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  1.    #1  
    1. Collapsable graffiti area
    2. Handwriting recognition (a la PocketPC)
    3. Built-in Wi-Fi (802.11b) and ricochet network (if it is resurrected) connectivity.
    4. 16-bit color display
    5. Spring loaded stylus holder (a la iPaq)
    6. standard springboard adaptors for SM, SD, Sony Memory Stick, etc. storage cards (included in box).
    7. A screen that won't scratch! (My old WinCe device had one of those no matter how hard I pressed on the screen with the stylus not one scratch. Course the WinCe device broke and sucked)
    8. A better speaker or at least a headphone jack to connect computer speakers or headphones.
    9. Flashable ROM
    10. A converter so that you can turn your 1 springboard slot into 2.
    11. Integrated 1GB IBM microdrive.
    Last edited by Techie2000; 08/20/2001 at 07:03 PM.
  2. #2  
    Originally posted by Techie2000
    2. Handwriting recognition (a la PocketPC)
    i've never understood why people want this feature. grafitti takes 15 minutes to learn and then you hardly have to think about it ever again.

    hell, i have problems reading my own handwriting (on paper) and can't imagine the software that would be required to decipher it.

    am i alone when i say i PREFER grafitti over other solutions?

    mc
  3. #3  
    Originally posted by mensachicken

    am i alone when i say i PREFER grafitti over other solutions?

    mc
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  4.    #4  
    I know grafitti but the thing is that when I write I have to conciously figure out on what to do graffitti or standard or cursive then I have to try not to screw up what I write.
  5. #5  
    Originally posted by Techie2000
    I know grafitti but the thing is that when I write I have to conciously figure out on what to do graffitti or standard or cursive then I have to try not to screw up what I write.
    Oh please, it's not *that* hard. When you're using your Palm/Visor use Graffiti. Otherwise use print or cursive depending on the situation.

    Or hell, write in Graffiti all the time... Other Palm OS users will understand you.
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  6.    #6  
    Originally posted by Black_Dragon

    Oh please, it's not *that* hard. When you're using your Palm/Visor use Graffiti. Otherwise use print or cursive depending on the situation.

    Or hell, write in Graffiti all the time... Other Palm OS users will understand you.
    :-!
  7. #7  
    Originally posted by Techie2000
    long list of features
    Interesting (if large) list, but I'd rather knock it down to one or two things that are most important to me -- and, more importantly, would get me to buy a new Visor.

    For me, the deciding factor is:

    1. Hi-Res screen (at least 320x320)(done with good backwords-compatibility for standard Palm apps.) I think Sony did it right.

    Optional but nice for me:

    a. 16-bit color display
    b. Flashable ROM
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    Originally posted by Techie2000
    6. standard springboard adaptors for SM, SD, Sony Memory Stick, etc. storage cards (included in box).
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    How about instead of adaptors, a separate slot for additional memory (SD, CF, take your pick) in addition to the SpringBoard? You could use your GPS or Eyemodule2 and have access to your maps or store your pictures without having to swap modules. Shouldn't this be possible?
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    Originally posted by Techie2000
    1. Collapsable graffiti area
    2. Handwriting recognition (a la PocketPC)
    3. Built-in Wi-Fi (802.11b) and ricochet network (if it is resurrected) connectivity.
    4. 16-bit color display
    5. Spring loaded stylus holder (a la iPaq)
    6. standard springboard adaptors for SM, SD, Sony Memory Stick, etc. storage cards (included in box).
    7. A screen that won't scratch! (My old WinCe device had one of those no matter how hard I pressed on the screen with the stylus not one scratch. Course the WinCe device broke and sucked)
    8. A better speaker or at least a headphone jack to connect computer speakers or headphones.
    9. Flashable ROM
    10. A converter so that you can turn your 1 springboard slot into 2.
    11. Integrated 1GB IBM microdrive.
    I definitely agree with the collapsable graffiti area, the hi-res color display, headphone jacks, and flashable ROM. The other stuff I can live without. In fact, I am debating whether or not I really NEED color in a PDA or just think I do.

    In addition, I would love to see a built-in voice recorder that saves to WAV files ala the Handera. I find myself wishing my VDx had that feature actually more often than I wish it had a color screen. Having a landscape setting for the screen, also ala the Handera, would be great because I do a lot of spreadsheet work. And I wish somebody would figure out how to make a PDA do mathematical number-crunching faster without having to install hacks, which I have never had any luck with.

    I also like the idea posted here of a CF/MMC/SD slot in addition to the springboard slot. And it would be way cool if I could still use my VDx stowaway with it. (I don't think there's anything wrong with the VDx form factor... although the plastic is a little cheap.)
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    i've never understood why people want this feature. grafitti takes 15 minutes to learn and then you hardly have to think about it ever again.
    It's a basic premise of good interface design. It's always better have the product adapt to the person than to have to force the person to adapt to the product.

    Why should I have to spend 15 minutes to learn its language? Why doesn't it understand mine?

    Besides, Grafitti is still a pain in the ***. There are a few letters that it always messes up and I can never remember the obscure punctuation marks, etc...

    hell, i have problems reading my own handwriting (on paper) and can't imagine the software that would be required to decipher it.
    Apple figured out handwriting recognition 8 years ago. I can't imagine what has taken palm so long.
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  11. #11  
    Originally posted by homer
    Apple figured out handwriting recognition 8 years ago.
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    Egg freckles??
    OK, they figured it out about 8 years ago, but it took another year or so to perfect it.

    Still, that's 6 years ahead of Palm!
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  13. #13  
    Originally posted by homer
    It's a basic premise of good interface design. It's always better have the product adapt to the person than to have to force the person to adapt to the product.

    No offense intended, but where does that idea come from?
    You had to learn to type, correct? All "standard" keyboards have the same layout (developed to slow typists down, oddly enough, so early typewriters wouldn't break) and anyone who knows that layout can efffectively use that format. Same thing with Graffiti. same with any standardized system.

    Why should I have to spend 15 minutes to learn its language? Why doesn't it understand mine?

    If you're making a product you want it to be useful to as many users as possible, whether it's a handheld computer or a tube of toothpaste. It's good business sense to standardize the interface; once learned it can be used it anywhere. If you have to teach every new device, that's time wasted.
    Example: I can use Microsoft Word on any computer I encounter that has it. I don't need to change or reconfigure it to make it work, though I might to make it mesh with my work habits.
    Also, making the device able to adapt to every new user means it has to become more complex and hence more likely to fail.

    Humans are hugely adaptable. We have intuition and are able to change to a situation. Computers, sadly, are not; they have to be taught everything and if not told how to handle a problem, fail.
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  14.    #14  
    Many people use the DVORAK keyboard layout to speed up typing. Course you have to relearn it but it is a faster type. I would but:
    1. I don't feel like rearranging the keys on my keyboard
    2. I don't feel like buying a new keyboard
    3. I don't feel like learning a new layout (yet...)
  15. #15  
    Originally posted by homer
    OK, they figured it out about 8 years ago, but it took another year or so to perfect it.
    HWR will never be perfect. The variations between different people are simply too diverse. Not everyone writes exactly as they were taught in grade school. Much like voice recognition, even a very good system would probably require more time and effort (and ultimately expense) to train the machine to recognize the human rather than vice versa.
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  16. #16  
    Originally posted by Toby
    HWR will never be perfect. The variations between different people are simply too diverse. Not everyone writes exactly as they were taught in grade school. Much like voice recognition, even a very good system would probably require more time and effort (and ultimately expense) to train the machine to recognize the human rather than vice versa.
    Besides, can you imagine the veritable cacophony of noise voice-recognition would cause in the average office? Oy! And don't forget Apple here too. In the hey-day of the Quadras they shipped with voice recognition software. A typical exchange went like this.

    Me: "Computer: Close all windows"
    Quadra: "The time is 4:15 PM"
    M: "Computer: Close all windows"
    Q: "Are you sure you want to shut down?"
    M: "Computer: What is the time"
    Q: All windows close.

    Voice recgonition will only be usefull once the computer can:
    1. Understand full sentance english including implied subjects, noun-pronoun & Proper noun relationships (ie: "Mark and I went to the store. He bought some candy." Who is he? Computers don't know but we understand) idioms and figures of speech.
    2. Are able to understand vauge commands. Such as saying "Make it taller" without saying how much taller and without prompting you for a number.
    3. Generally behave just like the computers in Star Trek: TNG and above.

    Besides, lets not forget those, er, more private times when you want to use a computer?
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  17. #17  
    Features from my visor deluxe it should keep:

    Ability to run palm Palm OS Apps
    Same connector for hot sync / keyboard
    USB hot sync
    Built in SB slot


    Features from my mako it should have:
    -Included office suite with spell checking (doc to go 4.0 would be perfect, if it had a spell checker)
    -Speed Speed Speed
    -A real file system (open apps by clicking files, organizing files into folders)
    -Better looking text and graphics.
    -Better contrast.
    -Grafitti area can be used as screen space (I love seeing lots of columns on spreadsheets)
    -LOUD alarms
    -built in battery


    Others:
    -Color
    -Play music and audible files, plus include enough space to store them (my $100 rio had 64mb included with it, not too much to ask)
    -If you charge over $600 it had better play DVD's, and not try to PRETEND to play video like PPC
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