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    #41  
    Originally posted by ****-richardson

    Again, your arguments are less than **** poor.
    Ah, so glad to see that you're making such a strong effort to elevate the level of your discourse.

    Still don't however see any concrete examples, either to refute my points or for that matter even to support or explain your own nebulous comments.
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  2. #42  
    Originally posted by MHCohn


    Ah, so glad to see that you're making such a strong effort to elevate the level of your discourse.

    Until a mod says otherwise, the level of my discourse is fine. Maybe you're reading more in my posts than is actually there? You do seem to be having trouble following who's arguing what.






    Still don't however see any concrete examples, either to refute my points or for that matter even to support or explain your own nebulous comments.

    My comments were very clear. I don't understand where the confusion for you comes in. For example, "I'd also like to point out that Zap! looks anything but pixelated on the Clie or handera line," is concrete and refutes your point. If I would've thought you were unintelligent, I would've responded differently to you initially. Let me know if you'd like me to quote your points, quote my response, and then explicitely lay out exactly how it's either concrete or refutes your arguments in general (e.g. the comment about Zap was concrete - whereas my statement that PalmOS expansion is there to be utilized refuted your request that I find a device that does everything w/o expansion as if that were a good thing on a more general level). I refuse to coddle you, but I will bring forth a couple examples for your perusal if you like.
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    guy's play nice... etc etc..
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  4. #44  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    guy's play nice... etc etc..
    My apologies if I have done otherwise.
    -Joshua
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  5. #45  
    Originally posted by MHCohn
    mp3s and audiible books?? With no attachments? Name the unit. And the price. Top model Clie has mp3s, but no audible books and what's the largest memory stick on store shelves. And the price of the unit and stick?

    Which Palm model allows you to use one type of storage and a module (gps, mp3. camera, modem etc) at the same time? Handera? What is available? Have you actually tried it?

    Name the game that looks better on Palm OS than PPC. Zap 2016? Pixilated!
    Ok, you guys are getting a little weird...but you'll have to admit, PalmOS may not be able to do EVERYTHING a PPC can do, but have we started listing what a PalmOS PDA can do, that a PPC can't? All we've been talking about is what a PalmOS PDA can't do, that a PPC can.

    When we're getting into MP3 and audible books, we're getting into a VERY small number of people. I mean, how many people even listen to audible books? If they do, then yes, they'll buy an attachment. If they wanna listen to music, it's nice to have it with you, but seriously, if I'm going to listen to music, I'm gonna use my stand alone player, it's better, and it's built for that purpose. If I wanna listen to MP3s, I'll take it with me. However, there are those times that your without your standalone, and wanna hear a quick tune, and that's cool. Though, it doesn't happen often. Memory Stick prices are freakin cheap now! $30 for 64 MB, $60 for 128 MB..not bad. And 128 MB can hold around 4 hours of music. I wouldn't even come close to listening to that much music in a day. Maybe on a road trip, but how often do we go on long road trips?

    PalmOS machines now handle memory expansion very well. VFS is doing quite well. Now, I don't see a single situation where you'll need storage while using GPS, camera, or modem at the same time. Maybe modem...If you're the type to waste money on buying GPS or a camera for your PDA, then still, I dunno when you'd need both. Hands down, a stand alone GPS or digi cam is wayyyy better. There can be a point where, it's trying to do TOO much, and can't handle it...

    As for games...as long as its playable. I mean, not going to NOT play the game just cuz it doesn't look as good. Even the best games, like CounterStrike, don't look very good, and we still play them. It's the matter of the playability, not the looks. Zap! is a very playable game. It's designed well for PalmOS. Doom, Quake, is not so well designed. It was not intended for PPC...

    Just some thoughts, that PalmOS can do a lot too...and many times, I think the PPC line is trying to do too much. Anyone can realize that stand alones for many things are better.
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  6. #46  
    Azncomputahead, if you want a game designed for PPC, go get Turjah, or Turjah II, both are pretty much Zap2000 but twice as good. As for Doom, it wasn't designed for PPC, but it runs just fine, Quake is another matter but it's definitely playable either way.

    Some other great PPC games

    Snails (worms clone)
    Hyperspace delivery boy
    Leo's Flight Simulator (think MS FS 2000 on PPC, love to see a Palm do that)
    Racing Days

    And for audio playback, a 128 MB CF card goes for 37 bucks right now, and on 128 MB, I can store twice as much music as a Clie with the same audio quality, the simple point is, if you even just want to listen to a few minutes of music, a PPC can do it with you having to spend less money on external memory.

    You have a point about using GPS and digicam at the same time, but what if someone wanted to use a GPS module while still using their storage card memory?

    How is PPC trying to do too much? It does what it's doing just fine.
  7. #47  
    Originally posted by ****-richardson

    You keep making my point for me, and, while I appreciate it, I think that between the two of us the poor gents here have been flogged with it enough for the evening.
    Something must have been in the air yesteryday. You get involved in an argument here, and I go into whiny overload over in another thread. Maybe I was drunk?
  8. #48  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn

    Something must have been in the air yesteryday. You get involved in an argument here, and I go into whiny overload over in another thread. Maybe I was drunk?
    07 posts to the board and the guy is already ignoring you!

    Wish I had found the Ignore Button that quickly.
    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. JOHN 14:2
  9. #49  
    Originally posted by GSR13
    07 posts to the board and the guy is already ignoring you!
    Wish I had found the Ignore Button that quickly.
    Ouch. ...Though, if you're serious, you don't know that you've caused me pain b/c you're ignoring me... or maybe... oh, wait, I'm getting off topic.

    APPLES!

    ORANGES!

    ...ok, seriously, I agree that these devices have overlapping functions and that it is possible to argue over which one is better. but it's a question of standards. Is your standard "the most functionality in the most ways at the most times", then PPC will be your choice at the cost of speed, battery life, size, and perhaps ease of use. Is your standard "The apps I need without infringing upon my life," then your choice will be Palm at the cost of bells, whistles, and so on.

    ...or at least, that's how the debate used to be reasonably settled. Now it's more complicated because the Palms are beefing up and the PPC's, well, they seem to have fired the rock apes that were designing them and started making them easier and better. Now "Can your Palm do that" is a legitimate question and essentially boils down this little argument here, and I have to side with D-R on this one and say that except for a couple of things, Yes, my palm can do that just fine, thank you.
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    #50  
    Originally posted by AzNCoMpUtAnErD
    Ok, you guys are getting a little weird...but you'll have to admit, that PalmOS can do a lot too
    Agreed, on both points.

    Just to reiterate where I stand and where I'm coming from: I'm not a PPC or MS cheerleader. I've bought three Visors and still have two, a Deluxe for backup and emergeny and a Prism for daily use. I've got a number of modules including 8 mg, modem, memplug, magellan gps and Audible Advisor. Also a number of extras like the Targus keyboard, Vaja case portable charger, battery pack and probably a lot of other stuff that doesn't immediately come to mind.

    Oh yeah, I have stock in Palm and HS (though due to their performance, unfortunately, a lot less sizable investments than they used to be)

    I love the Visor, I believed in it -- or at least what is has been up to now. And I demonstrated my affection in the way any company most wants: I bought product as well as invested. Thus the fact that I even considered pulling out an unused iPaq and looking at it's abilities was (for me) significant.

    On second look and with the new OS available programs, I was impressed. The newer 2002 units are even more impressive.

    In contrast I have been disappointed by the Edge, the Neo (Plat was okay for what it was) and I'm underwhelmed by the Treo. (then again, I'm not a cell phone addict, I'm quite happy with my three year old Nokia 6150). I'm dismayed by the abandonment of the Springboard module. I don't think too much of where Palm's OS appears to be going.

    I'm not jumping ship or advocating that anyone else do so, but if it wants to succeed and remain in the market, a company must took soberly at the competition.

    There's a lot to look at currently in the PPC area.

    P.S.-
    >>, if I'm going to listen to music, I'm gonna use my stand alone player, it's better, and it's built for that purpose. <<

    I'm not at all sure I agree with that statement. My kids both have Nomad IIs (a "c" and an "mg"), and they agree that sound, ease of use, loading and listening are no better and capacity is less. True, they're smaller, but with a PPC I avoid having to carry two gizmos just to have my calendar and music available the same time.
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  11. #51  
    Originally posted by MHCohn
    [...] Perhaps, but only if you would provide some concrete examples of Palm OS units that have the options which you claim "are available"
    Could you in return provide an example of a non-multimedia function which PPCs have which no Palm has available as an option (seriously)?
    mp3s and audiible books?? With no attachments?
    Why exactly is 'no attachments' a qualifier? If it's not a core function of the device and is going to be used by a small portion of the market, it _should_ be separate.
    Name the unit. And the price. Top model Clie has mp3s, but no audible books and what's the largest memory stick on store shelves. And the price of the unit and stick?
    You could use a Visor with a minijam and Goldwave. The price is going to be variable depending on which Visor and how much memory you get with the Minijam, though.
    Which Palm model allows you to use one type of storage and a module (gps, mp3. camera, modem etc) at the same time? Handera? What is available? Have you actually tried it?
    Handera, and any Palm with SD and a Universal Connector.
    Name the game that looks better on Palm OS than PPC. Zap 2016? Pixilated!
    Don't know...don't care.
    Now for the washer dryer, the range the refrigerator and everything behind Door #3:

    Name the one Palm unit that does all of those... [...]
    Your question is a red herring.
    Geez. Not that any of that makes a damn bit of difference. But if you're going to compose a snotty answer, at least have the facts.
    Actually, your attitude to which Josh responded could certainly be classified as 'snotty' and 'condescending', so I wouldn't be so quick to take that tack if I were you. The only reason _I_ didn't respond as he did is more indicative of _my_ personal preference rather than thinking that it didn't deserve such a response.
    Oh well, at least you volunteered the fact that it was you, not Toby, with the juvenile attitude.
    Maybe you should look in the mirror.
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  12. #52  
    Originally posted by b1lanceman
    [...] You have a point about using GPS and digicam at the same time, but what if someone wanted to use a GPS module while still using their storage card memory?
    Then they'd need to get a Handera or a Palm with SD (or rig a Visor to GPS cable). FYI...using a standalone GPS is quite possible and much more desirable if one actually does any sort of outdoor activities. Personally, I wouldn't want to take a $500 Handera and GPS combo ($299+$199) out into the woods, nevertheless a $700-800 PPC combo ($499-599+$199), when a $99-200 standalone GPS would hold up much better.
    How is PPC trying to do too much? It does what it's doing just fine.
    Then why exactly are you frequenting a PalmOS PDA board? There must be _something_ that those PPCs can't do that would bring you here. I'm honestly curious.
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    #53  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn

    Now it's more complicated because the Palms are beefing up and the PPC's, well, they seem to have fired the rock apes that were designing them and started making them easier and better. Now "Can your Palm do that" is a legitimate question and essentially boils down this little argument here
    Gee, some people have a way of phrasing things so much better and diplomatically. Oh well, next life.

    Actually, though, it wasn't even my intention to throw down the challenge of "Can your Palm do that?" but rather to say, "Hey, look at what the PPC can do now."
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    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    Ouch. ...Though, if you're serious, you don't know that you've caused me pain b/c you're ignoring me... [...]
    Who cares if some ostrich wants to ignore you? You answered the guy's question. C'est la vie.
    ...ok, seriously, I agree that these devices have overlapping functions and that it is possible to argue over which one is better. but it's a question of standards. Is your standard "the most functionality in the most ways at the most times", then PPC will be your choice at the cost of speed, battery life, size, and perhaps ease of use. Is your standard "The apps I need without infringing upon my life," then your choice will be Palm at the cost of bells, whistles, and so on.

    ...or at least, that's how the debate used to be reasonably settled. Now it's more complicated because the Palms are beefing up and the PPC's, well, they seem to have fired the rock apes that were designing them and started making them easier and better. Now "Can your Palm do that" is a legitimate question and essentially boils down this little argument here, and I have to side with D-R on this one and say that except for a couple of things, Yes, my palm can do that just fine, thank you.
    Exactly. The problem seems to be that many PPC promoters honestly can't grasp the concept that games or music or videos might not be important to a 'power user' or even define what a 'power user' is other than apparently assuming that it means 'someone who wants the most bells and whistles regardless of how it affects the interface or use'. Taking that line to its logical conclusion would require that a 'power user' carry around the biggest baddest laptop they can get, since if they were really a 'power user', they would make the sacrifice to get all that extra functionality that a PDA just can't provide. Then extending that, they'd need to start carting around a 'real' desktop computer because laptops just don't have as many features as a 'real' desktop... Then next thing you know, we're all driving our Crays around town just in case we need to write down somebody's address or look up an appointment. Personally, I like to drive mine around in a flatbed with King's X or Dream Theater playing live in the back just so I'm never anywhere without music. Riding shotgun is a professional photographer just in case I see something I want to capture. Mounted on the top of the cab is my GPS to constantly track my position and send the tellemetry back to base camp.
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    #55  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Then why exactly are you frequenting a PalmOS PDA board? There must be _something_ that those PPCs can't do that would bring you here. I'm honestly curious.
    Uhm... 'scuse me? Isn't this the Other Areas of Interest/ All Handhelds board???

    What exactly is it you would expect to find here?
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  16. #56  
    Originally posted by MHCohn
    [...] Actually, though, it wasn't even my intention to throw down the challenge of "Can your Palm do that?" but rather to say, "Hey, look at what the PPC can do now."
    So, what exactly can it do now? I'm still waiting for an answer to that question. Is multimedia it?
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    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    Ouch. ...Though, if you're serious, you don't know that you've caused me pain b/c you're ignoring me... or maybe... oh, wait, I'm getting off topic.
    Well, he did put on you on Ignore. But I was joking about me putting you on ignore. You, D-R, and Toby offer up the most interesting reading around. Why would I want to ignore that?
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  18. #58  
    Originally posted by MHCohn
    Uhm... 'scuse me? Isn't this the Other Areas of Interest/ All Handhelds board???
    Yes, on _VisorCentral_. What would bring someone to a site devoted to a particular maker of PDAs to advocate PPCs? The implication would seem to either be that one is trolling, or that one actually has/had a use for Visors that a PPC couldn't fulfill. Why is it not a legitimate question to ask? For example, I still frequent this board because I own a Visor Edge, and my wife owns a Visor Deluxe. My next PDA will more than likely not be a Visor. When that day comes, there will be much less of a motivating factor for me to frequent this site. It seems only logical that I would find a site with more relevant data to my current PDA state. Again, I'm just curious at someone else's motivation when there's no obvious connection.
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    #59  
    Originally posted by Toby
    Exactly. The problem seems to be that many PPC promoters honestly can't grasp the concept that games or music or videos might not be important to a 'power user' or even define what a 'power user' is other than apparently assuming that it means 'someone who wants the most bells and whistles regardless of how it affects the interface or use'
    Toby, arguing that you wouldn't want the extra bells and whistles is fine when you're merely discussing your own personal preference for a PDA. But I wasn't arguing for or trying to convince you to buy a PPC. What I was saying is that their PPC has really improved and also comes with those bells and whistles (for that matter, if you don't need the extra storage, the naked iPaq is lighter and thinner than my Prism).

    'Course that assumes that you're satisfied with it's basic essential PIM functions. OKay, now you're not, you think that it's overly complicated and doesn't handle those basic operations as well as Palm does. Fine. But that too is a personal preference and opinion nothing more nothing less.

    I used to agree with that. But recently I tried the new OS and find it much better. And it integrates perfectly with my office Outlook, right out of the box whereas with my Prism I had to go out and buy Desktop to Go. For me...easier simpler.

    And I don't need to buy Docs to Go or Wordsmith to integrate with Word or Excel. So for me it works as a PIM and has the bells and whistles you may not need, and I don't need, but if they are there I will use. And don't look now but the price difference on many of the available PPCs are not that much more than higher end Palm OS units.

    Simple fact is, without wanting to incite Jihad on any side, MS has --in my opinion-- made more strides recently than Palm and HS. Now you may not care about my opinion, but given my buying habits and those of my colleagues I influence or buy for, I'll bet Palm and Handspring do care.
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  20. #60  
    Originally posted by Toby
    So, what exactly can it do now? I'm still waiting for an answer to that question. Is multimedia it?
    The only thing I have yet to see a PPC do that a Palm cannot is be mounted as a drive on the PC. While I can mount a MemoryStick as a drive on my PC using MSImport, I cannot mount the device itself.

    Though, I did learn that PocketWord can view Word Documents in .doc format or .rtf format without going through a conversion of any kind. If true, this would be great for a user who receives documents via email over a wireless connection.

    Beyond this, I can think of nothing that a PPC does that a Palm cannot do, aside from the Multimedia aspects.

    Regardless, the whole point that Toby was trying to make had nothing to do with the power of the PPC devices. His point was simply, just because it is powerful does not mean it has to be complicated to use.
    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. JOHN 14:2
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