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  1.    #1  
    Well, I think so. I've known about this device for a while, but someone mentioned it to me just recently. oh man... i got all excited about this thing and searched the web for articles.

    thorins' list of key reasons why this device rocks.

    -proxy browsing..a server(comes with the devices for the telecom co's) will compress all the pictures on webpages before sending them to your hiptop. result.. ultra fast download times. all GPRS of course.

    -fully server based pim functions and settings. all your stuff in on a server, so if you lose it, you don't lose your email, contact list, bookmarks and such

    -24bit colour alert led. I dont know what possesed them to add this feature, but yes, you can adjust the colour of your alert led. the jog dial lights up as the alert)

    -email with attachments. word, pdf, everything.

    -"every kind of messaging system supported" ... thats quite a claim....

    -java based UI OS. people will be writing programs for this device. games, and all sorts of cool stuff

    -modular. . they just swap one chip and it will work on CDMA, and any frequency of GSM

    -IRDA and USB ports.

    -high res screen. 240x160 (a palmpilot is 160x160)

    -variable clock rate ARM 7 processor. rons at any freq. between 2 and 66mhz. saves batteries, but the power is there when you need it!

    -16mb ram

    -polyphonic ringer.

    -digital camera attachment. I couldnt find any numbers as to the exact res. of the camera, but one article said that it was colour, and had "fairly good resolution". oh lord i hope that means 640x480. cause thats about the minumum useful res for digicams.

    -steve "Woz" wozniak is on the board of directors.

    -they have actual working models

    -its coming out in fall(spring in the US) and its going to be pretty darn cheap. ~200$us.




    and of course, linkage: www.danger.com

    Treo size comparison:

    treo: 4.3" x 2.7" x 0.7"
    hiptop: 4.5" x 2.6" x 1.1"
    -thorin

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  2. #2  
    Originally posted by thorin
    -proxy browsing
    Proxy browsing has its ups and downs (ask anyone who's used Blazer). It's fast but frequently has problems with dynamic content.

    -fully server based pim functions and settings.
    This is a good thing but as wireless becomes more ubiquitious, we'll be seeing that capability in most handhelds.

    -email with attachments. word, pdf, everything.
    That is good only if the device has software that can generate/view the attachments.

    -java based UI OS.
    On a 66MHz Dragonball?! Ouch. Java is cool but it needs a lot of horsepower to get decent performance.

    -high res screen. 240x160 (a palmpilot is 160x160)
    That's not much improvement over 160x160. It's going to look pretty weak side by side with all the Sonys and PocketPCs.

    -variable clock rate ARM 7 processor.
    It will be interesting to see if that does any better in terms of power management than current idle mode techniques. I have my doubts.

    -steve "Woz" wozniak is on the board of directors.
    That doesn't mean he has any technical involvement in the project. Woz is a brilliant technical guy - not a shrewd businessman like Jobs or Gates.

    -its coming out in fall(spring in the US) and its going to be pretty darn cheap. ~200$us.


    It will have to be cheap - monochrome devices are fast becoming a tough sell. But the real key (since this device is targeted for wireless use) will be the cost of wireless service plans for it. The biggest barrier to wireless penetration right now is not the lack of devices, it's the cost of service. Until that changes, handhelds designed around wireless are going to be competing for a relatively small market.
    <ul><li>Dave Kessler<br>President - Kopsis, Inc.</li></ul>
  3. #3  
    Originally posted by thorin

    -its coming out in fall(spring in the US)
    I'll believe that when I see it.
    Jeff
  4.    #4  
    Originally posted by dkessler


    Proxy browsing has its ups and downs (ask anyone who's used Blazer). It's fast but frequently has problems with dynamic content.

    stil, real http browsing is way better than WAP.



    Originally posted by dkessler


    That is good only if the device has software that can generate/view the attachments.

    If the email client is server based(which i suspect it will be), you only need the server to be able to convert the attachments to html, viewable as a webpage. at any rate, try to create and send an attachemtn with the palm os.. theres not many options..

    Originally posted by dkessler


    On a 66MHz Dragonball?! Ouch. Java is cool but it needs a lot of horsepower to get decent performance.
    No, 66mhz ARM processor.

    Originally posted by dkessler


    That's not much improvement over 160x160. It's going to look pretty weak side by side with all the Sonys and PocketPCs.
    but still cheaper then sony or pocket pcs, and you can't make a phone call with one of those.


    Originally posted by dkessler


    It will be interesting to see if that does any better in terms of power management than current idle mode techniques. I have my doubts.
    It has an Li battery. and promises "life equivilant to an average phone"



    Originally posted by dkessler


    That doesn't mean he has any technical involvement in the project. Woz is a brilliant technical guy - not a shrewd businessman like Jobs or Gates.
    That was kind of a spurious "plus" point, ill admit. nevertheless, it means he has respect for the product from a technical standpoint... besides, you need a "shrewed businessman" to make the product sell well... regardless of whether it is a good product or not.

    Originally posted by dkessler


    It will have to be cheap - monochrome devices are fast becoming a tough sell. But the real key (since this device is targeted for wireless use) will be the cost of wireless service plans for it. The biggest barrier to wireless penetration right now is not the lack of devices, it's the cost of service. Until that changes, handhelds designed around wireless are going to be competing for a relatively small market.
    At that price, with this feature set, i think it'll work. The device is targeted at young consumers.. the price is a big issue. i beleive one of the articles i read said approx 25$us /mo for unlimited data.

    oh yes, and a color screened device is "in the future"

    Also, the screen is replaceable(easily. no major dissasembly required) and expected to cost much less than the 80$ handspring charges.
    Last edited by thorin; 03/25/2002 at 07:32 AM.
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  5. #5  
    Bad design cripples it. I need voice w/out a annoying cable. I also wonder about usability... it seems to have a bunch of features slapped together without much thought... I guess we'll have to wait until it's out there in number.
  6.    #6  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    Bad design cripples it. I need voice w/out a annoying cable. I also wonder about usability... it seems to have a bunch of features slapped together without much thought... I guess we'll have to wait until it's out there in number.
    no cable needed look below. and in my opionon, after all ive read(and ive read everything there is to read about it on the web) it has EXCELLENT design.






    also see thier FAQ.. it answers many questions.
    http://www.danger.com/faq.php

    ps. the OS is multitasking!
    Last edited by thorin; 03/25/2002 at 07:52 AM.
    -thorin

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  7. #7  
    The danger with this device (no pun intended) is that you are screwed if it cannot connect to the proprietary server. What happen when you are in a location with no wireless service? What happen when the server goes down? I can see kids snapping these up like hotcakes..they are certainly better than the clunky VBox from Motorola... but I can't see business professionals and other "productivity" users using this thing.
  8. #8  
    Hang though Thorin. I've been watching the DANGER device for the last three months as well. I agree with your assesment and given the chance, I'll probably pick one up just to play with it.
    "Stupid Handspring."
  9. #9  
    Release date of fall (aka spring)... is that of Fall 01 where we "should" see it in the coming months???

    Mike
  10.    #10  
    Originally posted by MikeD
    Release date of fall (aka spring)... is that of Fall 01 where we "should" see it in the coming months???

    Mike
    this thing has already been in the works for some time now. working prototypes were shown at CES in january of this year. Thats when they gave this release info.

    so it looks like its actually going to happen.

    i personally think the lack of jaw dropping technology in it makes it a winner. off the shelf, baby. if it promised a zillion gb of ram an OLED screen and a bajillion kbps download speed.. well, i wouldnt be so optomistic. basically, it looks realistic .
    -thorin

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  11. #11  
    Sounds good to me, but the PIM will have to live up to PalmOS or better, otherwise it's just another cell phone. If it can't replace a PalmOS or PocketPC device in features, then we'll end up carrying both anyways, so we'll probably drop this Danger HipTop device. It sounds promising, but if it can't preform as good or better than the PDAs or today, it's no better than any other phone out there. The email and instant messaging sound promising, if they WORK. The Treo is a PalmOS device, which is proven great, AND a phone, that's why it's doing so well, just a little expensive I think. As for this thing, we'll see...
    nelson.hsieh
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  12.    #12  
    Originally posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD
    Sounds good to me, but the PIM will have to live up to PalmOS or better, otherwise it's just another cell phone. If it can't replace a PalmOS or PocketPC device in features, then we'll end up carrying both anyways, so we'll probably drop this Danger HipTop device. It sounds promising, but if it can't preform as good or better than the PDAs or today, it's no better than any other phone out there. The email and instant messaging sound promising, if they WORK. The Treo is a PalmOS device, which is proven great, AND a phone, that's why it's doing so well, just a little expensive I think. As for this thing, we'll see...
    i agree. the pim functions must be very good, or you'd have to carry around a palm too. and that would be redundant.

    as for the treo being "a little overpriced", IMHO, its more like higway robbery. i can't believe it costs them so much to make a cellphone with a palmpilot in it.
    -thorin

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