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    hiya all,

    Win 7 can't catch a break!

    Take care,

    Jay


    Dell Not Going To Be A Windows Phone 7 Launch Partner? Bad News For Microsoft Mobile*
    Jay Yarow | Aug. 27, 2010, 10:00 AM


    Dell Not Going To Be A Windows Phone 7 Launch Partner? Bad News For Microsoft Mobile*


    Microsoft is finding it harder to convince its traditional PC partners to join it in the mobile world.

    Kim-Mai Cutler at TechCrunch says Microsoft originally had a $20 million contract with HP to cover the cost of developing a Windows phone, but after HP acquired Palm, it gave up on Microsoft.

    Dell was going to be one of the original launch partners for Windows mobile, but has delayed its plans, says Deutsche Bank analyst Jonathan Goldberg.

    Microsoft still has three companies lined up for the Windows Phone 7 launch -- LG, Samsung, and HTC. They are all big players, but they're all three already knocking the ball out of the part with Android. And LG, at least, is already boasting about how it's going to kill Apple's iPad...with a tablet based on Android.

    Correction: This article originally stated Dell was not making a Windows Phone, based on earlier statements from Goldberg to TechCrunch. Goldberg is now saying Dell will not be a launch partner. And Dell tells Engadget it will make a phone using Windows:

    Any reports, or speculation, that report Dell will not support Windows Phone 7 are false... Microsoft announced Dell as a supporting partner at this year's Mobile World Congress and nothing's changed. We are excited to collaborate with Microsoft on Windows Phone 7, and are looking forward to bringing customers amazing mobile experiences.

    We asked Dell when the phone would come out, but the company declined to be specific, saying, "Dell continually develops and tests new products that extend the mobile experience. We have not made any product announcements and do not comment on speculation, rumor or unannounced products."
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    This is no longer true, you should've waited a little longer before making this thread.

    Dell dropping Windows Phone 7 devices from its roadmap? (update: Dell responds, is definitely still in the game) -- Engadget
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    Quote Originally Posted by kinster02 View Post
    This is no longer true, you should've waited a little longer before making this thread.

    Dell dropping Windows Phone 7 devices from its roadmap? (update: Dell responds, is definitely still in the game) -- Engadget
    At this point I'm not sure that Dell even knows if they will be making a win 7 phone!

    Take care,

    Jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
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    considering what Dell did with their Aero, maybe M$ should be glad if Dell passes on WP7.

    Nevertheless -- as I've predicted endlessly, there will be many fewer OEMs supporting WP7 than M$ initially bragged about -- and even those OEMs are going to have lots less patience if the launch goes badly.

    As I've also anticipated, M$ is spending wildly to bribe and pay off OEMs to produce their hardware (as well as App developers) -- while also lowering the price of their OS. M$ is desperate for WP7 to be a success.

    Will it be enough to artificially inflate the buzz around its launch ?? Quite probably.

    A Billion dollars can buy a lot of love -- or at least rent it for a while.

    But where will WP7 be 2 years from now ?? I believe it will be a weak 4th ranked mobile OS player (behind Android, iOS, and RIM).



    Microsoft To Pay More Than Half A Billion Dollars To Jump-Start Wp7
    TechCrunch Kim-Mai Cutler.

    Nearly four years after Apple launched the iPhone and two years after Google open-sourced the code for its Android operating system, Microsoft is finally set to re-enter the mobile market this holiday season in a serious way with Windows Phone 7.

    It is trying to catch up to those more modern smartphones the only way it can — with cold, hard cash.

    The company could spend a half-billion dollars or more in marketing costs and payments to developers and handset manufacturers to subsidize the expense of building phones and apps, so that the Windows Phone 7 ecosystem is well-seeded at launch.

    ...Microsoft will spend $400 million on marketing alone for the Windows Phone 7 launch. That doesn’t include the millions it has already committed to pay for “non-recurring engineering” costs that help offset development costs for handset manufacturers.

    ...They don’t have to take share from Android or Apple, so long as they can attract enough consumers switching from feature phones.” ...

    In some cases, potential manufacturing partners have accepted payments only to later back out. Out of the original eight handset manufacturers that Microsoft announced Windows Phone 7 with in February, there’s serious traction left at just three—HTC, Samsung and LG...

    ...Microsoft has been offering financial support sometimes in the form of revenue guarantees to developers so that there will be enough apps in its store at launch...

    Its most recent efforts in the mobile space have bombed. The company took the much-hyped Kin phone off the market after reportedly selling fewer than 10,000 units. Furthermore by spending hundreds of millions of dollars, it is effectively competing against its own business model. It licenses out its software for a fee of roughly $15 per OS shipped to manufacturers, unlike Android, which is free and lacks the same software restrictions. A big question for Microsoft is whether it will be able to keep its licensing model afloat (Even at $10 per device, 100 million Windows 7 phones will have to ship before it recoups $1 billion in marketing and engineering subsidies...
    ...



    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post

    ...M$ will not allow OEMs to customized UIs -- as though OEMs are going to be happy consigned to being dumb gizmo makers.

    Perhaps you've not heard of the Apple iPhone -- its a device that every OEM across the planet envies, and would eagerly trade their favorite children and their left lung to have. Its a device whose appeal is in large part because of the seamless design and integration of both the hardware and UI.

    Its one of the reasons HP dropped a Billion and change on Palm.

    Its why M$ is likely doomed in tablets and ultimately phones -- because being a gizmo maker is not a profitable niche -- especially when the OS designer dictates the common minimum hardware spec and the UI interface -- which makes it even harder to differentiate your gizmo.

    Presume if you will that 5-10 OEMs declare their intent to buy WP7 and build WP7 gizmos.

    This is a universe of users that is currently at -- sorry let me re-enter the calculations on my Excel spreadsheet -- jeez, that can't be right .... No, I guess it is -- there are ZERO WP7 users at present.

    So we have 10 OEMs producing near identical platforms -- using IDENTICAL UIs --how are they going to compete -- features ????

    I think the answer you're looking for is: PRICE. They will have to compete on PRICE.

    If I'm an OEM, I'd rather not hear that I have to compete in a narrow limited market against a near identical family of products -- while also banging heads with Android, iOS, a possibly revived RIM, and maybe, maybe, webOS. When 5-10 OEMs need to scratch out a part of a tiny market, OEMs are likely to soon engage in a price war, a war in which they will all lose.

    I look forward to hearing from the WP7 pioneers, er orphans, a year or so from now.

    BTW -- MS is the internationally recognized contraction used for Multiple Sclerosis -- an incurable degenerative neurological disease.

    Personally I find it overly harsh to ascribe these brain wasting characteristics to Microsoft. It is just not in BARYE's too too gentle nature to be so unkind.
    As such I will continue to use the much less inflammatory M$ as the descriptive contraction of choice.
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    Hi,

    I agree with you 101%!

    take care,

    jay
    Please Support Research into Fibromyalgia, Chronic Pain and Spinal Injuries. If You Suffer from These, Consider Joining or Better Yet Forming a Support Group. No One Should Suffer from the Burden of Chronic Pain, Jay M. S. Founder, Leesburg Fibromyalgia/Resources Group
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    Just to clarify, Dell won't be a _launch_ partner; but they will still sell Windows Phone 7 units.

    I don't understand why people put down Microsoft Windows Phone 7.

    After Kin was killed, everyone (Apple, Google , Palm) should have gotten scared. This is a monopolistic company getting its act together and concentrating on _one_ platform. If they succeed, Apple, Palm will be screwed. Now they are going to market using one _b_illion dollars.

    Everyone should be scared, but people go about putting down uSoft. *shakes head*
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    Quote Originally Posted by veerar View Post
    Just to clarify, Dell won't be a _launch_ partner; but they will still sell Windows Phone 7 units.

    I don't understand why people put down Microsoft Windows Phone 7.

    After Kin was killed, everyone (Apple, Google , Palm) should have gotten scared. This is a monopolistic company getting its act together and concentrating on _one_ platform. If they succeed, Apple, Palm will be screwed. Now they are going to market using one _b_illion dollars.

    Everyone should be scared, but people go about putting down uSoft. *shakes head*

    Aside from Windows, Office, and Exchange -- M$ has had a whole series of costly failures for as long as most of us can remember. (they have even lost money on Xbox).

    Yet it has leveraged the monopoly profits extracted from those franchises to hammer a bunch of successful companies into oblivion.

    You may well be a fan-boy of Zune, Bing, Internet Explorer, and WP7 who can see in them a majesty that escapes me.

    The irony of history is that both M$ and america would have been better off had the judge's consent decree to break M$ into 2 divisions -- Operating Systems and Applications -- not been sabotaged and overturned by junior's administration.

    Both parts of the former M$ would have been more competitive and creative -- and the country would have had the benefit of more competition and enterprise.
    Last edited by BARYE; 08/28/2010 at 02:31 AM.
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