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    Many of you know me. I have been around these forums since early 2003 when we were all on our Treo270/300's waiting for the 600 to release. We went though that tough month of October waiting day by day just to get our hands on one. hehe Anyway, I thought that a few of you might be interested in this review I wrote on HOFO.

    I wrote a review comparing pda2k & Treo600. Thought some people here might find it usefull:

    http://www.howardforums.com/showthre...hreadid=480707
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    beautiful comparison. . . the pictures are great. Man. . . After seeing that I thnk I have just been tipped over the fence! *sigh* too bad sprint isn't getting the camera version of the phone until december. . . though I hear it's EV-do capable. . . on the downside there is rumor that the ppc6600's won't have wifi, but we'll see.
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    all I can say is WOW! I thought I was a die hard T-man.
    I love the bundled software, but vga camera?
    what is one to do.
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    First I want to thank you for opening my eyes. I've been a diehard Treo addict since the T270 like you. After I read your review I knew I had to switch. Did more surfing to check on other reviews and I was even more completely sold. I had to forego the Treo 650!

    I was really excited and literally ready to place an order, but, wait a minute, this damn thing is a cool $1,000, even more than a brand new 12" iBook! I know it's a Rolls Royce and it should be very expensive but I cannot swallow that price, specially when I use it as a phone 90% of the time to close my Real Estate deals, not as a fancy PDA or multimedia device. Maybe those corporate execs can get their companies to buy it for them but I am paying this from my own bank account. So I'll pass for now until the price go down to the $500 level.

    Now back to the Treo 650 forums. I have only $500 to spend for another toy. Maybe next year.

    On a side note, after reading about the PDA2K, imagine what Smartphones will be like five years from now! Palm1 really need to get their act together. They will not survive if those PDA2Ks are priced lower.
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    i checked out the review and must say that im impressed with the depth of the review and the honest opinions that were shared. however i must disagree with the final opinion whole heartedly because of one thing. we all use treos (at least the large majority of us) and weve run it through its paces long enough to find small quirks and issues with the device which we now complain about constantly and are left frustrated over. however, the imate pda2k (which i use alongside the treo) will eventually exhibit for farzon equally important glitches which he didnt have the time to identify given the short amount of time he had to spend with it. im not saying the imate's faulty, far from it, but it has the expected amount of issues which arise whenever a product is initially launched, until the manufacturer comes around to releasing enough rom fixes , patches and hardware mods to make it rock solid, as we expect our smartphones to be.

    not that anyone really should care, but like i said, i have access to both devices and find myself using the imate only for multimedia whereas the treo is my trusty everyday everyminute device. if people are interested, i can maybe offer a similar yet totally opposite review of the imate pda2k and the treo 600... lmk
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    Quote Originally Posted by spacehog
    i checked out the review and must say that im impressed with the depth of the review and the honest opinions that were shared. however i must disagree with the final opinion whole heartedly because of one thing. we all use treos (at least the large majority of us) and weve run it through its paces long enough to find small quirks and issues with the device which we now complain about constantly and are left frustrated over. however, the imate pda2k (which i use alongside the treo) will eventually exhibit for farzon equally important glitches which he didnt have the time to identify given the short amount of time he had to spend with it. im not saying the imate's faulty, far from it, but it has the expected amount of issues which arise whenever a product is initially launched, until the manufacturer comes around to releasing enough rom fixes , patches and hardware mods to make it rock solid, as we expect our smartphones to be.

    not that anyone really should care, but like i said, i have access to both devices and find myself using the imate only for multimedia whereas the treo is my trusty everyday everyminute device. if people are interested, i can maybe offer a similar yet totally opposite review of the imate pda2k and the treo 600... lmk
    Yes. Good point of view (even though its not mine). Thats what is great about having multiple things on the market... OPTIONS. If you did another comparison it could only be benifitial, and I suggest it.

    I do agree that there are problems with the pda2k that have not revealed them self yet. No doubt there. What I can tell you is that I am a professional in the IT industry, and one of my primary jobs is to test things. I can tell you the outlook on the pda2k is strong. I suspect this will become the other "Treo" (or blackberry). In my opinion there are truelly 3 options now: the Treo 600, Blackberry 7000 series, and the PDA2k. If anyone were to ask my advice (corporate or home user) I would suggest the later 2. TODAY Treo just has too many problems (Most people I know have replaced their Treo's on a average of every 2-3 months).

    No doubt though, even with the problems the Treo600 is a wonderfull device. I would of kept replacing my Treo forever if Palm would of let me and there was no other competition. My warrenty is running out in November and its time to move on.
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    how does the MDAIII's keyboard compare? I was worried since the keys are flush to allow the sliding mechanism. I like the raised Treo keys for striking
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    PS, I hope that you review a T650 too since the T600 is already a year old
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    Quote Originally Posted by 100thMonkey
    PS, I hope that you review a T650 too since the T600 is already a year old
    This is just a review of what is available now. I try not to think of anything in the future when it comes to Treo's. After the last two dissapointments with the release timeframe (how could you ever forget), I decided that I would just wait until the device is actually released before getting excited about them.

    The keyboard is nice. There is a picture in my review. (pda2k, MDA III, Blue Angel, are all the same device)
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    it seems the problems with the treo are on an individual basis, as ive gone through about 6 of them (because everytime i got one of my own, i had to give it up to a customer who's treo was in for repairs.. ) and not a single one had any of the problems listed, except 1 of them had the bluish tint (but that was a handspring logo one and the lcd on the newer palmone branded treos is much better).

    as for options for smartphone devices, if you like the pda2k, wait till you get a hold of the imate jam. it's size'll knock your socks off. its sort of a keyboard less treo running on wince 2003. super small, and wifi expandable (i actually prefer not to have wifi built into the device cause adding the feature via sdio card gives you so much better range...)
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    Very nice review. Makes me really want to try it out. Spacehog: I would love to hear your comparison as well.

    I must be lucky; I still have my original Treo bought from Handspring (via their upgrade offer) last October and am not having any problems. (OK, now I just jinxed myself).

    I was wondering if Voice Connect came with the device, or did you buy it separately?

    Also, from everything I have seen and read, the Sprint version (and Verizon's as well) will be EV-DO, but will not have WiFi (probably a CDMA thing).
    Jeff
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    Nice review thanks for posting. Very impressive smart phone. I had a couple more questions.

    What about wifi? I seem to remember reading the pda2k has wifi. Does the pda2k support edge like the Treo 650? You mentioned the HP6315. Overall how does the pda2k compare to the HP6315? Where can the phone be purchased?
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    I'll throw my two cents in here. I've been an avid Treo user since the day the 300 came out on Sprint in August of 2002 and I have been in love with the product line since then. My T600 has served me well since last October, and I have virtually nothing negative to say about it. However, with the 650 on its way this fall/winter, I knew that I would be making some type of upgrade. I considered the 650 long and hard and, while this may sound illogical given my adoration of the 600, I ultimately decided to take a break from the Treo family. Quite frankly, the 650 is not enough of a change for me in terms of form factor and options to get my motor running.

    What I really want out of a smartphone (small "s" please) is simply not available yet -- that being (1) small, phone-like form factor (preferably a flip phone) combined with (2) top-of-line PDA options. Maybe the Moto MPX will come close, but I have my doubts. So I figured that if what I want is not out there right now, I will have to compromise. I decided to give up some PDA options and give myself over completely to form factor by trying the Moto MPX220. That experiement lasted about three days. While tiny and very phone-like, the thing is not at all usefull as a PDA and, quite frankly, I found it to be a piece of crap in terms of build quality. I had numerous freezes, problems with software installation and major issues with earpiece and microphone quality. Not to mention Moto customer support was incredibly poor. Back to the store it went.

    Since there is nothing else on the market in a PDA/flip style (the Samsung i550 is supposedly delayed until March of 2005), I have now decided to go the entirely opposite direction and get the PDA2k. My thinking is this: if I am going to be carrying around a brick (and let's face it, the Treo is not that much smaller than the PDA2k as the pics on HoFo reveal), it might as well be a brick with a big-*** screen and every option I could possibly want (or care about) with the lone exception of Edge. I'm especially excited about WiFi and can't wait until my device arrives!. The reviews on HoFo have just been unbelievable -- I haven't seen such uniformly rave reviews and excitement from a group of informed users and techies in quite a while.

    So, after about 5 years as an avid Palm user, I guess I'm giving "the enemy" another go (I did have a Philips Nino Windows CE device a long, long time ago). I'm really excited about having something "different" and I guess that is what it all boils down to for me. Different and exciting. For me, I just couldn't get myself excited about the 650 cause it just seemed like a dressed up 600. Regular visitors to this site are pretty much all gadget freaks, and if we are going to be spending the amount of money that these devices cost, we should all be damn excited about our purchases. I know many people here are as giddy about the impending release of the T650 as I was about the 300 and 600, and that's great!!! I know you will love the product and I'm going to miss stopping by this site first thing every morning. Hopefully, my PDA2k experience will be equally as satisfying. Nevertheless, in the ever-changing world of technology, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if another Treo is in my future somewhere down the line. Who knows, maybe I'll come crawling back with my tail b/n my legs carrying a T650 in a few months!

    Thanks to everyone here who has informed and assisted me over the last few years, and to all of the developers who have come up with these amazing ways to make the Treo more useful (Brightcam -- Wow! What an idea!; Marc at Chatter -- the best product support in the universe; the people over at Snapper, etc.). You all are unbelivable!

    David
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    Farzon (or anyone) -- how does the size of the PDA2k compare to an HP4100? The pics (nice by the way) you posed on your review show that the device is only slightly larger than the Treo, but qualitatively, how does it feel when in use as a phone? Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matchtrader
    Farzon (or anyone) -- how does the size of the PDA2k compare to an HP4100? The pics (nice by the way) you posed on your review show that the device is only slightly larger than the Treo, but qualitatively, how does it feel when in use as a phone? Thanks in advance.
    I just told a co-worker that I think that I don't want any of my future phones to be any smaller. Once you get used to the screen you really don't want it any smaller. It doesn't feel big in your hand, on your ear, or in your pocket. I can see future enhancements like being lighter and bulletproof (ability for it to drop on the ground a few times.. )
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    This is a great thread, and unusually flame-free for T-Central!!

    Great review, and many good comments.. my 2 cents worth is this;

    I have an XDA2 (which is virtually the P2K but without the slide-out keyboard, have had it 6months), an HP6315, and a near-dead Treo270 (waiting for the T650!)

    I like the XDA2, but things that personally bug me are the battery life, when you use push email or make a lot of phone calls, you will get one full day out of, but don't try and stretch it to 2!! And when PocketPCs get to 30% battery you are very close to hibernation... and then full reset! D'oh!!

    And the size/weight of the XDA2 (same as P2K) - it's a whopper!! Very heavy in the pocket, and a tad embarrassing to talk on..
    Camera in the XDA2 is only 0.3Mpixel, so if the T650 really is 1.3Mpix I'll be delighted!
    HP6315 is a bit smaller than the XDA2, but I'm still hoping the T650 will be the winner! I will keep an eye out for the JAM too..

    The other thing in Treo's favour is that Palm have licenced the RIM email client. I've heard rumours that PocketPC is close to doing this, but they have not done so yet. I think that since Blackberry is so widely installed for corporates, this will be a major plus.

    Cheers all,
    James.
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    Is the PDA2K even avail on US networks? I use Sprint...
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    There are gsm models awvailable that will work in the states.

    for cdma, like you, you will need to wair, sprint is supposedly releasing the cameraless version here in the next couple weeks and the camera version early december.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farzonalmaneih
    I just told a co-worker that I think that I don't want any of my future phones to be any smaller. Once you get used to the screen you really don't want it any smaller. It doesn't feel big in your hand, on your ear, or in your pocket. I can see future enhancements like being lighter and bulletproof (ability for it to drop on the ground a few times.. )

    Thanks. I am quite interested in this device phone but have been waiting to hear more about the MpX as well. For me, the lack of wi-fi in the 650 is the only thing holding me back as I do like the form factor slightly better. All in all, I am confused, but thanks for your helpful review.

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    let's not forget the I-Mate JAM that t-mobile is releasing next month...
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