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    I'm suprised no one picked this up yet.

    On /. they're saying it'll be about a month's time before OS 5 devices hit the streets. Start saving those pennies!
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    Honestly, this isn't that big of a deal to me. What's special about OS5?
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    It turns the Palm into a Pocket PC.
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    Palm has said that of their next 3 devices, one will be a new budget unit (sold at "less than $100"--i.e. probably $99.99--I hate that marketing approach, but that's another story), one will be a smartphone, and one will be

    As the first smartphone to run OS 5 (or so most seem to think on PalmInfocenter), it'll be interesting to see how it compares to the Treo, and what if anything it means for future Treo models running OS 5. Handspring has to have some sort of plan in mind, even though they haven't made any comment yet.

    At least the "no Flash ROM" policy can't hurt them here, since no earlier devices will be upgradeable to OS 5 (unless a stripped-down version is released for upgrading).
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    I was wondering with OS5 palm supports ARM processors...
    In theory Palm OS5 should be able to run on PPC hardware then...

    Interesting idea...
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    This (running on PPC hardware) is what I was hoping they'd do. Since most PPC devices have FLASH, it would not only give them readily available development platforms, but it would also allow current PPC users to run PalmOS, if they so choose.

    However, it appears that most of the time it's going to be running in some sort of 68k emulation mode (probably running only on a Moto processor, since Moto bought an ARM license a while back) with code written in ARM assembler only for critical subroutines (i'm guessing the multimedia routines), so I'm not sure it will run on standard PPC hardware.

    Still, it'll be interesting to see what HW this can run on, since I'll be in the market for a new PDA this fall.
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    Originally posted by sowens
    This (running on PPC hardware) is what I was hoping they'd do. Since most PPC devices have FLASH, it would not only give them readily available development platforms, but it would also allow current PPC users to run PalmOS, if they so choose.
    I think the biggest hurdle to that will be at the driver level. I'm sure that some iPaq people might try overcoming that (since they've been able to port Linux to it). Do any other PocketPCs have Linux on them yet?
    However, it appears that most of the time it's going to be running in some sort of 68k emulation mode (probably running only on a Moto processor, since Moto bought an ARM license a while back)
    Moto isn't Palm's choice for their hardware. Texas Instruments' OMAP is, so that's not the case.
    with code written in ARM assembler only for critical subroutines (i'm guessing the multimedia routines),
    I was under the impression that most of the routines were being translated (more like a WINE type environment rather than a VMWARE one).
    so I'm not sure it will run on standard PPC hardware.
    I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an iPaq sporting OS 5.
    Still, it'll be interesting to see what HW this can run on, since I'll be in the market for a new PDA this fall.
    Ditto (well my self-imposed deadline is Christmas, but that's more of a latest I'll be getting something new rather than earliest).
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    Originally posted by Toby
    Moto isn't Palm's choice for their hardware. Texas Instruments' OMAP is, so that's not the case.
    I thought the Dragonball was Moto only, since it's a 68k core. So TI licenses the architecture from Moto?

    I was under the impression that most of the routines were being translated (more like a WINE type environment rather than a VMWARE one).
    Just going by what I've read in the articles, which claim that only certain things were getting translated for speed purposes, but that everything else would be left alone.

    It could be the typical misunderstanding by the journalists, and all the higher-level code is written in C and therefore only requires a recompile (not that it ever actually works out that way). I guess time will tell.
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    Originally posted by sowens
    I thought the Dragonball was Moto only, since it's a 68k core. So TI licenses the architecture from Moto?
    More likely that Palm is licensing the bits of that core that they're exploiting (if any) since there's no guarantee which ARM processor their OEMs will choose.
    Just going by what I've read in the articles, which claim that only certain things were getting translated for speed purposes, but that everything else would be left alone.
    *shrug* I got the impression that the stuff that would be left alone was the APIs. IOW, people would still write to the OS4 API, and OS5 would translate it to native ARM through PACE.
    It could be the typical misunderstanding by the journalists, and all the higher-level code is written in C and therefore only requires a recompile (not that it ever actually works out that way). I guess time will tell.
    Yep.
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    You might want to take a look at this recent VC article (and subsequent replies) -- it goes into a lot of the OS 5 emulation/real ARM code questions.
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    Originally posted by bookrats
    You might want to take a look at this recent VC article (and subsequent replies) -- it goes into a lot of the OS 5 emulation/real ARM code questions.
    I think this URL higher up on the page which you link to (in that thread) will shed a bit more light on the point I was trying to make, though. It confirms what I was saying (and remembering...whew ). Although one is writing to the same APIs as the dragonball-based Palms, there isn't anything emulating a dragonball. It's translation from those APIs to native ARM.
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    Originally posted by Toby
    It's translation from those APIs to native ARM.
    Yeah, "translation" is definitely the keyword.

    What's most interesting me is that PACE is about the ONLY thing that is producing/executing ARM code under OS 5. Even if you have ARM compilation tools for the Palm, it sounds as if your options are fairly limited.
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    Originally posted by Toby
    I think this URL higher up on the page which you link to (in that thread) will shed a bit more light on the point I was trying to make, though. It confirms what I was saying (and remembering...whew ). Although one is writing to the same APIs as the dragonball-based Palms, there isn't anything emulating a dragonball. It's translation from those APIs to native ARM.
    That makes sence, use the same API handles.. it just uses a different API per hardware.
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    Hmm. Sounds like OS 5=Flop until Palm can swallow their current programs and port it to run on StrongARM nativly. Otherwise your basically running programs that work fine at 16MHz at 206MHz
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    Originally posted by Techie2000
    Hmm. Sounds like OS 5=Flop until Palm can swallow their current programs and port it to run on StrongARM nativly. Otherwise your basically running programs that work fine at 16MHz at 206MHz
    I'm beginning to think that all of the PDA manufacturers are going to be in the middle of an upheaval within the near future. PocketPC is touting the XScales as their Next Big Thing, but there's apparently not going to be any of the XScale features supported for a while in the OS (most importantly the supposed power-saving benefits).
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    Originally posted by sowens
    On /. they're saying it'll be about a month's time before OS 5 devices hit the streets.
    Don't believe everything you read on SlashDot. OS5 based hardware won't hit the market until early Q4.

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