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    So, upon finding out that Apple has been secretly tracking their every movement, instead of being outraged that thier personal information was being collected (and at risk of being used unethically or criminally), and even possibly putting some people in danger, many Apple users think it's a cool new feature. ***???

    Gizmodo, the Gadget Guide
    Last edited by Saltcreep; 04/21/2011 at 11:53 AM. Reason: grammar
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    Another ^^^ example of a phone fan, not getting that every OS has a similar feature, including Palm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finngirl View Post
    Another ^^^ example of a phone fan, not getting that every OS has a similar feature, including Palm.
    it's not a feature, and the everbody does it argument does not change weather it is right or wrong.

    speaking of every other OS, I did not know webOS did this, and certainly have never heard such things about blackberry in the subversive sense.

    to be clear I mean the actual storring of a users location history on in a file that is on the device itself, as well as any computer it syncs too, and is not anonymized from a user but rather tied directly the the users account.

    I know webos phones home with location data, but storing it on device in a file that can be accesed by a thief is an extra layer of concern. That is my understanding of the story.

    I would not be entirely surprised if palm Rim or others were also storing such information on a file on the device, but I wouldn't be any happier about it.
    Last edited by windzilla; 04/21/2011 at 01:04 PM.
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    As far as I'm concerned, location tracking in and of itself is a good and very useful feature.

    Generating a history of all your tracked locations as far back as the creation of the world, i.e. a comprehensive profile of your every movement, is an orwellian atrocity.

    Leaving that history unencrypted for anyone interested to read out is a security nightmare.
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    Exactly, there's a huge difference.. GPS=good. Collecting cumulative unsecured clandestine tracking data on everyone who owns your product (whether you're doing something with it or not), violates privacy rights, trust and potentially compromises peoples' physical safety.

    I challenge the assertion that WebOS does this, and ask anyone with enough skills and interest to please verify.
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    Don't worry, based on how accurately my Pre Plus tracks my movement, nobody with a nefarious scheme would ever find us.
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    Palm has NEVER been accused of such a thing and I've been using Palm products for over a decade.

    Second, Google was recently busted for storing images of all activity on Android phones (browsing, email, etc)

    Lastly, if for some unknown reason webOS was doing anything nefarious, one group of people would have sounded the alert...

    ...The WOSI Team. So we can all rest easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickbgsu View Post
    Don't worry, based on how accurately my Pre Plus tracks my movement, nobody with a nefarious scheme would ever find us.
    LOL'd @ that. You must be on Verizon too, although mine is 100% accurate(with 0 tweaking to GPS on my part) since the 2.1.0 upgrade.
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    if the information is only accessible from the device itself, does it really matter that its been collecting data about your travels? pardon me if im missing something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cobrakon View Post
    Palm has NEVER been accused of such a thing and I've been using Palm products for over a decade.
    No?

    FYI: The Pre Reports Your Location to Palm | PreCentral.net | The #1 Palm Pre and Pixi Community
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    jetsetter, sounds like it's easily accessible from your backups if they are unencrypted. consolidated.db
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    If I recall correctly, there is option in metadoctor's Makefile to disable upload deamon (and yes, I remember it correct).
    On Android, there is also an option to disable this 'service'
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    All we need to know is the exact location on-device where they store our GPS information, then we can nuke that file to hell and they won't ever get that information.
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    Possible government abuse in action, this is why this is a bad idea on any device. Android's not exempt, but supposedly the info is less accessible.

    How police have obtained iPhone, iPad tracking logs | Privacy Inc. - CNET News

    Though according to this article, forensics can still get it on Android.

    Android phones keep location cache, too, but it's harder to access
    Last edited by The Phone Diva; 04/22/2011 at 09:57 PM.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    I think everyone needs to watch Steven Rambam's "Privacy is Dead - Get Over It". It's a huge eye opener about what information is being collected about all of us, and how easily accessible it is. The half hour he talks about Google is scary. It's a bit long, but well worth watching.



    -Skippy
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    Apple: Fascism (you do only what the Leader tells you to do, not more and not less! Jailbreaking is ILLEGAL! Do not doubt the Leader's power! If Leader wants a map of everywhere you've been in the last two years, that's a good thing! Hail the LeaderPhone! The one true phone! Hail!)

    Google: Socialism (look at all of our free services you don't have to pay for! we're even giving this operating system away for free! all we want in return is your soul... uh, your data. All of it. But we'd NEVER do anything nefarious with all the knowledge about you we have. Don't be evil, you know? But if you don't want us to know something you're doing, you shouldn't be doing it in the first place. But we're pluralistic! Just look at how many different versions of the one true operating system there are!)

    webOS: Non-Aligned Movement (we don't think that joining a bloc is helping anyone who joins the bloc - it only helps the leaders of the respective blocs. Both blocs think we're an inferior third world, and we're like seven countries [users] or something. People in the blocs think we're just a sh*thole for idiots who aren't visionary enough to join a bloc, but life in the blocs wouldn't be what it is without the imports they're getting from us - fruit, oil, natural resources / gestures, card metaphor, UI)
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    iphone bandwagon jumping is on the rise...Iphone4...facetime is I believe the only real difference...i know of one bar rat that carries an original iphone...doesn't even have any service..wavying it around...makes me laugh...don't get me wrong there are some that are real users...but it's rare
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    Quote Originally Posted by kataran View Post
    iphone bandwagon jumping is on the rise...Iphone4...facetime is I believe the only real difference...i know of one bar rat that carries an original iphone...doesn't even have any service..wavying it around...makes me laugh...don't get me wrong there are some that are real users...but it's rare
    I'm a real user and so are many others around me. Besides Facetime, iPhone 4 also has great screen resolution, good for those with eyes like mine.


    All this location data mining from both Apple and Google makes dumbphones look good again though, lol. Although the new ones also have GPS, so there's no guarantee there either.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    All this location data mining from both Apple and Google makes dumbphones look good again though, lol. Although the new ones also have GPS, so there's no guarantee there either.[/COLOR]
    no need for gps, it is enough to be connected to cell tower via phone radio to be monitored. in areas with dense towers, our location can be predicted with great precision.
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