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  1. #21  
    WHY has this thread been moved away from the Treo 650 hardware group? It is probably the most important information through the weeks of banter on this site that answers many of the questions people are asking.

    Where is it located? I can't even find this thread unless I go through my email link.
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    Are you using a CDMA version, such as Sprint? Can you get these in the US already, or did you get yours outside the country? What carrier are you using? Thank you for your help. Someone sent me a message saying that Sprint will disable the wi-fi capability of the pda2k, is this true?
    Sprint removed the built in WiFi that is on the GSM cousin of this phone. A WiFi SD card should work (I'd be surprised if it didn't) but an WiFi SD card should be completely unnecessary as Sprint should not have removed the built in WiFi to begin with. What a boneheaded decision. Corporate greed continues to hurt the end user.
  3. #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by DaleReeck
    Sprint removed the built in WiFi that is on the GSM cousin of this phone. A WiFi SD card should work (I'd be surprised if it didn't) but an WiFi SD card should be completely unnecessary as Sprint should not have removed the built in WiFi to begin with. What a boneheaded decision. Corporate greed continues to hurt the end user.
    I agree and that is probably why I will switch from Sprint to AT&T. Is the pda2k available in the US for any carrier yet? I would love to walk in and play with one today.
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    I agree and that is probably why I will switch from Sprint to AT&T. Is the pda2k available in the US for any carrier yet? I would love to walk in and play with one today.
    OH HELL, this thread will probably be moved to the AT&T group now since I mentioned switching to AT&T (even though it is about the limitations of Sprint).
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal
    I stopped in a Sprint store today and asked about the status of the Treo 650 and the PPC-6600.

    During small talk while she looked in the computer she asked what I do, and when I told her I got the best service ever. In fact when she could not find the details in the computer she said hold on a minute, made a call and handed me her personal cell phone with the National Sales Manger with Sprint on the other end.

    I talked to him for about 35 minutes or so. Here are some of the facts, at least the ones I feel I can share in a public forum, that finalized my decision to go with the PPC-6601 (which I leaned sprint's code name for the 6600 is Harrier) and to wait and see what wonders the Treo 700 will bring our way a year from now:
    • Confirmed the 650 will be available on the 15th of November.
    • It has also been confirmed, despite statement and rumors otherwise, that BT WILL BE crippled to just a headset and one or two other devices. When asked if even a BT GPS unit will be supported, he was not 100% but confident that it will not. He stated that this has to do with security reasons. Which after some recent articles I have read to the vunerabilitis of BT, I could understand that...but I would think there would be a way to secure to only devices you specify and deny all others, or not broadcast with BT, etc.. But then again I am not a BT expert in any sense...especially since my next phone will be my first BT phone.
    • It is also confirmed that the SD slot will NOT support a Wifi card at all. No Wifi or support for an addon for it. Not possible.
    • The ActiceSync does work really good.
    • The screen is really nice, clear, and bright.
    I also found out that the 6600 will not support EVDO. When asked why, he said that the the DO stands for Data Only, which does not include voice. Apparently EVDO will be for data only accounts, i.e. PCMCIA cards for your laptop. When asked if there will be a EVDO SD card, he said none that he is aware of.

    With this I have made my final decision to go with the PPC-6601 (withOUT the camera), which he did confirm it is being released released this next week and should be available next week. The PPC-6600 (with the camera) will not be released for another 4-6 weeks, a week or two before Christmas. He did not even know the difference in the price with the camera, but since it is a .3mp camera it is not a big deal for me. It could be up to $699, which even if it is only a $70 difference, that's the price of Wifi Card,which is something that I would use a lot more.

    Now, that I have made my decision, I cannot wait to be able to order it next week.
    First mistake is listening to Sprint personnel, that are hired by the pound, not by ability.

    Second would be making a determination based on that information.

    Third would be your rep needs to get his job back at Radio Shack.

  6. #26  
    I'm not aware of any gsm carrier that is currently selling this phone.
    I purchased mine off of cellularconcepts.com for use on the T-Mobile network. Gotta love the wifi!
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    #27  
    wifi is disabled on the US version of the 6600 no?
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    Just the sprint version. You can purchase the phone w/ wifi/camera for use on any of the US's GSM carriers.
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    #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    WHY has this thread been moved away from the Treo 650 hardware group?
    Where is it located? I can't even find this thread unless I go through my email link.
    Since the thread is about a non-Treo PDA phone, it's under Other Handhelds, Phones and Smartphones. Duh!
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    If the size and user interface works for you, I think the PDA2K is a great alternative to the Treo 650. It gives you a much bigger screen for web browsing and movie watching, and wifi is a real advantage for people that have access to wireless access points. Even though it is only a GPRS device, I am hearing nothing but good reports about download speed.

    On the other hand, the PPC6600 seems like a pig in a poke. There's no wifi; the rumor is that there's a conflict between wifi and the CDMA radio, which sounds like total BS to me, but would seem to rule out the SDIO solution to wifi as well. A conflict is a conflict. There's no guarantee that EVDO can be "turned on" later -- is the hardware to do so built in, or not? Even if the hardware is there, will it work with Sprint's EVDO network, or not? Even if it COULD work, would Sprint turn it on for you, or not? I would not spend the big bucks to buy this unknown quantity. If you've gotta have something now, I recommend you go with the PDA2K and switch to GSM.
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by rbright
    I agree and that is probably why I will switch from Sprint to AT&T. Is the pda2k available in the US for any carrier yet? I would love to walk in and play with one today.
    Yeah, when it comes to new phones, the CDMA carriers (Verizon, Sprint) are in the dark ages. I'm not sure what they are so scared of. While GSM providers had full function bluetooth phones for several years now, Verizon just got one recently (V710, crippled with no BT file access). Sprint had a "secret" one, the T608, for a while, but the Treo 650 will be their first that people can get easily (and of course its crippled, at least at first).

    GSM providers have been providing decent BT equiped phones for a while and now WiFi capable phones are becoming available. And if there is a phone you can't get in the US, you can get it overseas and plug it right in.

    I think the big CDMA carriers are becoming afraid of the GSM companies. GSM has always had better phones - worldwide capable too - and now they are catching up in data speeds with EDGE technology. Pricing on GSM is cheaper in most cases too, especially data pricing. Plus, AT&T's merger with Cingular has made them the largest cellular company in the US (sorry Verizon). The CDMA carriers are beginning to run scared. CDMA still has better coverage in a lot of areas, but GSM is catching up. If it wasn't for GSM's growth in the US, we probably wouldn't even be seeing phones like the Treo 650 and HTC 6600. Unfortunately, CDMA carriers attempts to even now cripple these phones is becoming a hard habit to break for them.
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    #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by outz
    Just the sprint version. You can purchase the phone w/ wifi/camera for use on any of the US's GSM carriers.
    Sprint is culpable for a lot of things, but removing the WiFi from their version isn't one of them. The maker (HTC) does not make a CDMA version with WiFi; only the GSM version. Not in the US (the Audiovox PPC6600 for Sprint and Verizon), not in Australia (the Imate PDA2K CDMA) and not in the original version for China's Unicom (the Daxian CU 928). They are all the same phone: no WiFi, but with EVDO. I am not saying that I don't think that there should have been WiFi in the CDMA version, I am just saying that Sprint isn't to blame.

    The other difference between the GSM version and the CDMA version is that the CDMA camera has a flash and the GSM version does not. Why? I have no idea.
    Jeff
  13. #33  
    But don't phone makers often spec out their devices on the recommendation of the carriers they will be selling to? I would think that before a phone maker spends $millions developing a new model, they will want assurances that at least one carrier is going to buy it.
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    Well... you can always add a WiFi SD card for a mere $60 or so. The >$200 price difference btw GSM and CDMA versions should cover that
  15.    #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by wolfbeast
    Well... you can always add a WiFi SD card for a mere $60 or so. The >$200 price difference btw GSM and CDMA versions should cover that
    Heck, this morning I just ordered a 256 mb Wifi SD card for $109 with $5 shipping. And yes it does support the Microsoft Windows Mobile 2003 for Pocket PCwith the PPC-6600:
    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.n...it.A/id.491/.f

    And a 1 gig Utra II 60x speed mem card:
    http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.n...it.A/id.583/.f

    I know there are 2 gb Utra II now, but thought by the time I run out of room on the 1 gig the 2 gig will drop a $100.
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman6
    Since the thread is about a non-Treo PDA phone, it's under Other Handhelds, Phones and Smartphones. Duh!
    The thread is ABOUT Treo 650 Restrictions learned from a Sprint National Sales Manager.

    DUH!!!
  17. #37  
    Having used both Palms and PPCs (still own both the Treo 600 and an old Dell Axim), I see advantages and disadvantages to each.

    If the PPC-6001 supported EDGE with the old AT&T, I would probably switch to that when my contract with Sprint expires.

    I will definately be leaving Sprint then.

    At this point, if there was a more basic phone that supported EDGE and bluetooth, I think I would switch to that. I could then do like a former coworker, who bought a Palm with BT. Since I still tend to carry 2 devices, intent last spring to the contrary, I could get buy with carrying less this way. And not worry about compromises in each.
  18.    #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by DaleReeck
    Sprint removed the built in WiFi that is on the GSM cousin of this phone. A WiFi SD card should work (I'd be surprised if it didn't) but an WiFi SD card should be completely unnecessary as Sprint should not have removed the built in WiFi to begin with. What a boneheaded decision. Corporate greed continues to hurt the end user.
    I asked him specifically about this. Wifi actually took up a majority of our conversation. It is not Sprint, as all the CDMA phones from HTC for this model do not have Wifi built in, but yes, he said that that Wifi has no problem with the SD card on the 6600.

    He said that the main reason Sprint has made the decisions they have in the past is largely from security reasons and the fact of so many different wifi access points from so many companies, obviously refering to Hotspots...not home or office networking. He went on to say that since so many of the wifi carriers have merged leaving only 6 or so bottom line suppliers, that Sprint is working hard on offering Wifi, but wanted to do it so it was automatically covered by and giving you access through your Sprint account with no additional charges to you by Sprint or the other wifi supplier.

    That will be cool, but still think they (whoever is ultimately responsible for it i.e. manufacturers of carriers) should not hinder the technology through addons until that time.
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    EDIT: Accidental post...see real post below
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 11/05/2004 at 08:49 PM.
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    I called the National Sales Manager back today to follow up on our conversation yesterday, and verified that the 6600 is not yet available for customer distribution but only through business sales. But since Business Sales does not support the $150 rebate, he caught up with the Director of the Sprint stores and special ordered one for me through him so I could get the rebate. So, my 6600 should be in my hand Tuesday or Wednesday. He is even going to ship it to my hotel while I am on vacation next week.

    I also just bought a 256 mb Wifi SD card, 1 GB Ultra II, and looking to buy Voice Command that should arrive at the same time.

    PPC-6600 Total cost=
    Phone: $629-150 rebate = $479
    256 mb Wifi SD Card = $109
    1 gb Utra II 60x SD Card =$95 (which many of you already have)
    Voice Command = $29
    Money I got from Ebaying my Treo 600 two weeks ago = -$570
    Total = $142

    If got Treo 650:
    Phone: $599 -150 rebate = $449
    256 mb Wifi SD Card = $0 (doesn't support it...at least not yet)
    1 gb Utra II 60x SD Card =$95 (which many of you already have)
    Voice Command = $0 (doesn't support it...and haven't heard if it will)
    Money I got from Ebaying my Treo 600 two weeks ago = -$570
    Total = -$26 (meaning I would have made $26 upgrading to 6600)

    If you already have an SD card you can use, then subtract $95 from each. The phones themselves only have $29 spread between them.

    Even though I will not have a 650 to compare it to, as a Treo fan I will let you all know what I think after a day or two of playing with it.
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