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    Sadly, I feel that Web-OS' future is pretty bleak. Not because it's a bad platform or anything. I'm just starting to doubt the ability of the market to fully support 4 or 5 competing smartphone formats.

    And what about the developers? It's not fair for users to expect them to churn out 4 or 5 different versions of same app when they can just focus on a couple (yes, iPhone and Android) and make money.

    Instead it just occurred to me what if Palm built an Android device with their spin on it; such as Sense by HTC...

    Android with Card view???!!! with 10000 apps???

    Too fantastic??? Maybe... I just want responsive calendar app, video recording, shazam.... I really thought (or hoped) I would have them by now.... I'm just sad..
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    what are you talking about?

    I am sick of these android threads.

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    As it has been said before Palm does not need to 'compete' with the other phone developers. There are people (such as myself) that are happy with the phone. If you think Android is so fantastic please switch devices and visit http://www.androidcentral.com/
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    [QUOTE=MaxLOL;2006042]what are you talking about?

    I am sick of these android threads.

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    As it has been said before Palm does not need to 'compete' with the other phone developers. There are people (such as myself) that are happy with the phone. If you think Android is so fantastic please switch devices and visit [url]

    i'm asking whether palm can survive long term. And I do believe there is a format war in smart phone market and whether palm can survive it with webos alone is questionable. Thus, what if Palm took a different approach?? I didn't say android was better or anything to that effect. It just has better market acceptance. And more people are developing for it.
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    the hero sucks... Palm cannot and will not make an android device. That's htcs job to put out half *** phones every month. Palm are developers more than manufacturers now. They have the fastest progress of any smartphone company, ever. Yes even droid and apple. I had the hero for a week and wanted to snap it over my leg. Droid multitasks but it is sucha pain in the ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by halmo20 View Post
    Sadly, I feel that Web-OS' future is pretty bleak. Not because it's a bad platform or anything. I'm just starting to doubt the ability of the market to fully support 4 or 5 competing smartphone formats.

    And what about the developers? It's not fair for users to expect them to churn out 4 or 5 different versions of same app when they can just focus on a couple (yes, iPhone and Android) and make money.

    Instead it just occurred to me what if Palm built an Android device with their spin on it; such as Sense by HTC...

    Android with Card view???!!! with 10000 apps???

    Too fantastic??? Maybe... I just want responsive calendar app, video recording, shazam.... I really thought (or hoped) I would have them by now.... I'm just sad..
    Doubt it. Makes too much sense for Palm to do it.
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    The problem I potentially see w/ Android is that with nobody owning the OS, nobody except Google has any incentive to make it the best OS out there. And since Google isn't selling Android, nobody will directly profit from it. I see Android evolving into more proprietary flavors over time, not necessarily compatible. This would fracture the app market.

    WebOS is what Palm needs to succeed if the company wants to continue as a viable entity. I think they are going to do whatever to make WebOS the best OS. This would go a long way to selling a lot of phones.
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    it makes too much sense for palm to abandon its long term plans and lose the millions of dollars its put into R&D as well as its own "brand" in order to adopt an os that is being watered down by every machine shop and "brand" that wants to save the energy of creating a unique os? Cardfan it makes NO SENSE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    Doubt it. Makes too much sense for Palm to do it.
    too much sense? you were the kid that always said "if you can't beat em, join em" weren't you? Lol welcome to earth and the corporate system of greedy ********. Everyone wants to be the best with no ones help. Webos is on the right track.

    everyone needs to stop bashing on an OS that's been out for like 4 months and is still considered revolutionary.
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    I think WebOS is fine and will make its way around... soon enough.

    However, I think Palm needs to let somebody else do hardware. =/
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    The problem I potentially see w/ Android is that with nobody owning the OS, nobody except Google has any incentive to make it the best OS out there. And since Google isn't selling Android, nobody will directly profit from it.
    HTC and Motorola are using their respective "skins" to differentiate their Android phones from the rest of the flock. Their incentive for doing so is to make their product more attractive. As a side effect, their efforts make Android a better OS. (This is particularly true with SenseUI.) And because using Android doesn't cost the manufacturer any licensing fees, the overall expense to the manufacturer can be less. Using Android, then, can definitely increase profit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doublebullout View Post
    As a side effect, their efforts make Android a better OS.
    Unfortunately, no. Android is released under the Apache License.
    With the Apache License, vendors are free to add proprietary extensions without submitting those back to the open source community.
    While you are likely to see more HTC phones with Sense UI, you are unlikely to see it anywhere else. Also, if you want to load your own build of Android, you will have to give up Sense UI, since HTC has not released the source code to it. They have only released the required Linux kernel source code since that falls under the GPL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrloserpunk View Post
    it makes too much sense for palm to abandon its long term plans and lose the millions of dollars its put into R&D as well as its own "brand" in order to adopt an os that is being watered down by every machine shop and "brand" that wants to save the energy of creating a unique os? Cardfan it makes NO SENSE.
    Palm is no stranger to losing money to R & D. Think Foleo. Heck, to be honest, Palm isn't a stranger to losing money period.

    But webOS wouldn't be a total waste. It just needs to be the UI on top of android. Multitasking and UI is the big draw anyways right?

    A Palm phone is its brand. Android is flexible enough to distinguish it. Palm still has its touchstone technology to draw on.

    The Palm brand as it stands now in the near future will be a half baked OS with a 50 dollar cheap gimped Pixi targeting the extreme low end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cardfan View Post
    The Palm brand as it stands now in the near future will be a half baked OS with a 50 dollar cheap gimped Pixi targeting the extreme low end.
    I am afraid I must agree here. I could be wrong, but my gut feeling....hmm....

    Anyhow, I still would like to see maybe a Pre2 or even 3 with Android with Palm's take on it, that would definitely be interesting....
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    I thought the same the other day. And to say that Palm would never put an OS that is not Palm's, eh.. what was the Treo with Windows Mobile?

    And why would someone say that Android won't be good OS: 'The problem I potentially see w/ Android is that with nobody owning the OS, nobody except Google has any incentive to make it the best OS out there.'

    Do you really think that Android OS won't grow, man, Google is a big machine and they will grow it.

    And since everyone is so concerned with how many apps you can put on a device, Google is a good place for developers to make money, next in line with the iPhone.

    Palm's OS is a little low down the totem pole.

    Follow the developers!

    And if you say the Hero was terrible, which was Android 1.5, you need to see the video on the Motorola Droid, I just watched that and I was in awe! The thing is fast!!!!

    And it wasn't a setup video. I think it was on Engadet. That was Android 2.0.

    So yes, it's being upgraded and improved and a lot faster that Palm!

    And I should also point out (since I'm going to get slammed), I'm a ****** of Palm and WebOS.

    But Palm was so crippled coming out of the gate.

    And if they don't get it together there only option as a company is to do an Android thing, with there hardware.

    But that is a last ditch effort!

    I will stick with Palm as long as I can before it becomes painfully obvious.

    And it's not by a long shot to give up on Palm just yet.

    I personally am willing to give Palm the length of my contract, which is like most 2 years.

    So after two years if I don't see some of the stuff we should have (video recording as an example or pick the calendar), even if it happens to get put on a new model, I will stay with Palm.

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