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    http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-883914.html

    Interesting; although rather expensive.

    It is rather amazing what can be crammed into something this small.
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    $1000 for 1GHz, 256MB RAM and a 10GB HD in a hand-held? With color VGA screen? That's only double what an Ipaq costs, and it blows the Ipaq out of the water!

    Here's another good article about it:
    http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html

    and:
    http://www.oqo.com/
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    ThirdMan
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    you know... This really is the future of what all comptuing is going to. You have your entire internals in this one device, and your data is stored with you. Your work has a larger display and keyboard, and so does your home. You can access all your data from all three places, you have the physical security too that you are in control of it. Not that I would want to run XP on this thing. ICK!


    It also reminds me of some of my young idealistic thoughts. I think Xmas 02 I was hoping for a cruesoe based PDA, full color with a hard-drive. I think this is it! 9 horus of battery life on a WinXP system. That is messed up. I've never seen a mobile so high! Cruesoe+ super small LCD makes the world great!
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    hows this for a future handheld possibility?

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html
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    merging 2 threads on the same topic...
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    Yep. Personally, I find it more interesting for what something like it might look like in a year or two.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    A nice replacement for a laptop, if you can afford docking stations (monitor, mouse and keypad) at home and at work.
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
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    Originally posted by bookrats
    A nice replacement for a laptop, if you can afford docking stations (monitor, mouse and keypad) at home and at work.
    It looks like a very interesting device. I think it's going to sink or swim on the accessories, at least for me: the size, weight, and capabilities of the various docking systems will make a big difference.

    Some people use a laptop primarily to shuttle between two places. For them, it doesn't matter much what the docking station weighs, because they can buy two and leave them on their desks. Personally, I use laptops primarily to travel, and the idea of leaving bits of a modular system home is very appealing.
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    Originally posted by John Nowak
    Some people use a laptop primarily to shuttle between two places. For them, it doesn't matter much what the docking station weighs, because they can buy two and leave them on their desks. Personally, I use laptops primarily to travel, and the idea of leaving bits of a modular system home is very appealing.
    I can definitely see why it would be appealing to not have to lug the laptop around. I travel rarely, but the last year I've taken a Palm PDA and a Stowaway Keyboard, and found this to be an acceptable subsitute (for me).

    I'm curious -- what features of this new product appeal over using a current PDA solution (either Palm or PocketPC)? My suspicion is that it's:
    • One central PC that has all your documents and work, and all the applications you use in the office, with you at all times
    • Ability to send and receive e-mail (can be done on a PDA w/Modem)
    • The ability to view Word, Excel or Powerpoint documents that are attached to said e-mail (can be done, I hear, but with a certain amount of arm-twisting (less on a Pocket PC I'd assume)
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
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    Originally posted by bookrats
    I'm curious -- what features of this new product appeal over using a current PDA solution (either Palm or PocketPC)? My suspicion is that it's:
    • One central PC that has all your documents and work, and all the applications you use in the office, with you at all times
    That's it exactly. Neither Palm or PocketPC can run everything that I use. Palm is the more serviceable 'desktop companion' for me, but if they could pack a 1-2GHz processor, 512MB RAM, and a 20-40GB hard drive into a device the size of a Palm with reasonable battery life, I wouldn't need a 'companion' since the 'desktop' would do it all. This and the IBM Metapad aren't _quite_ there yet for me, but they show promise.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    Is it just me, or does there seem to be a problem with running desktop applications on a handheld device? (check out the attached photo..) -- forget about bringing up any type of configuration dialog --- they don't fit on the display.
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    Originally posted by Cerulean
    Is it just me, or does there seem to be a problem with running desktop applications on a handheld device? (check out the attached photo..) -- forget about bringing up any type of configuration dialog --- they don't fit on the display.
    Well, the specs specifically say "four inch, high-resolution super bright VGA color LCD". VGA, by definition, has to be at least 640x480... so unless they are being 100% misleading, this screen should be very usable for any desktop app. Especially if they use a virtual desktop. That is, if the screen displays a 640x480 scrollable window of a 1024x768 desktop (like they do on the Crusoe-based Fujitsu mini-notebook).
    Last edited by ThirdMan; 04/18/2002 at 05:41 PM.
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    whoops .. overlooked that .. now i guess the question becomes -- on a device that size, is 640x480 truly useable? seems like it would be awfully small to me..

    joe
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    Originally posted by Cerulean
    whoops .. overlooked that .. now i guess the question becomes -- on a device that size, is 640x480 truly useable? seems like it would be awfully small to me..

    joe
    Thats the thing that worries me too...

    But maybe they have a lower-res mode for PDA like functions and you switch to 'full screen' when connected to a monitor...
    Guesses...guesses...
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    Originally posted by Cerulean
    whoops .. overlooked that .. now i guess the question becomes -- on a device that size, is 640x480 truly useable? seems like it would be awfully small to me..
    Not to mention all the desktop apps that expect that either a keyboard or a mouse are available (or both). Very slow going.

    I think the power of this item is, as stated earlier, is carrying your entire PC desktop wherever you go. However, for getting real use out of it without a docking station, you may need "mobile" versions of your main apps, that are designed for the central device's limited I/O and display. Probably offer a subset of the functionality.
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
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    Hmm, I have a home laptop, a full desk system at home and at work, and a PDA (well, actually 3 of them!)

    If this thing allowed me to integrate the components I already have (traditional monitor, network, keyboard, mouse, printer(s), USB devices, scanner, etc.), then I could:

    - Phase out my laptop totally,
    - Eliminate some or all of the PDA's, depending on things like speed and simplicity,
    - Shuttle the device between home and work and use the existing devices already there and
    - Be able to use the device independently in-between.

    Wow!
    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are at!
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    Originally posted by Cerulean
    whoops .. overlooked that .. now i guess the question becomes -- on a device that size, is 640x480 truly useable? seems like it would be awfully small to me..
    I fooled around with the numbers, and if the screen is 4" long, and if it is running at 640x480, it would be roughly the same dot pitch as a 17" monitor running at 1600x1200. Tiny, but usable (if your glasses prescription is up to date!).
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    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    But maybe they have a lower-res mode for PDA like functions and you switch to 'full screen' when connected to a monitor...
    That was my thought as well. Have it default to PIM apps when undocked, preferably using a Palm GUI - but undoubtedly not, and have it act like a regular desktop when docked.

    The other thing that worries me is boot time. I can't say as I'd put up with a pda I had to wait 30 secs or more for it to boot whenever I wanted to calculate my dinner tip. Of course, with the
    RAM it's going to have, it could very easily load the Palm OS-ish GUI into RAM before killing the power to everything else. If this thing is thought out, it could be incredible. If not, it could very sincerely suck (rather like an El Camino - the comfortable ride of a truck with the towing power of a car).
    Last edited by dick-richardson; 04/20/2002 at 09:34 AM.
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    Originally posted by bookrats


    I'm curious -- what features of this new product appeal over using a current PDA solution (either Palm or PocketPC)? My suspicion is that it's:
    I have also used my Visor with a landline modem and keyboard as a laptop replacement, and it handles the important stuff (composing emails to friends that say "I'm on vacation and you're not, ha ha ha!"). Still, I'd like to be able to send photographs back to them of the beautiful things I'm seeing, in order to heap even more ashes upon their heads. It's an important part of travel. Mark Twain alluded to it in _Innocents Abroad._

    I guess I'm like the customer focus group in "Dilbert." I want a 15" screen I can put in my pocket. OQO won't provide that, but they have a good shot at getting closer to it.

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