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  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Black View Post
    Atleast iPhone's WiFi and GPS actually works.
    My (German Launch Day) Pre's WiFi and GPS actually work, too. Marvellously. An iPhone friend of mine has been having trouble to connect his 3GS to his WiFi for three months now.

    Two broken phones right there? And one person saying "my Apple is perfect, it can't be broken because iPhones never are, so the problem must be something else" while the other thinks "piece of crap Palm is always broken, it must be, Palms always are so that must be the problem".
  2.    #22  
    HI all,

    You are missing a point about the batteries. A removable battery can be replaced by the consumer, when it dies. So far, my Centro which is 21 months old has it's 1st battery. However, my Treo 650 needed it's battery replaced.

    That is something one can do oneself, on a Palm and not on an Apple. To me that is a bug deal!

    Take care, Jay
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  3.    #23  
    Hi all,
    here are 5 more reasons,
    take care, Jay

    5 Big Blemishes for the Apple iPhone 4
    by Scott Moritz
    Wednesday, June 23, 2010

    5-big-blemishes-for-the-apple-iphone-4: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

    Apple's (AAPL - News) redesigned iPhone is destined to be a knockout success. The phone scores high on style points with its sleek glass and stainless steel design, and it wins points for its multitasking software and improved screen.

    There are, however, a few shortcomings.

    The Apple iPhone 4 is set to go on sale Thursday. Judging by the record demand during the pre-sale period, the newest iPhone will make a huge sales splash, especially with old iPhone owners trading up.

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    All the presales excitement and Apple-driven hype have set expectations very high. But mighty Apple plays to a tough crowd. It's an affluent group that has been eager to buy the next new thing out of Cupertino, Calif. It's also a highly discerning group with a refined taste in gadgets, and that makes them a bit fussy.

    Here are five bruises on the new Apple iPhone that may engender complaint.

    No. 5: A Skimpy Camera

    As smartphone challengers like HTC, Motorola (MOT - News) and Nokia (NOK - News) embrace the megapixel race with 8-megapixel and 12-megapixel cameras, Apple's new iPhone keeps it cheap with a 5-megapixel model.

    This will be a bigger point of contention this week when Verizon (VZ - News) and Motorola unveil the Droid X Wednesday, the newest Google (GOOG - News) Android phone, which features an 8-megapixel camera. Android phone giant HTC has also been generous with 8-megapixel cameras in its Droid Incredible and Sprint's (S - News) EVO.

    Meanwhile, Apple, always the laggard in cameras, won't enter the 8-megapixel class until next year when it debuts a sweet Sony (SNE - News) camera in its 2011 iPhone. But by then, who knows where the rest of the pack will be?

    No. 4: No Swype

    If you've seen Swype or used it, you know why this omission makes the list. Typing on a touchscreen is a challenge as the flat glass surface offers few clues to where your fat fingers are precisely making contact. It's an error-prone process that gives one a longing for the raised keys of the BlackBerry keyboard from Research In Motion (RIMM - News).

    But the Swype keypad software helps tame the new medium. Swype follows the pattern of your finger movements to type words or predict words without the usual hunting and pecking.

    Apple did wonders with the touchscreen, but Swype makes it more useful for those among us who like to type.

    No. 3: Video Calling

    Okay, it's not totally bait and switch, but Apple's hot new iPhone video calling feature, FaceTime, comes with lots of asterisks and a limited applicability.

    Say you want to video chat with someone using the Apple iPhone 4. That someone has to have a WiFi connection and he has to use the same application on his own iPhone 4. You're looking at a small club of people -- not exactly an application of global Skype-like proportions.

    No. 2: iPhone 4 Shortages

    Strong demand is only half the story for Apple's iPhone sales debut. Limited supply is the other. A shortage of in-plane display panels, the crucial part of Apple's touted retina display screens, has forced Apple's contract manufacturers to cut production rates in half to 1 million iPhones a month.

    This means there won't be enough iPhones on hand to meet the presumably high demand. Though it's not a terrible problem to have if you are a gadget maker, sellouts and delivery delays will mar Apple's big iPhone 4 debut. The frustration could push buyers toward other phones.

    No. 1: No Verizon iPhone.

    A new iPhone is big. But a new iPhone at Verizon? Much bigger.

    Apple's exclusive partnership with AT&T (T - News) has been a point of discord among iPhone owners and it has tarnished the public perception of both companies. It also has done almost nothing for AT&T's stock.

    Investors have been waiting for the Verizon iPhone. But that's apparently not going to happen until next year, if ever.

    So Apple fans who want the new iPhone have to lock in for another two years with AT&T. This scenario is not particularly pleasant considering that AT&T's new subscriber plans put penalties on people (like iPhone users) who happen to be heavy data users.

    --Written by Scott Moritz in New York.
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  4. #24  
    How good is flash working on your Pre?
    Do I really need to walk around carrying an extra battery?

    Yes, multitasking might be better on the Pre (I guess), but its really not that big of a difference and certainly not that important to me.

    One more thing, Swype is terrible. Tried it on my Android device a couple of times, then forgot about it.
  5. #25  
    The problem for Palm is when consumers and businesses decide that the iPhone is not for them they don't seem to be choosing the Pre instead.
  6. #26  
    By the way ... the Evo's 8MP camera is NOT better than the iPhones 5MP camera. Megapixels aren't everything ..
  7. #27  
    if i'm looking for a large scale enterprise phone the problem from a palm perspective it's hands down going to be blackberry as the winner because of price, security, versatility and it's what employees want.
  8. #28  
    Love my Pre ( when its not giving me issues) but anyone who thinks a Pre can compete with a Iphone is kidding themselves . The best reply I can give is that if someone does not buy a Iphone they still are not buying a Pre. The Iphone Like it or not is a terriffic piece of hardware. and sure its got flaws but so does the Pre, EVo and every phone I can name.
  9. #29  
    The writer sounds jaded a bit to me...but hey imo #2 #4 & #5 are credible reasons. Size is a preference, just like flash will be a preference based on how you browse the web. I know people who have yet to update any of there plug ins in fire fox or ie, while barely running flash they are able to do browsing just fine. A removable battery I think is essential. But again it's a prefrence.
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by ADGrant View Post
    The problem for Palm is when consumers and businesses decide that the iPhone is not for them they don't seem to be choosing the Pre instead.
    This is true.
    People are moving to Android in droves.
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    By the way ... the Evo's 8MP camera is NOT better than the iPhones 5MP camera. Megapixels aren't everything ..
    Very true, my old 3MP Canon EOS D30 could take much better photos than any camera phone. It's all about the lens and the size of the sensor.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    This is true.
    People are moving to Android in droves.

    +1 . EVery Pre Owner I knew has a Android phone now. Then again it was 3 people. None would go back. Even know a few Iphone user who are switching or want to. I still have both but every day I find a reason to not use the Pre . It is year old hardware so i mean thats to be expected. but honeslty I am totaly shocked at the growth of Android. Also how much better and better Android is with every update. It went from unsuable like Windows Mobile to one of the best OS in a short time. ( Still cant beat WEBOS with multi tasking but otherwise a better OS)
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by VaccPalm View Post
    +1 . EVery Pre Owner I knew has a Android phone now. Then again it was 3 people. None would go back. Even know a few Iphone user who are switching or want to. I still have both but every day I find a reason to not use the Pre . It is year old hardware so i mean thats to be expected. but honeslty I am totaly shocked at the growth of Android. Also how much better and better Android is with every update. It went from unsuable like Windows Mobile to one of the best OS in a short time. ( Still cant beat WEBOS with multi tasking but otherwise a better OS)
    yes i only know one person that had a pre and he downgraded to a pixi cause well he's an boob that can't work his wifi. but that's another issue. point is i don't see Pre out there. And among pre users at least on this forum they hate apple. But i think the way to take market share is in general to be similar to apple. That is do good in media, and apps, and style, and marketing. That or do good in enterprise markets like blackberry which is top notch documents and email. But when you're current fan base for palm seems to have a visceral hate for the characteristics that many of the consumers seem to want i think they are between a rock and a hard place. Just a thought.

    as a side note i'm not too surprised with Android mostly cause it's licensed so they are gonna get tons of products and hardware every year. plus google has a lot of cash and is well run and doesn't need to make money off android so they are willing to support it without worrying about the financial ramifications.
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by ilovedessert View Post
    HI all,

    You are missing a point about the batteries. A removable battery can be replaced by the consumer, when it dies. So far, my Centro which is 21 months old has it's 1st battery. However, my Treo 650 needed it's battery replaced.

    That is something one can do oneself, on a Palm and not on an Apple. To me that is a bug deal!

    Take care, Jay
    I still have my first generation iPhone from 2007. My kids use it to view youtube videos over WiFi. Battery still works great. I think 3 years of use without any battery issues is more than acceptable.
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    #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    Quality speaks for itself.
    There are tons of quality phones out there that aren't iPhones... They just don't have such a blind following. Admit it: Apple's following is superficial, at most. Yeah, the iPhone 4 is a good phone, but so is the Evo, the Incredible, the Nexus, and yes, even the Pre.

    The reason Apple wins is because the majority of Apple-lovers can't seem to look past Apple's elegance. There's no denying Apple makes a beautiful product, but that's really where it all ends. Everything else underneath the hood is just like all the rest, but way overpriced.

    You're really not paying for anything except for that Apple on the back.
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    I'm not here to bash Palm, WebOS, etc. I left the iPhone for the Pre .. but the Pre has disappointed me over the past year. I have high hopes for WebOS as I think it has massive potential, but the traction and grown that the iPhone (and now Android) has is difficult to ignore. Especially when applications that extend the usability of your phone are exclusive to those two devices.
    really? Should I pull previous posts? In fact, I'm having trouble finding a single post by you that is positive of the Pre or WebOs. Can you find one?

    Your post history looks like your here to "bash Palm and Webos".
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  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by mrloserpunk View Post
    really? Should I pull previous posts? In fact, I'm having trouble finding a single post by you that is positive of the Pre or WebOs. Can you find one?

    Your post history looks like your here to "bash Palm and Webos".
    To put it simply and bluntly: I bought the Pre – in which I left the iPhone 3G for – almost one year ago on the assumption – and hope – that it was an upgrade to the iPhone. Now I'm just a letdown Pre owner that is locked into a contract with a terrible phone.

    I feel like the Pre was a broken promise. I can feel this way and still appreciate the good things that WebOS delivers and the potential it holds.

    I'm not here debating a product that I've never owned, I'm here debating a product that I am frustrated with.
    Last edited by barkerja; 06/25/2010 at 01:11 AM.
  18. #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by dreDREb13 View Post
    There are tons of quality phones out there that aren't iPhones... They just don't have such a blind following. Admit it: Apple's following is superficial, at most. Yeah, the iPhone 4 is a good phone, but so is the Evo, the Incredible, the Nexus, and yes, even the Pre.

    The reason Apple wins is because the majority of Apple-lovers can't seem to look past Apple's elegance. There's no denying Apple makes a beautiful product, but that's really where it all ends. Everything else underneath the hood is just like all the rest, but way overpriced.

    You're really not paying for anything except for that Apple on the back.
    You forgot two major key things with Apple products: simplicity and integration. You merry those two things with superb hardware and a spectacular ecosystem of applications, third-party products, etc. and you have a winner. People aren't following blindly, they're buying what they most enjoy.

    By the way, I have an Evo – as a loaner – that I fully intend on replacing with an iPhone 4. Why? It's the little things that all add up to something great, it's not just one thing – no, not the shiny Apple that's on it. The Evo is an excellent phone, but I personally think there is better.
    Last edited by barkerja; 06/25/2010 at 01:10 AM.
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by barkerja View Post
    To put it simply and bluntly: I bought the Pre – in which I left the iPhone 3G for – almost one year ago on the assumption – and hope – that it was an upgrade to the iPhone. Now I'm just a letdown Pre owner that is locked into a contract with a terrible phone.

    I feel like the Pre was a broken promise. I can feel this way and still appreciate the good things that WebOS delivers and the potential it holds.

    I'm not here debating a product that I've never owned, I'm here debating a product that I am frustrated with.
    so you are here to "bash it"?

    A) I don't currently own an iPhone, and I haven't for the past year (left the iPhone for the pre). I currently own an Evo, but I will be getting the iPhone 4.

    B) I never did jailbreak and I won't jailbreak when I get the iPhone 4.

    C) I never patched the Pre either (I did try the 800MHz, but quickly removed it
    When were you lying, then or now? If 30 days are not enough for you to figure out a phone, I suggest you stop trying to influence others, as you obviously have no clue on how to spot a good or bad phone.

    As far as being "locked" into a contract, Did you upgrade you pre to an Evo? or do you just sign contracts all willy nilly just to complain about the terms months later? It seems like you being "locked" into a contract, one that allows you to upgrade a year before other carriers seems like a convenient cop-out. Or are we to assume, that while you can carry service with both Sprint and ATT at the same time, all while developing apps for the iphone, you cant afford to buy out your sprint contract? I just put on my boots, there is bull **** in this thread i don't want to step in....
    Last edited by mrloserpunk; 06/25/2010 at 01:49 AM.
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  20. #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by mrloserpunk View Post
    so you are here to "bash it"?



    When were you lying, then or now? If 30 days are not enough for you to figure out a phone, I suggest you stop trying to influence others, as you obviously have no clue on how to spot a good or bad phone.
    Not sure what exactly in the quote(s) that you are referring to, but all said is truth. Thirty days is not always enough; a lot of the problems that I've had in the previous months didn't surface until after the thirty days.

    So again, where do I not speak the truth? And a quick by the way, there is a distinct difference between bashing and expressing your difference of opinion in frustration. I'm not here to persuade others into a platform of my choosing, I'm here to dispute things that I see as incorrect or just absurd.

    And if you read what I just most recently said in FULL, you'll see that I noted the Evo as being a loaner.
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