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    Hi All,

    Major issue for Apple-Verizon users.

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    Jay

    iCloud, other features not available for Verizon iPhone

    7:04 AM CDT, June 7, 2011, CNNMoney

    iCloud, other features not available for Verizon iPhone - chicagotribune.com

    There was a surprising news tidbit buried in the fine print of Apple's splashy iTunes in the Cloud announcement on Monday: You can't get it right now if you have a Verizon iPhone.

    Apple made iTunes in the Cloud immediately available on any iPad, iPod Touch, PC, Mac or iPhone running the latest version of Apple's software. (Its full iCloud service will launch this fall.)

    And that's the problem: Verizon iPhone customers still haven't gotten the latest version of the iPhone software that was released to AT&T customers in March. In fact, AT&T iPhone customers have gotten three minor updates since then, and they're running iOS version 4.3.3. Verizon customers are still stuck on version 4.2.8.

    It's not clear why the Verizon iPhone has been delayed. The Verizon and AT&T iPhone 4 devices are essentially identical, except for the Qualcomm chipset that exists inside the Verizon version. That chip is designed to work on Verizon's network, which is incompatible with AT&T's.

    But Verizon's iPad, which also has a Qualcomm chip inside, received the update for iOS 4.3 along with the AT&T iPad.

    Apple, Verizon, AT&T and Qualcomm all declined to comment.

    Verizon customers are used to being second-class iPhone citizens. It took them four years to get their hands on the device in the first place, as AT&T held an exclusivity contract with Apple for U.S. customers since the device debuted in 2007.

    ITunes in the Cloud allows users to automatically push songs they purchased in iTunes to all other devices that run the latest version of iTunes.

    It's separate from Apple's iTunes Match announcement, which will debut later this fall as part of its iCloud. With that service, users will be able to access up to up to 20,000 songs from their entire iTunes libraries -- including those songs not purchased on iTunes -- on all of their devices for a fee of $25 per year.

    Apple has not yet said whether all iPhone users will receive the update at the same time.
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    I'm sure Verizon is hearing the complaints now.

    That being said, I expect Verizon to support their "flagship" iPhone with an update much much faster than Pre2 owners are having to wait, I don't see this as much of an issue, merely a minor inconvenience.
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    Welcome to our world. {Jonathan}
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    Just shocking that Verizon is behind other carriers on updates. lol. The update engineers probably spend all their time on Android updates. ha-ha
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    atleast vzw doesn't discriminate...when it comes to updates.

    but I bet iphone gets updated before any webos device on vzw.
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    Wow, Verizon is a bunch of crooks. I can't believe this.. they delay updates on every dang phone. !%@$ you, Verizon! *shakes fist*
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    If iPhone wasn't AT&T's top selling phone, there'd be delays on their end too. They delay everything until they feel like it. This duopoly will be horrible for consumers.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    iCloud is only available to 4.3; Verizon currently runs 4.2.x (I forget the exact release version). The two separate phone models are on (or should say were on) different development branches regarding iOS, but they've been merged in iOS 5. The problem of the AT&T / Verizon iPhone being fragmented when it comes to OS releases/updates will be gone come next release.

    The carriers have no part in iOS updates, it's all Apple. There's no approval on the carriers end, no middle man like you see with webOS and Android.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    iCloud is only available to 4.3; Verizon currently runs 4.2.x (I forget the exact release version). The two separate phone models are on (or should say were on) different development branches regarding iOS, but they've been merged in iOS 5. The problem of the AT&T / Verizon iPhone being fragmented when it comes to OS releases/updates will be gone come next release.

    The carriers have no part in iOS updates, it's all Apple. There's no approval on the carriers end, no middle man like you see with webOS and Android.
    Hang on - are you sure? The carriers should have influence over this based on their approval or non-approval of the impact of the new release on their network. The code is not OTA distributed (iOS 5 changes that) but they have to be consulted don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclevanya View Post
    Hang on - are you sure? The carriers should have influence over this based on their approval or non-approval of the impact of the new release on their network. The code is not OTA distributed (iOS 5 changes that) but they have to be consulted don't you think?
    That's certainly the way it works in the webOS world.

    Personally I like the CDMA protocol better than GSM, but it's these kinda shenanigans that make me want to buy an unlocked GSM device so that I can get service from my service provider and deal with hardware/software from my device provider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    iCloud is only available to 4.3; Verizon currently runs 4.2.x (I forget the exact release version). The two separate phone models are on (or should say were on) different development branches regarding iOS, but they've been merged in iOS 5. The problem of the AT&T / Verizon iPhone being fragmented when it comes to OS releases/updates will be gone come next release.

    The carriers have no part in iOS updates, it's all Apple. There's no approval on the carriers end, no middle man like you see with webOS and Android.
    AT&T is suspected to have held up features Apple wanted to implement a lot sooner. People on other carriers were ****ed.

    While it's true that Apple holds the cards, AT&T had some of it's own at the time when it was exclusive in the US.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unclevanya View Post
    Hang on - are you sure? The carriers should have influence over this based on their approval or non-approval of the impact of the new release on their network. The code is not OTA distributed (iOS 5 changes that) but they have to be consulted don't you think?
    Apple has never worked with the carriers regarding updates. They've never given up that kind of control to anyone. I'm not sure how the OTA updates will work regarding carriers; maybe they're WiFi only, I'm not sure but you can almost guarantee it won't require the carriers approval.

    In the past, how do you think Apple has rolled out updates to the iPhone and it be available at the exact same time to every iPhone-owning customer worldwide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    AT&T is suspected to have held up features Apple wanted to implement a lot sooner. People on other carriers were ****ed.

    While it's true that Apple holds the cards, AT&T had some of it's own at the time when it was exclusive in the US.
    Sure, carriers have some influence and even the ability to prevent or persuade certain features that make heavy use of their infrastructure/network, but as far as the updates themselves go, they don't go through a formal approval process like you see on other platforms.

    The carriers don't touch the iOS software like they do on other platforms, installing their own custom apps, settings, etc.
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    You know, Verizons speed, or lack there of, in rolling out updates is the 1 thing that has be worried about possibly jumping from Sprint to Verizon.
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    I think it's rather strange for Verizon to be treated this way. Apple had to know people wanted a CDMA iPhone, it was evident to anyone who reads tech. They provided that, but are now not supporting it properly?? Therefore I suspect it may indeed be Verizon doing something on their end.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    If carrier approval was not required, then VZW's iPhone would not be experiencing a delay. Would it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    I think it's rather strange for Verizon to be treated this way. Apple had to know people wanted a CDMA iPhone, it was evident to anyone who reads tech. They provided that, but are now not supporting it properly?? Therefore I suspect it may indeed be Verizon doing something on their end.
    Well, we could also compare it to how long it took Apple to finally get the iPad up to the same version number as the iPhone/iTouch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syndil View Post
    If carrier approval was not required, then VZW's iPhone would not be experiencing a delay. Would it?
    Read above: different development branches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    I think it's rather strange for Verizon to be treated this way. Apple had to know people wanted a CDMA iPhone, it was evident to anyone who reads tech. They provided that, but are now not supporting it properly?? Therefore I suspect it may indeed be Verizon doing something on their end.
    Actually, the Verizon model had WiFi tethering before its AT&T variant when the VZW iPhone first launched. They're not leaving it high and dry but most likely waiting for the branches to be merged instead of releasing another fairly large update (in terms of bandwidth expenditure, etc.) for just a beta feature.
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    By the way, according to Jon Gruber:

    A well-informed little birdie tells me that Apple’s phone carrier partners around the world found out about iMessages when we did: during today’s keynote.
    Just to give you an idea of how much carrier approval Apple needs.
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