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    iPhone 3.0 vs. Palm: which one would you want to get?

    iPhone or Palm Pre?
    Sprint, Palm Pre’s exclusive carrier announced that Palm Pre would be launched on June 6. Then this summer that’s the question many would-be-smart phone purchasers just might ask themselves. Both have their pros and cons. The iPhone has a huge profile and market presence, but the Pre has the old-school Palm faithful who have been waiting a long time for their Next Big Thing. The iPhone has massive channels and even Sprint admits they won’t be advertising the Palm Pre much due to low initial supply. But those most likely to want the Palm Pre already know it’s coming, where to get, and may well be reading this while already standing in line.
    But what about the consumer on the edge? The consumer who has an older iPhone or Palm, or the one who’s about to move up from a feature phone for the first time. What about the dreaded “undecided”? This article is for them. Now let’s get it on.

    Display

    IPhone: beautiful, large (3.5 inch diagonal), high-resolution (480x320 screen) multi-touch display.
    Palm Pre: Beautiful, large (3.1 inch diagonal), high-resolution (480x320 screen). The screen is not as large as the iPhone (0.4 inch smaller) but this is balanced against other hardware features such as the removable battery and sliding keyboard further below.
    Advantage: Tie

    Keyboard
    Palm Pre has a physical, hardware-based QWERTY keyboard while the iPhone has a virtual, software-based keyboard that can be QWERTY (or anything else).
    For those who need to feel those keys, the Palm Pre is the obvious choice. However, the Pre’s keyboard is reportedly somewhere between a Treo Pro and a Palm Centro: softer, more gummy keys with a narrow width overall. It might not be to everyone’s liking. That said, at least the Pre has one, and it’s a slider to boot, which means if you don’t need it, you can just tuck it away back under the screen where it came from.
    The iPhone, can draw any kind of keyboard it wants. So if you need to type occasionally (or often) in Greek, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, or most any language, you can easily switch between those exact keyboards. You can also automatically be presented with web-optimized, or video, audio — any task at all — specific keyboards.
    The iPhone is an excellent touch screen phone, no doubt. But for heavy texters and e-mail addicts, the lack of a physical keyboard can be annoying. Now Palm Pre combined a touch screen and keyboard, pleasing both touch screen and keyboard fans. So Palm Pre wins.
    Advantage: Palm Pre

    Network
    In the US — which is the only country with initial availability — Sprint has exclusive rights to the Palm Pre, much as AT&T has a lock on the iPhone. When you choose mobile phone, also make a choice between the carriers. There are two factors to consider:
    1. AT&T is a GSM network, which means you can theoretically pop out your SIM card and put it in another mobile phone. It is great in emergencies, and if you travel and don’t want to deal with roaming charges. Sprint is CDMA, so any phone switches involves a call to your carrier at the very least.
    2. Sprint doesn’t currently allow simultaneous voice and data. This means if you’re talking on the Palm Pre, you can’t use the web or email, and vice versa. If you’re using an iPhone on AT&T’s EDGE service, you’ll have the same problem, but if you’re on 3G, there are no worries at all. For the Palm Pre, you’d have to switch to Wi-Fi to do that.
    Again, for me, using voice and data at the same time has become a must. Looking up information while out and about on a call is a frequent occurrence. If you’re not accustomed to it, you may not miss it, but once you are, it’s hard to go back.
    Advantage: iPhone

    Applications
    Installing new applications on the iPhone is a complete joy. It’s ultra simple and quick – an absolutely superb experience than virtually nobody has matched today. With 15,000+ apps now available there is something here for everybody and although there is a lot of rubbish there are also many superb applications.
    Palm has already confirmed that it will create a full App Catalog – one that will presumably have the same functionality and ease-of-use as Apple’s App Store. Though maybe there will not (initially at least) be as many apps available for the iPhone as for the Palm Pre.
    Advantage: Tie

    Multimedia
    For Palm Pre, it offers a 3-megapixel camera. Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to snap any photos, but early reports say that the quality is pretty good. Disappointingly, the camera won't have video recording capabilities at this time, but those could be added in the future. In terms of music and movie, it is reported that the music sounds very beautiful, also the movie looks perfect with the 320*480 pixels screen. However Palm Pre can only play MPEG-4, H.263, H.264 videos and MP3, AAC, AAC+, AMR, QCELP, WAV audio files. What if you have large music or video collections you want to carry around with you on your mobile? I have got third part software to do this admire job: use nidesoft.com/dvd-to-palm-converter.html
    Nidesoft DVD to Palm Converter
    to convert DVD collections into Palm Pre and
    nidesoft.com/video-converter.html
    Nidesoft Video Converter
    to convert video or music collections into Palm Pre.
    As far as iPhone, there’s no doubt that iPhone is wonderful music mobile phone. Listening to music, viewing photos and watching movies/videos is just “something else” on the iPhone. IPhone can play MPEG-4 videos with resolution of 640 *480, up to 160 Kbps. Also it supports audio formats including AAC (16 to 320 kbps), MP3 (16 to 320 kbps), and WAV. With its beautiful 3.5-inch wide screen display and Multi-Touch controls, iPhone is an amazing iPod. Watch movies and TV shows in wide screen, iPhone brings you a video experience unlike any other portable device.

    Advantage: Tie

    Conclusion
    So there you have it. Two companies that both pride themselves on their high-skill products. One who’s Newton spawned an industry that the other is Pilot defined and dominated, went on to converge with the Treo only to fall behind and get eclipsed by the iPhone, and is now poised to come back with the Pre. Apple is going on to the third version of their smart phone line while Palm is introducing the first version of their third act.
    If it seems like the only real deciding factors are where you live and work, what you want to do, and how you prefer to do it, well — yeah. That’s it.
    Bottom line, the competition between iPhone and Pre is good for Apple and Palm — it keeps them on their toes and on top of their games — and it’s better for us. We’re lucky to live in a time and place where we have such increasingly awesome mobile options to choose between.
    Come this summer, we’ll have a few more choices as well. Which one will be yours?
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    I'll get the Palm Pre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    I'll get the Palm Pre.
    2nd this!
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    iphone with webos would be an excellent hack!
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    I have never owned a Palm product, but I am going with the Palm Pre phone for sure!
    "Never regret yesterday. Life is in you today, and you make your tomorrow." —L. Ron Hubbard
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    I'd go for the iPhone (my family just recently switched to AT&T). The Pre looks pretty cool though. Multitasking looks smooth. Just get some apps in there and then your set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gavrai View Post
    iphone with webos would be an excellent hack!
    Up until you tried to write a txt message.
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    I'd have to say that I'm sticking to the Pre. Multitasking, Synergy, and an unobtrusive notification system (huge for me!) win me over to the Pre - no competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fried Chicken View Post
    Up until you tried to write a txt message.
    ROFL, yep no keyboard!
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    Get the Pre for a pda/smartphone, and if you want a portable videogame/ifart machine get the ipod touch.
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    The slide-out keyboard has more advantages than just typing.

    - It doesn't take up half the screen when you are using it
    - Allows searching and shortcuts by simply sliding out and typing. In the iPhone you would having to navigate to a particular screen or press a button on the screen.

    Don't forget, the Palm Pre screen is smaller than the iPhone. Having a virtual keyboard on the Palm Pre wouldn't be the same experience as the virtual keyboard on the larger iPhone screen..
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    Pre without a doubt.
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    How the heck can applications be considered a tie? Apple has nearly a years head start with every major developer writing every imaginable type of software for the iPhone. Plus there thousands of apps for the iPhone NOW. The Pre has about 25 as I write this.

    Whatever may or may not happen with the Pre apps, you can't call it a tie because Pre "should" have a decent apps store in the future. If you are going to compare devices, you must compare current hardware, features and software, 3rd party and all, to what you have in your hand today. Not what MAY come to pass. Let's put the iPhone 3GS in the mix if you are going to do a comparison.

    Very biased and skewed comparison.
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    of course iphone 3g
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    Display, Apps & Multimedia are no where near ties. iPhone hands down.

    Keyboard and Network should have been tied. The keyboard is very small on the Pre and the iPhone has all touch. IMO, I think all touch (on iPhone, not other touchscreens) is better. I type faster than any QWERTY keyboard I've ever used. Network, depends where you are. If you're in a place with both, then I would say AT&T. For me, it's AT&T.
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    Neither. Right now neither one meets MY needs as well as my Treo. I rely on the powerful calendar functions of Datebk6, and neither the Pre nor the iPhone comes close. I also pay significantly less money under my current plan than I would for either the Pre or the iPhone.
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    I have a first gen iphone and really thinking this question when the pre came out. I like the WebOS and has a lot of potential. honestly I am not impressed with the hardware posts I am reading and I dont want to deal with those and as time goes and more apps available... the iphone is harder to get away from because of the apps coming from major sw companies.

    i am eligible for the upgrade so i am thinking 3gs... yes it is from an iphone owner... but do think the pre was not a home run out of the box just like the storm when i thought about that one. yes the iphone was not either and unfair that the pre is against a phone that has a few years to polish itself... but it is what it is and they are up against a phone that is much improved and refined.

    i'm thinking if i can hold out until the end of year... then maybe the pixie or start seeing future WebOS phones being mentioned and gives Palm a chance to get some bugs fixed and hope their app store gains traction. But then you have Storm 2 and I have always like the Bold.

    Geez... choices choices choices.
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    Forgive me if this has been brought up in another thread, there are so many it is hard to search everything.

    Has there been any discussion on whether or not people think Sprint/Palm will drop the price of the Pre to respond to the $99 8GB iPhone 3G/$199 16GB iPhone 3GS? I'm curious as to whether or not people are waiting to see if the price drops in respond to Apple/AT&T's move before getting the Pre. I am currently a Sprint customer with a Treo 650 and am hesitant to purchase the Pre for a few reasons, in no particular order:

    1. Price, will it drop? 8GB iPhone 3G, $99, 16GB iPhone 3GS, $199, 8GB Palm Pre, $199
    -I know this does not factor in AT&T's outrageous plans and Sprint's more than reasonable plans.
    2. No tethering - you can do it with other Sprint phones, why not the Pre
    3. Memory only 8GB - memory is so cheap, I know, we purchase it in bulk where I work, why not make a 16GB, or 32GB version
    4. I checked the phone out at the Sprint store and it felt very cheap

    I'm very disapointed because I really wanted to love this phone.

    If this post is in the wrong place, please point me in the right direction.

    Thanks.
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    If iPhone could be on Sprint.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDT1345 View Post
    Forgive me if this has been brought up in another thread, there are so many it is hard to search everything.

    Has there been any discussion on whether or not people think Sprint/Palm will drop the price of the Pre to respond to the $99 8GB iPhone 3G/$199 16GB iPhone 3GS? I'm curious as to whether or not people are waiting to see if the price drops in respond to Apple/AT&T's move before getting the Pre. I am currently a Sprint customer with a Treo 650 and am hesitant to purchase the Pre for a few reasons, in no particular order:

    1. Price, will it drop? 8GB iPhone 3G, $99, 16GB iPhone 3GS, $199, 8GB Palm Pre, $199
    -I know this does not factor in AT&T's outrageous plans and Sprint's more than reasonable plans.
    2. No tethering - you can do it with other Sprint phones, why not the Pre
    3. Memory only 8GB - memory is so cheap, I know, we purchase it in bulk where I work, why not make a 16GB, or 32GB version
    4. I checked the phone out at the Sprint store and it felt very cheap

    I'm very disapointed because I really wanted to love this phone.

    If this post is in the wrong place, please point me in the right direction.

    Thanks.
    There is an article in which someone dissected the Pre and priced all the components. The hardware itself cost $170. With a selling price of $199, Sprint is highly subsidizing the cost of the Pre. Palm has to make a profit for all its work, R & D on the software, etc. Therefore, Sprint isn't going to reduce the cost for quite a while.
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