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  1.    #1  
    Here are the final resouts with the original post following...
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    Here are the results:

    The initial opening speeds compared to the stock Pre:
    • Droid X: 6.9 x • iPhone: 3.9 x • EVO: 2.9 x • Epic: 5.2 x • Torch: 6.3 x as fast as the stock Pre.

    The initial opening speeds compared to the 1 GHz Overclocked Pre:
    • Droid X: 4.1 x • iPhone: 2.4 x • EVO: 1.7 x • Epic: 3.1 x • Torch: 3.8 x as fast as the 1 GHz Pre.

    Comparing all four tests to the stock Pre:
    • Droid X: 6.8 x • iPhone: 6 x • EVO: 4.4 x • Epic: 7.7 x • Torch: 7.2 x as fast as the stock Pre.

    Comparing all four tests to the 1 GHz Overclocked Pre:
    • Droid X: 4 x • iPhone: 3.5 x • EVO: 2.5 x • Epic: 4.5 x • Torch: 4.1 x as fast as the 1 GHz Pre.

    Other notes
    • The 2009 BlackBerry Storm and Bold at ~600 MHz are nearly twice as fast as a 1GHz Pre.
    • These apps do not truly close on any of these phones as evidenced by the faster re-open times.
    • Other phones tested were 1.8 to 4.2 times the speed of the Palm Pre overclocked to 1 GHz.

    Code:
    								
    Open FB	Re-open	Open GM	Re-open	Average	Phone	Speed	Reboot	ID
    3	2	2	1	2.0	Bold	624	N	GoldBerryRocker
    2.03	2.08	3.74	2.84	2.7	Storm	528	N	vistate1
    2.17	0.62	2.13	0.74	1.4	Torch	624	N	Altarocks
    0.84	0.76	1.26	1.18	1.0	Torch	624	N	IchigoMochi
    1.76	1.56	2.45	2.39	2.0	Torch	624	N	LuvMyBB
    1	0.5	3	0.5	1.3	Epic	1000	N	estabancam
    1	0.5	3.5	0.5	1.4	Epic	1000	N	ericdives
    1.5	1.5	2	0.5	1.4	Epic	1000	N	JonOvalie
    1	0.5	3	0.5	1.3	Epic	1000	Y	estabancam
    1.5	0.5	4	1	1.8	Epic	1000	N	43
    1	0.5	3.2	0.5	1.3	Epic	1200	N	zetterwing
    4	0.5	5	0.5	2.5	Epic	1200	N	sacwoo
    1.5	1.5	2	1.5	1.6	Droid X	1000	Y	Kupe
    1.5	1.5	1.5	1.5	1.5	Droid X	1000	N	dvader
    4	1	5	2	3.0	HTC EVO	1000	N	milo
    4	1	4	1	2.5	HTC EVO	1000	Y	milo
    3	1	5	1	2.5	HTC EVO	1000	N	Mdorty
    3	1	3	1	2.0	HTC EVO	1000	N	Stokes
    4	0.5	4	1	2.4	HTC EVO	1000	N	Jerzyiroc 
    5	1.5	5	0.5	3.0	HTC EVO	1000	N	Brain Mantis
    3	1	2	0.5	1.6	HTC EVO	1000	Y	Brain Mantis
    2	0.5	2	1	1.4	HTC EVO	1200	N	Jerzyiroc 
    2	0.5	2.5	0.5	1.4	iPhone4	800	N	finngirl
    2	0.5	2	0.5	1.3	iPhone4	800	Y	finngirl
    2	0.5	2	0.5	1.3	iPhone4	800	N	Roo Zilla
    5	1	3	1	2.5	iPhone4	800	N	nappy
    5	1	3	1	2.5	iPhone4	800	Y	nappy
    14	7	12	17	12.5	Pixi	500	N	mattflick819
    11	11	17	10	12.3	Pixi	500	N	nitu
    11	10	22	16	14.8	Pixi	500	N	IcerC
    6	5	110	45	41.5	Pixi	600	N	Delight33
    10	10	23	9	13.0	Pixi+	500	N	conozo
    13	12	11	11	11.8	Pre	500	N	milo
    12	12	12	11	11.8	Pre	500	N	45
    12	11	12	11	11.5	Pre	500	Y	45
    12	12	10	10	11.0	Pre	500	Y	milo
    10	11	12	7	10.0	Pre	500	N	cowgirlupkelly
    8	6	10	8	8.0	Pre	500	Y	Garrett
    6	4	8	5	5.8	Pre	800	Y	Garrett
    10	5	21	13	12.3	Pre	800	N	Mike5
    6	9	22	14	12.8	Pre	800	N	igobytony
    8	6	10	8	8.0	Pre	1000	N	Rush
    2	2	7	6	4.3	Pre	1000	N	NickDG
    5	5	10	8	7.0	Pre	1000	Y	12
    4	4	6	5	4.8	Pre	1000	N	noahisaac
    4	5	15	10	8.5	Pre	1000	N	ChanceNC
    4	4	6	5	4.8	Pre	1000	Y	ChanceNC
    6	5	11	10	8.0	Pre	1000	N	Mike5
    6	5	10	9	7.5	Pre	1000	N	45
    3	3	6	5	4.3	Pre	1000	N	grizzley addams
    4	3	7	5	4.8	Pre	1000	Y	Garrett
    5	3.5	5	5	4.6	Pre	1200	N	2sslow
    9	6	9	7	7.8	Pre +	500	N	HIYinOR
    10	4	10	4	7.0	Pre +	800	N	Cantaffordit
    7	6	6	5	6.0	Pre +	800	N	smmullen
    6	5	5	4	5.0	Pre +	1000	N	HIYinOR
    1.6	1.0	1.9	1.4	1.5	Torch	average		
    1.2	0.7	3.1	0.6	1.4	Epic	average		
    1.5	1.5	1.8	1.5	1.6	Droid X	average		
    3.2	0.7	2.5	0.7	1.8	iPhone4	average		
    3.7	1.0	4.0	1.0	2.4	HTC EVO	average		
    12.0	9.3	17.0	14.3	13.2	Pixi	average		
    11.2	10.7	11.2	9.7	10.7	500 Pre	average
    7.5	5.5	12.0	7.5	8.1	800 Pre	average
    4.6	4.2	8.8	7.1	6.2	1G Pre	average
    FB = Facebook, GM = Google Maps. A result of 2-3, was entered as a 2.5. "Instant" was entered as 0.5 seconds.

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    I will post this in several different forums so that we can get results for different phones. I hope we get results for Palm's, iPhone's, BlackBerry's, EVO's, Epics, etc.

    Would you please do this Real World test and post your results? If you have multiple phones, please test each phone while connected with WiFi. Times are from when you tap the icon until the app fully opens and is usable.

    Real World Speed Test:
    1. With no apps running, time how long it takes to open your Facebook app.
    2. Close Facebook and time how long it takes to re-open Facebook.
    3. Close Facebook and time how long it takes to open Google Maps.
    4. Close Google Maps and time how long it takes to reopen Google Maps.

    Please cut and paste this Report Score Sheet in your reply:

    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook:
    2. Time to re-open Facebook:
    3. Time to open Google Maps:
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps:
    5. Phone make and model:
    6. If Overclocked, Speed:

    If you would like to see the effects of rebooting, do the test then reboot your phone and repeat the test.

    Basis for the test:
    3G or 4G connection speeds vary by location. WiFi should be similar for everyone. Linpack, Quadrant, and others test the CPU only or the graphics system only. This is a real life test of actually opening two very popular apps available on almost every phone. Time to open email, messages, etc. vary with the number of entries and so are not used.

    Thanks!

    - Craig

    Test threads: Palm PrePalm PixiHTC EVODroid XEpicBlackBerry
    Last edited by milominderbinder; 10/19/2010 at 01:34 PM.
  2.    #2  
    Here are my EVO results. My Pre results are in that thread.

    EVO
    Before a reboot...

    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 4 seconds
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: 1 seconds
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 5 seconds
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: 2 seconds
    5. Phone make and model: HTC EVO
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: Stock

    After a reboot...

    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 4 seconds
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: 1 seconds
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 4 seconds
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: 1 seconds
    5. Phone make and model: HTC EVO
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: Stock
  3. #3  
    When you say "open" is this when the splash screen comes on or when you are able to interact with the program?
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    I'll do mine too. Evo (running Myn's Warm mod)

    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 5 seconds (until the spinning sync stopped)
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: 1.5 seconds
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 5 Seconds (map/location loaded)
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: Less than 1 second (seriously)
    5. Phone make and model: HTC EVO
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: Stock (ROM not overclocked.

    After a reboot... (took 1 minute, which is actually longer than normal, but first boot since i loaded this ROM)

    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 3 Seconds
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: 1 seconds
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 2 seconds
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: Less than a second
    5. Phone make and model: HTC EVO
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: Stock
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  5.    #5  
    Quote Originally Posted by zulfaqar621 View Post
    When you say "open" is this when the splash screen comes on or when you are able to interact with the program?
    By open I mean from when you tap the icon until the app fully opens and is usable. I added that to the OP.

    - Craig
    Last edited by milominderbinder; 09/29/2010 at 12:38 PM.
  6. #6  
    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 5 seconds
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: Instant.
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 3 seconds
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: Instant.
    5. Phone make and model: iPhone 4
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: Stock

    I ran the test with an uptime of about 4 days or so. I saw the same numbers on a freshly booted phone.
  7. #7  
    Quote Originally Posted by nappy View Post
    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 5 seconds
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: Instant.
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 3 seconds
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: Instant.
    5. Phone make and model: iPhone 4
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: Stock

    I ran the test with an uptime of about 4 days or so. I saw the same numbers on a freshly booted phone.
    2. and 4. The iPhone 4 doesn't really close the program completely out. This is iOS4 multitasking. This would be equivalent to a webOS phone leaving the app running going to another app and switching back to the app card. re-open for webOS would also be instant.

    I know this might seem like me nit-picking but these distinctions are relevant to how responsive the OS's truly are.
  8. #8  
    Quote Originally Posted by zulfaqar621 View Post
    2. and 4. The iPhone 4 doesn't really close the program completely out. This is iOS4 multitasking. This would be equivalent to a webOS phone leaving the app running going to another app and switching back to the app card. re-open for webOS would also be instant.

    I know this might seem like me nit-picking but these distinctions are relevant to how responsive the OS's truly are.
    Android does the same thing too. It's a good thing because that's how people use their phones in real world situations, no?
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    Yeah but WebOS doesn't keep it in a freeze state which eats up precocious memory which cause me to close apps when i was done with them (if they were something like Google Maps).
  10. #10  
    Quote Originally Posted by Brain Mantis View Post
    Yeah but WebOS doesn't keep it in a freeze state which eats up precocious memory which cause me to close apps when i was done with them (if they were something like Google Maps).
    how did you get your hands on precocious memory? that's expensive stuff.
  11. #11  
    Quote Originally Posted by nappy View Post
    Android does the same thing too. It's a good thing because that's how people use their phones in real world situations, no?
    Well as long as we are all on the same page. When I run this test (I dont have wifi right now). I wont close the app just switch to another and come back and say it instantly re-loaded.
  12. #12  
    Real World Speed Test
    1. Time to open Facebook: 2 seconds
    2. Time to re-open Facebook: 2 seconds
    3. Time to open Google Maps: 7 seconds
    4. Time to re-open Google Maps: 6 seconds
    5. Phone make and model: Sprint Pre Plus
    6. If Overclocked, Speed: 1 ghz

    I am on 3G with full bars. No WiFi here at work.
    Palm Vx -> Treo 600 -> Treo 700p -> Centro -> Pre (Launch Phone 06/06/09) -> AT&T Pre Plus with Sprint EVDO swap -> Samsung Epic 4G w/ Froyo
  13.    #13  
    Quote Originally Posted by zulfaqar621 View Post
    2. and 4. The iPhone 4 doesn't really close the program completely out. This is iOS4 multitasking. This would be equivalent to a webOS phone leaving the app running going to another app and switching back to the app card. re-open for webOS would also be instant.

    I know this might seem like me nit-picking but these distinctions are relevant to how responsive the OS's truly are.
    That is not a nit-pic, that is multitasking.

    On the iPhone 4, the typically user does not know that they are multitasking. They may open and close apps repeatedly during a day going instantly back where they left off. The iPhone freezes apps in a dormant state when you "close" them.

    The Android operating system does a similar thing. "Closed" apps are also really just placed in a dormant state. An app like SystemPanel will show these dormant apps as taking a few seconds of clock cycles an hour.

    It's comparable to how a modern laptop can hibernate for days or weeks when the top is closed. Open it and it opens where you left off.

    Multitasking on the Pre requires that you keep every app "card" open or your pending work and place will be lost. At first it is weird to use an iPhone or Android phone because you are used to doing the multitasking by hand.

    - Craig
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    Craig;

    "Basis for the test:
    3G or 4G connection speeds vary by location. WiFi should be similar for everyone. Linpack, Quadrant, and others test the CPU only or the graphics system only. This is a real life test of actually opening two very popular apps available on almost every phone. Time to open email, messages, etc. vary with the number of entries and so are not used."

    I have often seen this same mistake made - the Wifi capabilities of the Pre are similar and therefore, justifyably compariable, but, the networks they connect to may not.

    The ONLY way to fairly test this is to connect the devices to the same wifi - network connection.

    Just sayin...

    "The more I learn, the more I realize just how little I really do know!" -Albert Einstein

  15. #15  
    Quote Originally Posted by milominderbinder View Post
    That is not a nit-pic, that is multitasking.

    On the iPhone 4, the typically user does not know that they are multitasking. They may open and close apps repeatedly during a day going instantly back where they left off. The iPhone freezes apps in a dormant state when you "close" them.

    The Android operating system does a similar thing. "Closed" apps are also really just placed in a dormant state. An app like SystemPanel will show these dormant apps as taking a few seconds of clock cycles an hour.

    It's comparable to how a modern laptop can hibernate for days or weeks when the top is closed. Open it and it opens where you left off.

    Multitasking on the Pre requires that you keep every app "card" open or your pending work and place will be lost. At first it is weird to use an iPhone or Android phone because you are used to doing the multitasking by hand.

    - Craig
    Just to be clear, were you asking for the Facebook and Google Maps processes to be killed before relaunching them?
  16.    #16  
    Quote Originally Posted by zulfaqar621 View Post
    Well as long as we are all on the same page. When I run this test (I dont have wifi right now). I wont close the app just switch to another and come back and say it instantly re-loaded.
    No, this is to simulate how a real-world soccer dad or mom on the sidelines of a game would do it.

    Open each app and close them just like a real world phone user would. The reality is that they may open and close the same texting app twenty times in an hour. During a game, they may open and close Facebook, texting, email, music, internet, weather, calendar, YouTube, maps, and camera apps over and over again. The one thing their phone will probably not do is ring.

    This is to simulate the real-world usage for a regular joe-sixpack target customer.

    - Craig
  17.    #17  
    Quote Originally Posted by nappy View Post
    Just to be clear, were you asking for the Facebook and Google Maps processes to be killed before relaunching them?
    Nope. Just open and close the apps just like a soccer mom or dad would. If you want, open and close ten other apps before you open the first app again to be more realistic but it does not change the times.
  18. #18  
    Quote Originally Posted by milominderbinder View Post
    No, this is to simulate how a real-world soccer dad or mom on the sidelines of a game would do it.

    Open each app and close them just like a real world phone user would. The reality is that they may open and close the same texting app twenty times in an hour. During a game, they may open and close Facebook, texting, email, music, internet, weather, calendar, YouTube, maps, and camera apps over and over again. The one thing their phone will probably not do is ring.

    This is to simulate the real-world usage for a regular joe-sixpack target customer.

    - Craig
    Well I guess I will just refrain from doing this little test. It doesn't seem like its meant to be a true side-by-side analysis.

    WebOS is designed that if used correctly you can leave apps open all day (multiple days). In fact before BFG I would leave GMAPS open on days I knew I would use it multiple times. So you are allowing Android and iPhone to multitask but dont want to allow webOS the same. All are capable of it, why hinder webOS?

    Good luck with you experiment.
  19. #19  
    Quote Originally Posted by nappy View Post
    Just to be clear, were you asking for the Facebook and Google Maps processes to be killed before relaunching them?
    Apparently only for webOS.
  20.    #20  
    Quote Originally Posted by LCGuy View Post
    ...The ONLY way to fairly test this is to connect the devices to the same wifi - network connection...
    I agree but it would also have to be at the same time of day with the same usage load, etc.

    The other option is to collect enough data points to average out the anomolies. But so far the results are showing the same consistent trends.

    I have repeatedly tested my own Pre and EVO in controlled WiFi and 3G environments. The trends I found were exatly what the others are seeing. It takes just over 10 seconds to open Facebook or Google Maps on my stock Pre.

    If apps have been opened at some point before on my EVO, they re-open so fast it is hard to time.

    - Craig
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