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  1. #61  
    PurpleX has not used any of these devices, and definetly has not used the Treo 600, or she would know that many of her points are wrong.

    Phone numbers are intuitively highlighted on the Treo 600's screen in Blazer, e-mail clients, and other docs that allow you to select the number, with the 5 Way Nav, and give you the option to dial the number. URLS are done in a similar way. I have had voice dialing before, and stopped using it after having to say the name about three times every time to get the phone to call.

    Few of the points are valid like the Treo should have voice recording.

    BT and Camera are musts in some of here posts, but the MPX200 can have an exception, and is better than the Treo. HS is a small company that can't afford to do anything, but according to her can buy favorable reviews. MS has a better relationship with TI because of the great WANDA, even though none are selling WANDA's and HS is obviously commited to TI's OMAP line and is selling devices using it. Microsoft requires beefier hardware in the devices to run games and multimedia apps appropriately, the PPC devices have to use this hardware, therefore Palm is in the stoneage because they work just fine on slower processors, and less RAM (I guess MS is better than Linux/UNIX too, NOT). Their is absolutely zero consitency in any of the arguements in different threads from here other than that Palm/HS sucks.

    Unfortuenately the administrators are aware of the constant trolling by PurpleX and have indicated to me at least that
    If people would stop attacking her, then it would be fine.
    . So lets all just stop "attacking her", let her pollute the boards with anti-Treo, anti-Palm, pro vaporware rhetoric so that people interested in learning about the Treo line can get redirected to some MS site and/or be mislead about what the Treo can/can't do by someone who has never used either one.
  2. purpleX
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    #62  
    Okay so now that somebody is calling the bluff about this 'amazingly well integrated' device. Nobody can't provide concrete advantage and get all mad and spouting all sorts of marketing spin.

    come on eh? snapper mail capability? one hand operation? Those are the fame 'amazingly well integrated' device?
  3. #63  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    PSRC customer base is not large enough to give them the freedom to do whatever they want with licensing. The health of Palmone is paramount to the survival of the whole 'palm economy'.

    PSRC is in the exact connondrum as Apple was in the 80's. Too small to adopt wintel free for all models, but not large enough to be able to keep ahead in the innovation curve in all aspect of the product.

    The whole thing collapsed into a niche market.
    PalmSource is a small company, sure enough. And PalmOne is its largest customer (right now). But it doesn't have to STAY that way. If PalmOne goes under for whatever reason, there is no reason why PalmSource cannot continue.

    The business model for PalmSource is to LICENSE the OS to companies. PalmSource has to make companies BESIDES PalmOne realize that PalmSource is in the market to provide an OS to EVERYONE, not just PalmOne. It's a matter of perception in the marketplace...and PalmSource should work to ensure that other companies KNOW that PalmSource is a viable platform on which they can run.

    PalmSource is NOT in the same position that Apple was in during the 80s. Your analogy has a flaw. PALM was like Apple. Palm was a company that had a hardware platform AND an operating system. Those two items depended on each other under Palm's business model. This is the same model that Apple runs under.

    But now, UNLIKE Apple, Palm has split and realized that the operating system is the driving force behind the user experience and acceptance of the device. What makes an Apple Macintosh a Macintosh? The OPERATING SYSTEM, not the hardware. Consequently, what makes a Palm handheld a "Palm"? The OPERATING SYSTEM, not the hardware.

    Apple's problems weren't because of their size or lack of money. The reason they became a niche market is because they waited too long to try to license the operating system and let greed prevent the platform (OS) from becoming more mainstream. Apple's attitude was that if we can't control ALL aspects of the Macintosh experience, then no one will. They were unwilling to license the operating system to clone manufacturers because they feared the erosion of their hardware business. By the time they finally woke up and tried to license it, no one wanted it.

    Apple treated itself as a HARDWARE company FIRST and an OPERATING SYSTEM company SECOND. When you are in the business of producing BOTH, you have a problem with your business model because under those conditions, you cannot make your operating system an industry standard unless you also make YOUR hardware appeal to EVERYONE. It's a lot harder to do that than one would think. (Just ask the people in this forum. When it comes to hardware, everyone wants something different.) Customization is a lot easier with software than it is with hardware.

    So from Apple's lesson, Palm may have understood that if they want the Palm OS to become an industry standard, they need to separate their hardware business from their software business and allow each to do what it does best. Palm has just avoided what Apple failed to avoid: Hoarding the OS on a single-company-dominated hardware platform.

    Now that the Palm OS is "free" to exist on other hardware (if PalmSource does what they SHOULD do), it has the potential to take off and become an industry standard.

    The key will be to continue to provide innovation and growth in the operating system.

    For PalmOne, they will need to concentrate on making the hardware appeal to everyone. That means keeping up with technology, making the size, battery life, weight, viewability, aesthetics, etc. the BEST that they can be. But no matter what they do with the hardware, it won't be a "Palm" until it is running Palm OS.
    --Inspector Gadget

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  4.    #64  
    Originally posted by purpleX
    so I take it you dont' have anything concrete to show except start repeating marketing liner yet again.

    These are simple apps everybody could use, and has found usefull. They are not exotic, but treo does not have them.

    -notepad with audio recording capability,
    -email client that opens various files natively
    - .zip/.rar
    -more reliable browser,
    -voice dial...
    -better 'integrated' file utility.

    are you sure about your "amazingly well integrated device" claim? have you count tap, compare UI consistency, investigate feature integration etc.?

    (The fact you bring 'snapper' mail as an example of 'tight integration' is amusing enough. I am sorry to pop your illusion.)

    I mentioned SnapperMail because I knew you would bite. You've become as predictible as your trolees, ska/hoplites/purpleX. Go to their site (http://www.snappermail.com/palm/email/) and gaze in wonderment at it's tight integration. Does that frustrate you? Like how PalmOS actually integrates better with Word than PPC? Now you want RAR support? Is that because Zip is supported? Notepad with audio recording? As used by 0.0001% of PPC owners? "Better" browser? A download away. Voice dial? Who really uses this gimmick reliably? Is it a "must have" feature for you? Better integrated file utility? Sounds like you're running out of ideas. Again, if that's the best you can do, a dozen or so are a download away.

    This is the part where you post asking, "Why aren't all these features included instead of requiring separate downloads?"
  5.    #65  
    Originally posted by unixmonkey


    SONY will NEVER buy Palm! NEVER, NEVER.....NEV...NEV...NEVER I think most people on this thread like the idea of SONY buying Palm. But that is no guarantee it will happen.
    You are fortunately, mistaken and will soon see the error of your ways.
  6. #66  
    It's interesting that a lot of these posts make an assumption that Sony is coming from a position of strength. Just this week they announced 20,000 layoffs, including 7,000 in Japan (unprecedented). They're really hurting, and getting *really* desperate...

    Consumer electronics and their mobile tech have both been running at losses for years. The only thing that's been keeping them afloat is PS2 (and to a lesser degrees Sony Pictures) but even that's starting to sag.

    I have some ppt slides w/ division revenue/profit breakdowns, but not sure on the confidentiality of those, but here are some public #s/announcements:
    http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20031028S0017
    http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/s...,97648,00.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3092063.stm
  7. #67  
    Originally posted by The Ugly Truth


    You are fortunately, mistaken and will soon see the error of your ways.

    NOT BLOODY LIKELY!!!


    ...NEVER
    Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
  8.    #68  
    Originally posted by fwiffo
    It's interesting that a lot of these posts make an assumption that Sony is coming from a position of strength. Just this week they announced 20,000 layoffs, including 7,000 in Japan (unprecedented). They're really hurting, and getting *really* desperate...

    Consumer electronics and their mobile tech have both been running at losses for years. The only thing that's been keeping them afloat is PS2 (and to a lesser degrees Sony Pictures) but even that's starting to sag.

    I have some ppt slides w/ division revenue/profit breakdowns, but not sure on the confidentiality of those, but here are some public #s/announcements:
    http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20031028S0017
    http://business-times.asia1.com.sg/s...,97648,00.html
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3092063.stm
    Now that Sony Ericsson's major R+D efforts are completed, expect them to start generating significant profits in 2004. PS2 is still a huge money maker. They're lucky they dumped Mariah Carey when they did.
  9. #69  
    Originally posted by The Ugly Truth


    There are a number of other companies making Memory Stick. It will be around for a long time to come.

    like who? there are companies making memory sticks, yes... but Sony's the only who makes any devices that NEEDS memory stick. (not counting memory stick readers which are just support items)

    Compact Flash is still going strong despite what SD spin doctors keep trying to say. CF cards actually could easily be used in most consumer goods that now use SD cards. Except memory makers weren't making enough off an older, reliable format. New format = excuse to raise prices. What a concept!
    Yes, CF cards can be used in most products, but there is a whole range of small products that CF cards simply can't be in. Have you ever seen a CF card in a cell phone?
  10. #70  
    Originally posted by The Ugly Truth


    You are fortunately, mistaken and will soon see the error of your ways.
    Why don't you go out and buy some stock options in PalmSource on margin in wait for the big merger? You're bound to make tons of money!
  11. #71  
    Do you really think Manufacturers are switching to SD, xD, etc. from CF too make money? Imagine how much bigger and heavier the Treo would be if it used CF. This is the memory sticks biggest problem too is the size. It is only good if you exclusively buy Sony. SD is probably the second most universal format after CF, and will probably overtake CF since most small electronics are switching and because of SDIO. All of TI's OMAP line supports SD too.
  12.    #72  
    Originally posted by lnichols
    Do you really think Manufacturers are switching to SD, xD, etc. from CF too make money? Imagine how much bigger and heavier the Treo would be if it used CF. This is the memory sticks biggest problem too is the size. It is only good if you exclusively buy Sony. SD is probably the second most universal format after CF, and will probably overtake CF since most small electronics are switching and because of SDIO. All of TI's OMAP line supports SD too.
    SD's raison d'etre was to make more money for the media companies. It's size is a significant benefit primarily for the tiniest of devices. The Treo 600 wouldn't be a lot bigger with a properly-designed CF slot. SD will be replaced with even smaller formats, while CompactFlash will remain the intelligent choice for devices that value function over form. I wish Memory Stick was never invented and manufacturers would just stick with a single standard. CompactFlash, Smart Media, Memory Stick, SD, MMC, xD, etc., etc. It's all a little annoying.
  13.    #73  
    Originally posted by conflagrare


    like who? there are companies making memory sticks, yes... but Sony's the only who makes any devices that NEEDS memory stick. (not counting memory stick readers which are just support items)



    Yes, CF cards can be used in most products, but there is a whole range of small products that CF cards simply can't be in. Have you ever seen a CF card in a cell phone?

    Sony is such a major player that it doesn't really matter how many other companies jump on the bandwagon. Anything Sony supports is automatically a standard.

    A Treo 600 could have a CF slot. It's really not that hard. SD is used because size matter more to most consumers than functionality. I wouldn't be surprised to see a PPC smartphone with a CompactFlash slot.
  14.    #74  
    Originally posted by conflagrare


    Why don't you go out and buy some stock options in PalmSource on margin in wait for the big merger? You're bound to make tons of money!
    It's not worth it now. I should have bought when Palm was flirting with near penny stock status not too long ago. December should be the right time to sell.
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