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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    It's not unrelated at all. You asked why Nokia and RIM didn't just grab the linux kernel and built on top of it --- like Palm did. Well, there are legitimate business reasons why they didn't.
    So after purchasing QNX that reason ceased to exist.
    What bull**** are you talking about.
    RIM and Nokia were not capable enough to make a good UI, end of story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPS View Post
    So after purchasing QNX that reason ceased to exist.
    What bull**** are you talking about.
    RIM and Nokia were not capable enough to make a good UI, end of story.
    And the problem ceased to exist with the QNX acquisition. It is only 12 months since the QNX acquisition was announced. And it is only 5 months since RIM bought TAT.

    You shouldn't worry about QNX copying WebOS. You should be worrying about what kind of weird 3D UI is TAT putting on the Playbook and future blackberries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    And the problem ceased to exist with the QNX acquisition. It is only 12 months since the QNX acquisition was announced. And it is only 5 months since RIM bought TAT.

    You shouldn't worry about QNX copying WebOS. You should be worrying about what kind of weird 3D UI is TAT putting on the Playbook and future blackberries.
    Let see. The same way Touch 9xxx whatever was going to release in June, the same way Blackberry OS7 was OS6.1.

    You are 100% right that 3D UI of TAT would be good in the year 2048 and it would be launched by Microsoft as RIM would have died 27 years ago by then.

    Keep on blabbering about the future and be in self denial.
    You can't see the present but want to see the future.
    RIM ******* are in self denial that their beloved company is having a slow and horrible death.
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    We are at an age where Chrome is what version 11 now. Numbering system has gone wacky for everybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    And the problem ceased to exist with the QNX acquisition. It is only 12 months since the QNX acquisition was announced. And it is only 5 months since RIM bought TAT.

    You shouldn't worry about QNX copying WebOS. You should be worrying about what kind of weird 3D UI is TAT putting on the Playbook and future blackberries.
    Why should we worry at all what RIM does? You keep talking about future things, you might as well bring out the 2012 card. QNX/TAT/ROTS/POSIX or whatever other acronym you want to through in there right now don't mean squat. Nobody's interested in buying RIM products except maybe corps and even they are exploring other options. For the everyday Joe RIM holds no excitement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAPS View Post
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    RIM ******* are in self denial that their beloved company is having a slow and horrible death.
    Which will be accelerated by HP Touchpad and iOS 5.

    It's too bad Microsoft cant handle a RIM acquisition. They will muck it up. You will see this with the Nokia deal. If HP didn't already have webos RIM might of worked out nice. Well who cares, it's a Canadian company anyway.
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    Gentlemen...

    What does any of the above have to do with Microsoft buying RIM???

    Back ON topic:

    I think its a real possiblity, IF RIM does wind up with financial problems. They are cash flow positive and profitable now, though, so I see no need for such speculation.

    If, on the other hand they do become financially unstable, I suspect MS, HP, Google and a few other companies would be VERY interested in the "spoils".

    Last edited by LCGuy; 05/06/2011 at 03:57 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sinsin07 View Post
    Why should we worry at all what RIM does? You keep talking about future things, you might as well bring out the 2012 card. QNX/TAT/ROTS/POSIX or whatever other acronym you want to through in there right now don't mean squat. Nobody's interested in buying RIM products except maybe corps and even they are exploring other options. For the everyday Joe RIM holds no excitement.
    All the shortcomings of the Playbook are just lack of first party --- very important --- apps like email app. But they are just apps. The OS and all the plumbing is done.

    What people on this forum should worry about is that webos lost the bragging rights to the multitasking claim. If developers want to make money, they will code for ios. If developers have some sort of political view for open source, they will code for Android.

    If developers want the bragging rights of having the most fastest, most powerful, smallest footprint farting apps --- that will fart randomly in the background --- they will code in C for QNX. These nuts used to code for webos because webos had the unparallel multitasking crown. These people understand in THEORY that embedded devices using a real embedded OS will function the best and they are seeing it in PRACTICE with the Playbook. Yes, their farting app ain't going to suddenly go light-speed in practice --- but bragging rights are bragging rights.

    How is HP going to attract developers if they can't give these people money, political views or bragging rights? We know what Microsoft is doing right now --- they are throwing money at mobile developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    All the shortcomings of the Playbook are just lack of first party --- very important --- apps like email app. But they are just apps. The OS and all the plumbing is done.

    What people on this forum should worry about is that webos lost the bragging rights to the multitasking claim. If developers want to make money, they will code for ios. If developers have some sort of political view for open source, they will code for Android.

    If developers want the bragging rights of having the most fastest, most powerful, smallest footprint farting apps --- that will fart randomly in the background --- they will code in C for QNX. These nuts used to code for webos because webos had the unparallel multitasking crown. These people understand in THEORY that embedded devices using a real embedded OS will function the best and they are seeing it in PRACTICE with the Playbook. Yes, their farting app ain't going to suddenly go light-speed in practice --- but bragging rights are bragging rights.

    How is HP going to attract developers if they can't give these people money, political views or bragging rights? We know what Microsoft is doing right now --- they are throwing money at mobile developers.
    You keep saying what people should be a worried about. The only worry here is will RIM survive. They being closed in on all sides, in the corp, in the street.
    Your too deep into the OS. You should lift your head and see what people are buying.

    Developers want to get paid. They will do that on the platform which can feed them, bragging rights be damned.
    The proof is in the pudding. Right now, the Playbook is a device that depends on another device to get full functionality. Stupid stupid stupid idea. Yeah yeah, down the road it will be different. Meanwhile developers will look elsewhere.
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    The current HP CEO didn't buy Palm --- it was a Mark Hurd idea. A couple of bad launches and you may see what Cisco did to Flip.

    It is pretty close to unanimous agreement on Wall Street that HP should copy IBM --- jettison low margin hardware businesses. And the current CEO came from SAP --- he understands HP's $14 billion acquisition of EDS a lot more. You think that HP is going to care about a $1.2 billion Palm acquisiton when they are continuously hunting to acquire $10-20 billion consulting business.

    Of course developers want to get paid and RIM's app store is still 2nd place in terms of revenue --- and shared by a lot fewer competition. Tell me how HP is going to attract developers --- no money, no political angle, and no bragging right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    The current HP CEO didn't buy Palm --- it was a Mark Hurd idea. A couple of bad launches and you may see what Cisco did to Flip.

    It is pretty close to unanimous agreement on Wall Street that HP should copy IBM --- jettison low margin hardware businesses. And the current CEO came from SAP --- he understands HP's $14 billion acquisition of EDS a lot more. You think that HP is going to care about a $1.2 billion Palm acquisiton when they are continuously hunting to acquire $10-20 billion consulting business.

    Of course developers want to get paid and RIM's app store is still 2nd place in terms of revenue --- and shared by a lot fewer competition. Tell me how HP is going to attract developers --- no money, no political angle, and no bragging right.
    Well since you like to talk about the future, here is the future for RIM's app store:

    Google Android Market on the Rise
    Making a serious bid for consumer dollars, however, is Google’s Android Market, which will see the fastest growth in 2011. Android Market revenue will soar 295.4 percent this year to $425.36 million, on its way to become the second-largest application store.
    The ascension of Google Market to runner-up position means a fall in ranking for last year’s second-place finisher, Research In Motion (RIM). This year, the BlackBerry App World will finish third with expected revenue of $279.11 million. Despite 69.2 percent growth in 2011 that will rival Apple’s App Store revenue expansion, BlackBerry App World will have the fewest downloads, numbering about 772.2 million, compared to a staggering 10.3 billion downloads for the Apple App Store and 5.8 billion downloads for Android Market.

    Notice the projected app downloads? RIM is not even in the billions. Why is this? RIM has not traction. Businessmen don't download apps in droves. And most business men I see in NY have an iPhone/Android in addition to a corporate owned BB. The BB is no fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    All the shortcomings of the Playbook are just lack of first party --- very important --- apps like email app. But they are just apps. The OS and all the plumbing is done.

    What people on this forum should worry about is that webos lost the bragging rights to the multitasking claim. If developers want to make money, they will code for ios. If developers have some sort of political view for open source, they will code for Android.

    If developers want the bragging rights of having the most fastest, most powerful, smallest footprint farting apps --- that will fart randomly in the background --- they will code in C for QNX. These nuts used to code for webos because webos had the unparallel multitasking crown. These people understand in THEORY that embedded devices using a real embedded OS will function the best and they are seeing it in PRACTICE with the Playbook. Yes, their farting app ain't going to suddenly go light-speed in practice --- but bragging rights are bragging rights.

    How is HP going to attract developers if they can't give these people money, political views or bragging rights? We know what Microsoft is doing right now --- they are throwing money at mobile developers.
    Didn't RIM just show native email, calendar and full PIM for the playbook this week? It seems like they've addressed the initial playbook shortcomings.

    Plus, they have gestures.

    I think the Bold 9900/9930 will do pretty well in sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtreo View Post
    Didn't RIM just show native email, calendar and full PIM for the playbook this week? It seems like they've addressed the initial playbook shortcomings.

    Plus, they have gestures.

    I think the Bold 9900/9930 will do pretty well in sales.
    They actually aren't going to do it "natively" --- the Playbook will have "native Blackberry OS" email (i.e. java). Watch the demo, when he switched from native email app to native calender app (and to native contacts app) --- the native BB apps are run within the "Blackberry Player" (which is really the java vm on QNX).



    It works basically the same as the "Android Player" (which is really Dalvik vm on QNX).

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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    They actually aren't going to do it "natively" --- the Playbook will have "native Blackberry OS" email (i.e. java). Watch the demo, when he switched from native email app to native calender app (and to native contacts app) --- the native BB apps are run within the "Blackberry Player" (which is really the java vm on QNX).



    It works basically the same as the "Android Player" (which is really Dalvik vm on QNX).

    yeah right they will have all the apps in summer so poor people, whom have purchased playbook now will have to wait minimum 3 months for basic app, good work RIM.

    the only answer I get from RIM fan.boys is that everything is coming this summer, next summer, next year, the year after that and so on.
    Can we see some real action as compared to a flash presentation.

    RIM has promised a Email app by mid june let us see if they can fulfill that promise.

    Btw what happened to RIM beloved device name Touch 9xx whatever, wasn't it going to be released this june ohhhhh sorry like all things RIM is making it got delayed to August, good work RIM.

    RIM is full of bullsh*t promises and promises are meant to be broken. So enjoy your fantasy world RIM *******.

    Like it's product RIM is just delaying the inevitable of going bankrupt.

    Except for RIM ******* nobody is buying that piece of ***** device named Playbook.

    People are not dumb to spend 100$ more and get a virtual Android player instead of buying the real Android player Asus EEE Pad supporting Honeycomb.

    Btw nobody is answering my question, which version of Android is RIM supporting, I certainly think it is 2.3 or lower and no way it is Honeycomb.
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    It just means that the java vm on qnx is closer to release than people have realized --- which at the end of the tunnel, will bring the 20000 "legacy" blackberry apps to the Playbook.

    Google hasn't released the source code for Honeycomb yet, so RIM can't port it to the Playbook. It is not a virtual player-emulator --- it is a straight port. Dalvik is released under Apache 2.0, RIM can port it to QNX and keep the source code private. Google only has "restrictions" on Android phone manufacturers --- because these Android phones have gmail and google maps. RIM doesn't put gmail or google maps onto the Playbook, so Google has no way to restrict on what RIM does to the Dalvik engine.

    Instead of trashing RIM for porting Dalvik and stealing the hundreds of thousands of Android apps underneath Google --- you should be sounding alarm bells on HP on why they aren't doing the same thing. WebOS and Android both use linux as the kernel, so there is not much porting work involved. As long as WebOS doesn't use google maps --- HP can do whatever they want with Dalvik.
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