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    I think this may be possible. Microsoft would get around 15million user and it would get the government and corporate user.
    Microsoft owning RIM would be sweet.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/t...ow/8175119.cms

    Microsoft could buy BlackBerry: Analysts

    TORONTO: With its newly launched PlayBook tablet failing to make a splash and this week's bold announcements about updating its aging smartphones not enthusing investors, speculation has begun that Microsoft may soon buy BlackBerry maker Research In Motion (RIM).

    The speculation has been triggered by the presence of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer at RIM's BlackBerry World annual conference of customers, developers and partners in Florida this week.

    Though RIM unveiled new thinner BlackBerry Bold 9900 and 9930 smartphones, multi-platform BlackBerry enterprise solution, a new BlackBerry operating system and announced to update its aging handset line-up at the annual gathering, the gloom has not lifted from the Canadian wireless giant.

    RIM stock, which started plunging after the company last week slashed its quarterly outlook on lower sales, has found few takers, prompting analysts to say that the company that virtually invented the smartphone is in terminal decline and ripe for takeover.

    They cite the presence of the Microsoft CEO at BlackBerry World conference as a hint of the obvious happening in the next few months.

    These analysts say that if market value of RIM -- about $24 billion -- keeps sliding at the current rate, the BlackBerry maker will soon be reduced to just $15 billion.

    "Microsoft (currently) has $48 billion in cash. If RIM's value drops to $15 billion, it will become an attractive target for Microsoft. Maybe Steve Ballmer was planting that seed during his keynote appearance at Blackberry World," Harry Wang, director of mobile research at Parks Associates, told the premier PC Magazine.

    Moreover, with its main rival Apple now worth over $320 billion, analysts say the economies of scale will make the BlackBerry maker just uncompetitive against the world's largest technology company in terms of R&D spending.

    Furthermore, as computing has moved from desktop to laptop and now to smartphones and tablets, Microsoft has realised that it has to enter the mobile space quickly if it has survive. Towards this goal, it has launched Windows 7 Phone and just entered into a strategic tie-up with global handset market leader Nokia which will now adopt Windows 7 Phone as its main smart phone strategy.

    But if Microsoft ever have to take on Apple and Google in the mobile space, the software giant would need to target a hardware vendor giant like RIM which fits the bill because the BlackBerry maker will also bring its huge base of enterprise users to Microsoft.

    RIM's just announced partnership with Microsoft to adopt its Bing as the default search engine on its smartphones is an obvious hint of things to come in the next few months, say analysts.
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    Could Facebook surprise us all and buy RIM and get in the mobile market.
    That would also be sweet.
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    This is such speculation and makes little sense given the Nokia investment. The benefit of the RIM partnership is basically to gain search hits on Bing by BB users. Simple. Investing in Nokia to make WP7 hardware and then RIM makes little sense and rather redundant.

    I'd rather see Microsoft build out full (and I mean really full) Outlook and Office support for WebOS and take advantage of HP's ability to scale for consumers and business, plus gain Bing mobile users (not that I love Bing too much).

    My 2 cents.
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    Can Facebook buy RIM, that the question I have.
    Facebook is planning to buy Skype and next logical step could be mobile market.
    So RIM can be perfect target for them.
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    Skype is worth $2-3 billion vs. RIM is going to be worth $35-40 billion (including acquisition premium).
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    Dear Mr. Zuckerberg,

    Continue to make access to FB easy on all devices regardless of operating system. Don't make a dumb move by getting into hardware.

    Sincerely,
    dtreo
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    Buying RIM would be a bad move on Microsoft part. It's rare for Microsoft actually be good at creating or managing decent hardware, especially complex hardware. Microsoft is a software maker and the more likely goal for them would be to convince RIM to start using Windows Phone 7 and to drop BB OS altogether.
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    The only big company that should buy RIM --- is Cisco. Only the biggest Cisco router use QNX as their kernel, the rest of Cisco's product lines have a dozen different OS'es.

    Turf wars have prevented Cisco from unifying their OS'es. So the only way to win the turf war is to pay $40 billion for RIM --- and then Cisco would have the justification to unify the OS'es.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    Skype is worth $2-3 billion vs. RIM is going to be worth $35-40 billion (including acquisition premium).
    Could you just read the article properly. It clearly says when the stock price of RIM crash to 35$ and market Capitalization is 15$ billion dollar then only Microsoft will try to purchase it.

    See what happened to Yahoo when Microsoft was ready to pay 44$ billion dollar they refused now they are valued 24$ billion dollar.

    So RIM shouldn't act smart just let some company buy it out so that they could leave their loss making business quickly.
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    buying RIM in it's current state is a monster headache. One OS for one thing and their bread and butter on another with a time frame of a year or more to have everything in synch. RIM needs to clean house starting at the top.
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    Microsoft can buy RIM at any price --- they were willing to buy Yahoo at about $40 billion.

    I am talking about your wacky theory about facebook. Even if RIM's market cap goes down to $15 billion, it would still mean that the acquistion premium would push the final price to around $20 billion. Which is a lot different than Facebook thinking about buying Skype for $2-3 billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinsin07 View Post
    buying RIM in it's current state is a monster headache. One OS for one thing and their bread and butter on another with a time frame of a year or more to have everything in synch. RIM needs to clean house starting at the top.
    Too many cooks spoil the cake. Remove two CEO and have only 1 CEO. This company right now doesn't have a plan for the future.

    It has been 4 years but still they don't have any competition for iPhone, that says it all.

    And RIM was the father of smartphones, right now it feels like the are the great great great grandfather of smartphones.
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    But it is easy to understand the technical aspect of Nokia's and RIM's inability to create an iphone killer. Both Nokia and RIM have in-house bespoke RTOS that are missing a lot of pieces required to bring desktop PC-type software onto their platform. This is like trying to take the operating system that runs your car's ABS braking system and try to put a GUI on it --- it was never meant to have a GUI, so trying to put one on it is extremely difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    But it is easy to understand the technical aspect of Nokia's and RIM's inability to create an iphone killer. Both Nokia and RIM have in-house bespoke RTOS that are missing a lot of pieces required to bring desktop PC-type software onto their platform. This is like trying to take the operating system that runs your car's ABS braking system and try to put a GUI on it --- it was never meant to have a GUI, so trying to put one on it is extremely difficult.
    Yeah Right a small company like Palm could make a better product then RIM and Nokia.
    Technical difficulties is a bull**** reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPS View Post
    Yeah Right a small company like Palm could make a better product then RIM and Nokia.
    Technical difficulties is a bull**** reason.
    That's because Palm took an open source server OS kernel that has all the necessary parts and develop on top of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    That's because Palm took an open source server OS kernel that has all the necessary parts and develop on top of it.
    So you mean Nokia and RIM couldn't do it. They could have easily done what Palm did but they are big lazy companies, which did not care about the normal consumer.
    NOw see what is happening to both of them. Even Microsoft realized their mistake and developed a brand new OS.

    But RIM is over confident about their corporate client and will not listen to the normal consumer and in the end they will pay the price for it.

    Rest in Hell RIM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPS View Post
    So you mean Nokia and RIM couldn't do it. They could have easily done what Palm did but they are big lazy companies, which did not care about the normal consumer.
    NOw see what is happening to both of them. Even Microsoft realized their mistake and developed a brand new OS.

    But RIM is over confident about their corporate client and will not listen to the normal consumer and in the end they will pay the price for it.

    Rest in Hell RIM.
    They don't want to do it --- for legitimate business reasons.

    This is IBM's official stance on not embedding linux onto their hardware. Strassemeyer is one of the senior IBM scientists that briefs the IBM board of directors and all senior IBM executives on technology directions.

    "IBM afraid of working with GNU/Linux because of the risk of infringing a patent
    In an interview from 2002/02, a leading developper working for IBM explained some aspects of IBM's patent policy and its conflict with the policy of supporting GNU/Linux.

    Dr. Karl-Heinz Strassemeyer basically said:

    IBM does not ship any free software that infringes on patents.[1]
    IBM only submits patches to the Linux kernel after a formal procedure of patent clearance
    IBM does not do distributions because the risk of infringing a patent that way is too high.
    IBM does not deploy Linux in embedded systems of devices which it sells because someone might find that the kernel infringes on a patent and then sue IBM.

    As explained above, IBM has become a favorite target of specialised patent litigation companies. IBM attracts such companies more than any small Linux distributor at present."

    IBM and Software Patents

    If you are a small company that was dying --- like Palm did with their legacy PalmOS migration failures --- then it was worth it for Palm to embed linux on their hardware. Nokia and RIM took the IBM position --- until Nokia began to sink so fast that they did their own linux distribution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    They don't want to do it --- for legitimate business reasons.

    This is IBM's official stance on not embedding linux onto their hardware. Strassemeyer is one of the senior IBM scientists that briefs the IBM board of directors and all senior IBM executives on technology directions.

    "IBM afraid of working with GNU/Linux because of the risk of infringing a patent
    In an interview from 2002/02, a leading developper working for IBM explained some aspects of IBM's patent policy and its conflict with the policy of supporting GNU/Linux.

    Dr. Karl-Heinz Strassemeyer basically said:

    IBM does not ship any free software that infringes on patents.[1]
    IBM only submits patches to the Linux kernel after a formal procedure of patent clearance
    IBM does not do distributions because the risk of infringing a patent that way is too high.
    IBM does not deploy Linux in embedded systems of devices which it sells because someone might find that the kernel infringes on a patent and then sue IBM.

    As explained above, IBM has become a favorite target of specialised patent litigation companies. IBM attracts such companies more than any small Linux distributor at present."

    IBM and Software Patents

    If you are a small company that was dying --- like Palm did with their legacy PalmOS migration failures --- then it was worth it for Palm to embed linux on their hardware. Nokia and RIM took the IBM position --- until Nokia began to sink so fast that they did their own linux distribution.
    Wow man you keep on coming with some unrelated article and start defending RIM.
    But now after purchasing QNX, RIM can make WebOS like UI.

    You are right it is the fault of IBM and not of RIM or Nokia.

    People are dumb not to understand the evil mind of IBM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPS View Post
    Wow man you keep on coming with some unrelated article and start defending RIM.
    But now after purchasing QNX, RIM can make WebOS like UI.

    You are right it is the fault of IBM and not of RIM or Nokia.

    People are dumb not to understand the evil mind of IBM.
    It's not unrelated at all. You asked why Nokia and RIM didn't just grab the linux kernel and built on top of it --- like Palm did. Well, there are legitimate business reasons why they didn't.
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