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    Quote Originally Posted by The Phone Diva View Post
    The problem for RIM, how to keep IT happy along with consumers. They may have to split into divisions if they want to sell more. Consumers want things that IT will not allow for corporate devices and that's the reason why BB is as bland as it is.

    Look at it this way. Do you want to pay for your employees to watch TV and stream music or did you provide(or pay the bill) those phones for work? If IT would loosen up, RIM could be free to make better devices. Even on my phone(not a BES), permissions are required that are more stringent than Android's. Plus security checks on full reboots(which no other current phone requires BTW). That alone tells you that RIM is actually corporate.
    I have to disagree. RIM was actually in a prime position to appease both audiences, and simply ignored the consumer market. Unfortunately, business users are also part of the consumer market, and they begin to push the IT departments to provide more consumer oriented devices. RIM missed that boat, or at least, they're missing it so far.

    RIM could have offered all of those products on their devices, then allowed corporate the option of turning them on or off using BES (most corporate entities that are enamored with Blackberries use Blackberry Enterpries Server). Then "Corporate IT" would have been the folks in the hotspot for turning off the features, rather than RIM for not even offering them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hparsons View Post
    I have to disagree. RIM was actually in a prime position to appease both audiences, and simply ignored the consumer market. Unfortunately, business users are also part of the consumer market, and they begin to push the IT departments to provide more consumer oriented devices. RIM missed that boat, or at least, they're missing it so far.

    RIM could have offered all of those products on their devices, then allowed corporate the option of turning them on or off using BES (most corporate entities that are enamored with Blackberries use Blackberry Enterpries Server). Then "Corporate IT" would have been the folks in the hotspot for turning off the features, rather than RIM for not even offering them.
    So you mean RIM should have played a little hardball with their main customers which you know are corps, like it or not? I don't think they have it in them. They caved in to governments demanding surveillance on BBs.

    But looks like the PlayBook does break some long standing rules, which is good. Maybe things are finally starting to change. These days, it's a pain to carry one device for this and another for that.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    Nope. I have an iPhone 4.
    I don't think it's worth it to give the PlayBook a look then. Unless they drop that BB requirement for basic business services.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    No basic PIM apps until later?? Come on RIM!!! The only good thing is you won't need to use a BlackBerry all the time after all, when the software update happens. But they really need to get it out ASAP!

    http://crackberry.com/forums-blackberry-playbook-faq
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by rsanchez1 View Post
    If any of these products flop for HP, you'll most likely barely notice the effect on HP's stock.
    If HP has a couple of flops with Palm --- chances are a bunch of wall street analysts will advocate HP to copy IBM's business model. Stop making pc's, stop making laptops, stop making tablets, stop making smartphones...

    IBM got rid of a bunch of hardware divisions --- NOT because they were losing money, but because they weren't making a decent amount of money.
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    It would be idiotic for them to stop making laptops. That's part of their core bread and butter. And those DO sell.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by samab View Post
    If HP has a couple of flops with Palm --- chances are a bunch of wall street analysts will advocate HP to copy IBM's business model. Stop making pc's, stop making laptops, stop making tablets, stop making smartphones...

    IBM got rid of a bunch of hardware divisions --- NOT because they were losing money, but because they weren't making a decent amount of money.
    Then it will be the end of webOS, not HP. The difference with RIM and the Playbook is that RIM will be in big trouble if the Playbook flops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rsanchez1 View Post
    Then it will be the end of webOS, not HP. The difference with RIM and the Playbook is that RIM will be in big trouble if the Playbook flops.
    Regardless of whether the Playbook flops or not, this is a company that is still expanding at 30%+ year to year. QNX is a Commercial off the Shelf embedded RTOS --- right tool for the right job when they migrate to the blackberry phones.
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