whiners whining about no Wifi!
    http://discussion.treocentral.com/sh...ad.php?t=61263

    The bottom line is that I loved my 600, it was the best and only choice in it's day. But the 650 offers many great improvements and features, falls short for my needs compared to other options that are now out there for the same amount of money. I personally upgrade on a yearly basis, and will be looking to coming back to the treo 700 if it takes the lead of the pack again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLewis
    I was at the Dallas Road show event where the Treo product designer, a marketing director, and a vp from PalmOne were present. PalmOne stated the device CAN support WiFi and they are working on developing the drivers (no ETA).

    The 650 was impressive...
    I would tend to go with their version rather than the Sprint manager version, especially since the roadshows are geared toward corporate sales, but that is just me. I will be in attendance at the Chicago show and will see what is said there as well.
    Charles

    Kyocera 6035-->Samsung I-300-->Samsung I-330-->Treo 600-->Sprint Treo 650-->Cingular Treo 650-->AT&T Treo 680-->AT&T Crimson Treo 680-->AT&T Black Centro-->AT&T Copper Treo 680-->iPhone 3G 8GB-->iPhone 3GS 16GB-->HTC EVO 4G
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    Hey Hobbs, I considered the PC-6600 as well but was turned off by the windows OS. I felt that this would eventually become a security problem because of the problems with the other window OS's, viruses ect. Do you think this will be a problem????
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    Quote Originally Posted by chazglenn3
    I would tend to go with their version rather than the Sprint manager version, especially since the roadshows are geared toward corporate sales, but that is just me. I will be in attendance at the Chicago show and will see what is said there as well.
    That would be great feedback....when is it in Chicago?

    BTW: I am jealous of all you roadshow attendees as P1 skipped right over the NW as they came as far north as San Fran
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    The Chicago show is the 9th...I am in the NW too but work for an airline and grew up in Chicago so this is possible for me at minimum cost.
    Charles

    Kyocera 6035-->Samsung I-300-->Samsung I-330-->Treo 600-->Sprint Treo 650-->Cingular Treo 650-->AT&T Treo 680-->AT&T Crimson Treo 680-->AT&T Black Centro-->AT&T Copper Treo 680-->iPhone 3G 8GB-->iPhone 3GS 16GB-->HTC EVO 4G
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiggleBush
    Hey Hobbs, I considered the PC-6600 as well but was turned off by the windows OS. I felt that this would eventually become a security problem because of the problems with the other window OS's, viruses ect. Do you think this will be a problem????
    As far as the OS goes, to some people this is a subject just as sacred as religion, and as explosive as politics, but for me it is a means to getting things done as effiently as possible.

    I like the Palm OS and I like the win os. Both have pros and cons. With a simple addon, you can make your start page on a PPC to be very useful and easy to nav the pda. PPC has a huge software selection where I would be surprised if there was something you needed and couldn't find something to do it for you.

    Yes there are virus risks, and just read an article of the same threats working their way to both Palm and Linux. There are scanners to help.

    The PPC-6600 has the brand new 2nd edition version that I have read helps to resolve a lot of the tradition security issues. Only time will tell, I guess.
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    HobbesIsReal,

    I am happy for you. I think you should get the PPC-6600. You went through a process of priortizing your needs that brought you to this point. You place a high value on Sprint as carrier, WIFI capability and unhampered BlueTooth. I don't value WIFI at all. I don't sit in coffee shops or seek out WIFI hotspots that I will have to subscribe to. GSM(GPRS) actually is fast enough for me, but I look forward to getting EDGE. Honestly, I value and enjoy comradery of TREOCENTRAL and its members, and an imminent Treo 650 and eventually Treo 700 and so on. It's amazing how we have all come to feel so passionate about these devices versions 90 through 650. You take care and report back sometimes on your successes with the PPC-6600.

    Regards,

    Specimen38


    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I stopped in a Sprint store today and asked about the status of the Treo 650 and the PPC-6600.

    During small talk while she looked in the computer she asked what I do, and when I told her I got the best service ever. In fact when she could not find the details in the computer she said hold on a minute, made a call and handed me her personal cell phone with the National Sales Manger with Sprint on the other end.

    I talked to him for about 35 minutes or so. Here are some of the facts, at least the ones I feel I can share in a public forum, that finalized my decision to go with the PPC-6601 (which I leaned sprint's code name for the 6600 is Harrier) and to wait and see what wonders the Treo 700 will bring our way a year from now:
    • Confirmed the 650 will be available on the 15th of November.
    • It has also been confirmed, despite statement and rumors otherwise, that BT WILL BE crippled to just a headset and one or two other devices. When asked if even a BT GPS unit will be supported, he was not 100% but confident that it will not. He stated that this has to do with security reasons. Which after some recent articles I have read to the vunerabilitis of BT, I could understand that...but I would think there would be a way to secure to only devices you specify and deny all others, or not broadcast with BT, etc.. But then again I am not a BT expert in any sense...especially since my next phone will be my first BT phone.
    • It is also confirmed that the SD slot will NOT support a Wifi card at all. No Wifi or support for an addon for it. Not possible.
    • The ActiceSync does work really good.
    • The screen is really nice, clear, and bright.
    I also found out that the 6600 will not support EVDO. When asked why, he said that the the DO stands for Data Only, which does not include voice. Apparently EVDO will be for data only accounts, i.e. PCMCIA cards for your laptop. When asked if there will be a EVDO SD card, he said none that he is aware of.

    With this I have made my final decision to go with the PPC-6601 (withOUT the camera), which he did confirm it is being released released this next week and should be available next week. The PPC-6600 (with the camera) will not be released for another 4-6 weeks, a week or two before Christmas. He did not even know the difference in the price with the camera, but since it is a .3mp camera it is not a big deal for me. It could be up to $699, which even if it is only a $70 difference, that's the price of Wifi Card,which is something that I would use a lot more.

    Now, that I have made my decision, I cannot wait to be able to order it next week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    ... Then when the specs were confirmed that it would only have 32 mem and no Wifi ...
    Just a clarification on memory. I keep reading 32 mb references here and there, but you may be transposing the numbers: note that the 650 will only have 23 mb. I've seen reps' sheets and Mossberg reported as much in a review.
    You may be right; I may be crazy. But, the Treo may be just the device I've been looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodolfo
    Just a clarification on memory. I keep reading 32 mb references here and there, but you may be transposing the numbers: note that the 650 will only have 23 mb. I've seen reps' sheets and Mossberg reported as much in a review.

    To be accurate. The Treo will have 32 mb of memory. Of which only 23M is available (after OS, etc.) for user apps.

    Hope this clarifies...
    Roger
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    But Hobbes.

    Can you put a wi-fi card in the 6600? I don't think anyone has answered that question yet. You mention the limitations of the 650, but did not say if the 6600 can surpass those limitations (BT, wi-fi, etc).

    Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLewis
    To be accurate. The Treo will have 32 mb of memory. Of which only 23M is available (after OS, etc.) for user apps.

    Hope this clarifies...
    Ok, then it's the same 23 mb memory as the 600. Thanks.
    You may be right; I may be crazy. But, the Treo may be just the device I've been looking for.
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    I hear that the phone is EV-DO but that sprint will disable it (especially since evdo is not ubiquitous right now). Which still means that the hardware is there and the limitation will be in the software, which may be bypassable or unlocked later on.

    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    But Hobbes.

    Can you put a wi-fi card in the 6600? I don't think anyone has answered that question yet. You mention the limitations of the 650, but did not say if the 6600 can surpass those limitations (BT, wi-fi, etc).

    Any thoughts?
    The previous version of this phone, the xda II, easily supported wifi cards.
    "The danger from computers is not that they will eventually get as smart as men, but that we will agree to meet them halfway." -Bernard Avishai
    "Computers are a lot like air conditioners - they both work great until you open windows." -Anonymous

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    yes wifi SDIO already available. just like how I am writing this on my pda2k using Wifi... you will find ease and freedom with this thing. no limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farzonalmaneih
    yes wifi SDIO already available. just like how I am writing this on my pda2k using Wifi... you will find ease and freedom with this thing. no limits.
    Are you using a CDMA version, such as Sprint? Can you get these in the US already, or did you get yours outside the country? What carrier are you using? Thank you for your help. Someone sent me a message saying that Sprint will disable the wi-fi capability of the pda2k, is this true?
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