View Poll Results: What Should I Buy

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  • Mythical color CDMA Treo

    7 17.95%
  • Sharp Zarus

    5 12.82%
  • Sony NR-70

    15 38.46%
  • Wait for OS 5

    8 20.51%
  • Pocket PC (Probably an HP 567)

    4 10.26%
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  1. #21  
    Regarding your marks against the Sony:
    1. Support will be there regardless of OS 5 - not to mention that it may be 6 months or so before Sony comes out with an OS 5 device. IOW, I wouldn't worry about it.
    2. The thumboard is in addition to graffiti - IOW, I wouldn't worry about it, either. If it doesn't get used, the functionality of the device won't be compromised - unlike the keyboarded treo.
    3. I don't see how a serial cable would be 'kludgier' than a cradle. Either you get an adapter for the cradle (that you probably wouldn't see behind the computer anyway), or use the cable you mentioned. Personally, I'd take the portability of a cable over the cradle anyway. IOW, the only disadvantage is the added cost. The other option is to embrace the wonder that is USB.

    At any rate, if others are getting annoyed, it is their own fault.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  2. #22  
    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    Regarding your marks against the Sony:
    1. Support will be there regardless of OS 5 - not to mention that it may be 6 months or so before Sony comes out with an OS 5 device. IOW, I wouldn't worry about it.
    I agree. Some of the other drawbacks to the Sony I can see -- while there are a number of ways to get modem access, I'm not clear how much munging around it takes to get your Clie hooked up to a modem/cell phone -- but OS5 compatibility just doesn't seem to me to be that big of an issue.

    This is because OS5 really isn't bringing much to the party, except for faster execution on ARM processers. And because the OS5 API is being built to be so close to the current Palm OS API (and the huge number of Palm OS PDAs with Palm OS 2,3 and 4 on them), I can't see many 3rd party software releasing Palm OS5 only releases. At least until...

    Palm OS 6 (or 5.5, or whatever), when API functions are added to do all the things that OS5 was originally advertised to do (multi-tasking, etc.)

    Anyway, that's my take on it. I've been reviewing the white papers on the Palm OS5 APIs, but not in-depth; for any who are steeping themselves in Palm OS5 programming, please correct me or disagree with me if you think I've missed the point. Danke.
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
  3.    #23  
    Everyone made great points. I of course ignored them and joined the dark side - I just purchased an HP Jornada 568. I'm probably an ***** for going to a Pocket PC, but it seemed like a time for a change. It's charging as I write this.

    I like the hardware, and it has all of the peripherals I need to replace my aging, buggy Prism - Stowaway, modems, extra (cheap) memory, cables to connect to my cell phone, and serial cradles. There is even a new CF camera that shoots 1 megapixel photos (although I doubt I'll buy that - still no flash). It also has a removable battery, and I plan to buy an extra one. I was careful to buy one that was manufactured very recently, so I shouldn't have the dust problems that have plagued the early units.

    Just so you folks don't think I completely ignored your advice, I did read it and consider it. I'd buy a Handera in a second if it was color, but it's not, yet.

    To answer DR, the big reason I think the serial cable for the Sony is kludgy is that it won't charge the unit while it's plugged in. As I understand it, the NR-70 has Pocket PC-like battery life. That doesn't (obviously) concern me much, as I usually don't have a problem dropping my PDA into a cradle for a couple of hours a day. I'm used to it with my Prism. And I can't upgrade to USB - the old box is the one I use at work, and our IT guy (god love him) is a "Dr. No" type. I do have USB at home.

    I like the Sony NR-70 a lot, and I am already wondering if I made a mistake. It figures that I buy a Pocket PC the day that Blue Nomad announces Word Smith support for the NR70. But I figure I'll give it a shot. I purchased it a Office Depot, which has a 14 day "no questions asked" full-refund return policy. If I don't fall in love with the OS, I will probably return it and give the Sony a try.
  4. #24  
    Originally posted by VTL
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    I like the Sony NR-70 a lot, and I am already wondering if I made a mistake. It figures that I buy a Pocket PC the day that Blue Nomad announces Word Smith support for the NR70. But I figure I'll give it a shot. I purchased it a Office Depot, which has a 14 day "no questions asked" full-refund return policy. If I don't fall in love with the OS, I will probably return it and give the Sony a try.
    T minus 14 days....
    <IMG WIDTH="200" HEIGHT="50" SRC=http://www.visorcentral.com/images/visorcentral.gif> (ex)VisorCentral Discussion Moderator
    Do files get embarrassed when they get unzipped?
  5.    #25  
    Well, I am returning the HP, in record time. It turns out that ActiveSynch 3.5 doesn't work with Windows 95, which is what I am forced to use on my work desktop. You can still download 3.1, but that is incompatible with the firmware on the Jornada itself. There is a work around, but the tech folks at HP were nice and honest, and told me it's pretty unreliable.

    The real solution is for my employer to upgrade to an OS that is not seven-some years old, but I'm told that won't happen until next year.

    So, back to the drawing board. I guess I will wait and see if Think Outside comes out with a keyboard for the Sony NR series. If they do, that's the way I'll end up going. In the meantime, I'll continue to limp along with my brick-like, beat-up and somewhat buggy Prism.
  6. #26  
    Originally posted by VTL
    Well, I am returning the HP, in record time.
    Sorry you're having to go through all the hassle!

    Out of curiosity, did you have the HP long enough to determine whether you liked or disliked the Pocket PC OS?
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
  7.    #27  
    Not really. I didn't hate it, but since I wasn't able to get my data into it I haven't really played with it.

    It's pretty to look at, but that is probably as much a function of the hardware as the OS. If I had a hi-res Sony, I'd probably have the same reaction.

    The one thing I am sure I would have disliked is ActiveSynch. As far as I can tell, Hotsynch has more options.

    I am disappointed the HP didn't work out, but my disappointment is somewhat alleviated by the news that WordSmith is going to support the NR-70, including the soft graffiti area. I'm now leaning towards buying the Sony, and very much looking forward to reading ebooks on the thing.
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by VTL
    I am disappointed the HP didn't work out, but my disappointment is somewhat alleviated by the news that WordSmith is going to support the NR-70, including the soft graffiti area. I'm now leaning towards buying the Sony, and very much looking forward to reading ebooks on the thing.
    Reading text on WordSmith, on a high-res color Clie screen, is just amazing. It's the app I use to show high-res text off with it.

    Another rumored option may be a new Clie. The T600C (Japanese model of the T615C) is getting discontinued, so the T615C may soon follow. Talk about a new T6XXC model, with a virtual grafitti area and a faster processor, is going around.
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
  9. #29  
    I pretty much expected that news about a ne T600 device. Its a no brainer. Basically a 615 with a virtual graffiti area. No MP3, but should have a 66mhz DragonballVZ.

    It will lure a lot of people who thought the NR70 was too big. Hmmmm, I wonder how the Palm M series is doing?
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  10. #30  
    If you've got 95 only at work and can charge at home (while sleeping, etc.), I wouldn't think that would be such a big deal. Get an emergency charger, just in case.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  11. #31  
    I say go for the NR70U/V.

    I bought one recently, and I'm completely in love. The screen is truly a vision - nothing else out there holds a candle to it - and already we're seeing a slew of new and updated applications that take advantage of it. Right now I'm using ActionNames, TinySheet, SilverScreen, and the aforementioned WordSmith - all apps that I had on my old m505, so I didn't have to pay extra for them (thank God). I can't even begin to tell you what a difference it makes having all this real estate to work with. With respect to multimedia, the mp3 player is great (and that little remote control wand is a nice touch) but video playback still leaves a lot to be desired - hey, 66Mhz or not, it's still a DragonBall. Size-wise, it's pretty much on par with my HP 568 (btw, sorry it didn't work out for you - IMHO, it really is the best of the PPC crop). It's a tiny bit longer, a smidgen narrower, and a hair thinner(!). And that's compared to the "naked" HP, sans flip cover. Also, thanks to the magnesium casing and clamshell design(it's the most solid PDA I've ever owned), I find that I don't need a case for it (I'm not too picky about exterior scratches and dings). And, If you don't absolutely, positively need a wireless connection, from what I hear, the Psion IR Travel modem works just fine - provided you can find one (which shouldn't be a problem). The keyboard is useful for quick notes, and has really good tactile feedback, but I do miss my Stowaway - especially in light of the newly invigorated WordSmith. You really have to see it (WS) to believe it. Using FineType, the fonts look just as good as they do on my ThinkPad, and with the extra speed and memory, the SpellChecker and Thesaurus are finally usable. Sure, a Stowaway is on the way, but ask Casio users about what it's like to wait for ThinkOutside to make good on a promise, and you'll understand if I have my doubts about their "Q3" ship date. Of course there is that new PocketTop IR Keyboard - something that I'm seriously looking into.

    All in all, I couldn't be happier. Yes, OS5 devices should be shipping by Fall, but from what I've seen so far, I don't expect them to be that compelling - initially, at least. Ideally, I'd wait until OS6, when we have truly compelling applications and hardware available that take full advantage of the ARM processors. In the meantime, I'm going to be having a great time with my NR70V. So should you.

    -Adam

    PS - I should, in all honesty, mention here that if I wasn't able to get the NR70V for $489 (from Dell), or my 128MB MemStick for $60 (from Buy.com), there's no way I would have bought one of these things. I ain't exactly broke, but I'm no millionaire either...

    PPS - Oh yeah, the camera... Actually, it's not that bad. I've taken some great shots of my nieces that would have been missed otherwise. And it's just the thing for spying on people sitting across from me on the subway (this way I'm prepared for when they get ready to mug me for my Clie).

    PPPS - Man, that swivel is cool! And if you get PageDownHack, it mirrors the application buttons so you can still use them in "tablet" mode.
    Last edited by AdamC; 05/19/2002 at 02:06 AM.
  12.    #32  
    Well, I did buy the NR-70V. I took today off for some family styff, so I got to spend a good part of the day today playing with it. So far, I really like it. The hardware is great.

    I already had a Psion Travel Modem, and yes, it works fine with the Sony, although I'm having some difficulties with Clie Mail - not sure what the problem is yet.

    I also acquired one of the Pockettop IR keyboards - it was on sale. I haven't had a chance to play with it too much, but it's not bad. Not anywhere near as good a keyboard as a Stowaway, but it's serviceable - better than the built-in thumboard. If I get a chance, I'll do a mini-review of the keyboard in combo with the Sony.

    The big test is synching the thing at work. I ordered a serial cable from Brando, which hasn't arrived yet. Hopefully I'll have better luck than I did with the PPC.
  13. #33  
    Originally posted by VTL
    Well, I did buy the NR-70V.
    Thanks for providing the updates, particularly about the pockettop keyboard. I'm still holding out for the Stowaway, but I'm really curious to hear your reactions to it in use. (Along with the NR70 and the modem.)
    Jeff Meyer

    "And he died like he lived: with his mouth wide open."
  14.    #34  
    I will certainly do so.

    On a related point, I received an email back from ThinkOutside this morning stating they will be coming out with a Stowaway for the Sony NR Series in the third quarter - I think that's been mentioned elsewhere, but I thought I'd pass it on.
  15. #35  
    VTL-

    Good luck with your new NR70V - I love mine, and I'm sure you'll end up loving yours as well. And please, let's hear your feelings on the PocketTop IR Keyboard. I've heard some disparaging comments about it on the Cliesource boards, but every opinion counts. Frankly, what I would really like to see are some photos of the PocketTop and NR in use - can you help a brother?

    Also, I'm sure you're already aware of all this crap, but I'll shoot anyway... I know it amounts to little more than eye candy to the "power users", but SilverScreen 2.7 looks GREAT on the NRs, and takes advantage of the virtual grafitti area - you might want to give it a shot. And, speaking of virtual grafitti, look into an app called "SilkScreen" - it lets you skin the VG area. Right now I'm using a killer "Star Trek: Nemesis" theme, which looks as though it came with the Clie. I figured if my wife already thinks I'm a geek, why not go whole hog?

    Have fun!

    - Adam
  16.    #36  
    Thanks for the tips. I'll try and take some pics of the PocketTop this weekend, maybe post something on Monday.
  17.    #37  
    Well, I posted a mini-review of my experience with the Pocketop and my Sony, in a different thread in case other people were interested.

    http://discussion.visorcentral.com/v...threadid=23546

    I also took some photos, but unfortunately my digital camera was set to too-high a resolution, so the individual photos are too big to attach to the post. I'll try and resize them and post them later.
  18.    #38  
    I've had my CLIE for about a week now, but yesterday was the first time I could sync it with my desktop at work - the creaky Win 95 machine. I obtained a serial cradle from Brando since Sony doesn't sell serial cradles.

    It works - after a fashion. The sync process kept halting midstream, with an error message that it couldn't read the data on the CLIE. I messed around with the speed setting, and ended up stepping it down to 9600, which is apparently the default setting on the serial port on the computer side of the setup. That fixes the problem, but of course now the sync process is slooowww. My first "successful" sync lasted more than two hours, partly because it was backing up all of the various databases on the CLIE for the first time. I put "successful" in quotes because the battery died right before it finished. All of the important data got exchanged, including WordSmith and AvantGo.

    I also ended up with a lot of dupes in my address book - I suspect that is partly a problem with switching from PocketMirror to Intellisynch lite. Should be easy to clean up - I hope.

    I hope this slow syncisn't a permanent problem, I just haven't had time to figure out a work-around. Any suggestions?
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