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    Microsoft's October 11 event could involve slate device announcements, unicorn sightings -- Engadget

    Now that RIM has revealed the Playbook and if Microsoft makes a Windows 7 tablet announcement next week, will webOS bet the last tablet platform to arrive? CES 2911 is looking pretty late to make an announcement for a new tablet platform. Everyone's racing to get their product announcement out there except HP.
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    Announcements come second as to who makes it to market. Everyone seems to have the same vague "Q1 2011" frame.
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    Well, there's no question that the RIM Playbook is absolute vaporware right now. No hardware prototype running the OS was shown. Just videos. It's as if RIM showed us what they were planning to develop. It's like where Windows Phone 7 was when it was launched back in January but not as far along.

    It looks like Microsoft, RIM, and other tablet makers know that this holiday season will be a total iPad clean sweep and are trying to minimize the damage by giving their loyal users a glimpse of things to come. On TWIT this weekend, Leo Laporte said he thinks that the head of RIM basically decided to show what he wanted their tablet to look like and is challenging his company to build it.

    I find it hard to believe that HP doesn't feel the same pressure to go public with something soon no matter how half-baked. The difference may be that HP doesn't have a strong CEO with enough clout right now to stick his/her neck out by announcing a product that they haven't built yet.

    RIM has an extensive user base for smartphones that they are trying to retain, though, while HP does not.
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    The big difference between RIM and HP in the tablet market is this - HP has an actual working/tested OS. Granted 2.0 isn't released, but webOS has been tested for over a year now. RIM has an untested/unreleased OS with zero experience in the computer/hardware market. They are coming into a new market with a new OS and new hardware.

    There is pressure for any company, but computing is HP's home stadium and they are coming to play with a lot of practice and a tested OS. RIM is playing as a 'visitor' with an untested playbook and a lineup of 1st year walk-ons. (sorry for the football analogies, but it is the season )
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNNNewman View Post
    The big difference between RIM and HP in the tablet market is this - HP has an actual working/tested OS. Granted 2.0 isn't released, but webOS has been tested for over a year now. RIM has an untested/unreleased OS with zero experience in the computer/hardware market. They are coming into a new market with a new OS and new hardware.

    There is pressure for any company, but computing is HP's home stadium and they are coming to play with a lot of practice and a tested OS. RIM is playing as a 'visitor' with an untested playbook and a lineup of 1st year walk-ons. (sorry for the football analogies, but it is the season )
    Sounds a bit similar to...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Colligan 2006
    "We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone...PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."
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    * Windows 7 isn't a consumer tablet device and HP may still beat the out with the PalmPad any way
    * Android tablets so far have no access to the official Android app store and won't until Android 3.0, I feel PalmPad could land before the first Android 3.0 tablet
    * Who knows how far away the RIM BlackPad is
    * The most determintal thing that could happen has nothing to do with MS, Google, or RIM, it would be Apple releasing iPad 2.0 before or at the same time as the PalmPad
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    CES 2911 is looking pretty late to make an announcement for a new tablet platform.
    Actually, that is probably about right given the pace at which HP seems to be moving with regards to Palm stuff right now.
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    I think Rahul Sood said it well when he stated that 'there is no limited time window' to hit for releasing devices. Marketing creates the excitement no matter when a device is hit. This isn't a narrow window in time a developer has to hit... this market is new and the window will be wide open for quite some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HelloNNNewman View Post
    I think Rahul Sood said it well when he stated that 'there is no limited time window' to hit for releasing devices. Marketing creates the excitement no matter when a device is hit. This isn't a narrow window in time a developer has to hit... this market is new and the window will be wide open for quite some time.
    With all due respect, that simply isn't true.

    Sometimes you can actually be too late to market. Garmin-Asus were way too late to market with the NuviPhone. The Pre was way too late to market. The Blackberry Torch was way too late to market. Dell's line of Android and Windows Phone 7 devices are too late to market. And so on and so forth. When your product has competitive advantages that aren't really advantages by the time someone can buy your product...it is too late. If the market moves on, no amount of marketing will make it regress.

    I would say something about HP's timing, but frankly no one has entered this market except for Apple, and HP has nothing other than a name and an operating system to present thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    Well, there's no question that the RIM Playbook is absolute vaporware right now. No hardware prototype running the OS was shown. Just videos. It's as if RIM showed us what they were planning to develop. It's like where Windows Phone 7 was when it was launched back in January but not as far along.
    The name of the site escapes me at the moment but RIM sent someone a prototype of the Playbook to prove that it's more than just a concept. I'll see if I can dig up the site and edit it into my post later on.

    Scratch that - I actually read the article and it's brilliantly fake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikah912 View Post
    With all due respect, that simply isn't true.

    Sometimes you can actually be too late to market. Garmin-Asus were way too late to market with the NuviPhone. The Pre was way too late to market. The Blackberry Torch was way too late to market. Dell's line of Android and Windows Phone 7 devices are too late to market. And so on and so forth. When your product has competitive advantages that aren't really advantages by the time someone can buy your product...it is too late. If the market moves on, no amount of marketing will make it regress.
    Those are examples of being too SLOW to market. When they hit the market they were behind other products that beat them out of the gate. Another good example would be any Sony phone ever.

    That is different than, say, Apple, which was actually LATE to the early smartphone market (vs. Palm, BB, Nokia, Windows Mobile), but came in with a more advanced product and marketing. Motorola was even later, but had success with Droid and Droid X. Windows Phone 7 will be even later - manufacturers like HTC will likely succeed with it while companies like Dell and Sony will likely continue to lag behind.

    So, if HP is targeting releasing an iPad v1 clone in Q1 2011, then they are too slow and probably worse off than the Android iPad clones. If they are targeting a release of something much more advanced at that time, they can still be "late" to the market and successful.

    The problem, of course, is that HP has historically been more like Dell and Sony than HTC or Apple....
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    Quote Originally Posted by nappy View Post
    Scratch that - I actually read the article and it's brilliantly fake.
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    The iPads have arrived at WalMart. HP shouldn't worry, though, because Rahul Sood said that the window for releasing a new device is never closed. Perhaps HP has some exclusive retail channels they are going to use for the PalmPad. Maybe the iPads will just sit there and nobody will buy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    Snip...HP shouldn't worry, though, because Rahul Sood said that the window for releasing a new device is never closed. Perhaps HP has some exclusive retail channels they are going to use for the PalmPad.
    Rahul Sood is just a unknown with an opinion. How many non-tech people know who he is? If his name was Steve Jobs, with the might of Apple's "Reality Distortion Field behind it, this "opinion" might hold some value. That statement was more along the lines of "hope".

    Quote Originally Posted by UntidyGuy View Post
    Snip...Maybe the iPads will just sit there and nobody will buy them.
    LOL. Okay. Dreams and reality often don't agree. Perfect example, Webos and Pre.

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