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    ONE MILLION WOW!

    I had to drop a post here. After the 3G release I stopped back in here to see if Surur was still leading the Jihad against the iPHONE.

    Sure enough he is!

    I wonder if he owns a Beta Tape deck and fought for that to over VHS?

    Keep jousting at that windmill Surur!

    Let the bashing begin!
    LLARSON
    Treo 600, 650,700P, 755P and iPHONE
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    Actually, I think Surur has been quite restrained this week :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmaier View Post
    Actually, I think Surur has been quite restrained this week :-)
    Oh I have been! This phone has much more problems than the 2G version.

    Surur
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    Apparently worse battery life. Installing software can lead to crashiness (following the install) until you turn the device off and on once. Syncing the first time after buying software on the phone (not on itunes) can be very slow.

    Other problems?

    (btw: the last two problems occur on 2G devices as well, if they run the new software)
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    Is this the iPhone problem thread? I have found the low profile of the iPhone (after the forum split) on this site to be refreshing.

    Surur
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    it's no fun being on the other forum; it's like a pack of archies over there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmaier View Post
    it's like a pack of archies over there.
    I miss archie

    Surur
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    Then definitely go over there. There's one guy who is almost that bad.
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    Is there a meathead over there too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by llarson View Post
    ONE MILLION WOW!!
    I'm sure if Apple says it has sold a million that's true, but that number very probably includes devices sold to carriers but not (yet) in users' hands. When we had this debate before I think we concluded that Apple counts an iPhone as sold when 1) it's sold to the end user in an Apple store or 2) sold to a carrier. If that's the case, they probably sold half a million plus before anyone actually had one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmaier View Post
    Apparently worse battery life. Installing software can lead to crashiness (following the install) until you turn the device off and on once. Syncing the first time after buying software on the phone (not on itunes) can be very slow.

    Other problems?
    Personally? The only real problem has been O2 taking two days to activate the thing. Apart from that, it's all good, although the jury is still out on battery life.
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    Seems Wall Street is beginning to think that the iPhone 3G's impact will be pretty significant....with an almost 10% drop in RIM's expected earnings. Worse, RIM's profit expectations were 30% higher pre-iPhone 3G

    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/RIM-Blac...news-2003.html

    "The days of no competition are over," said Needham & Co analyst Charlie Wolf. The analyst cut RIM’s stock rating from hold to underperform, lowering the company’s 2008 earnings estimate to $3.70 a share, down from previous $4.05 estimate. Wolf also cut RIM’s 2009 profit estimate from $6.25 down to $4.80. The analyst believes that RIM’s strength is now going to be tested as its enterprise market share "is bound to come under siege because of the iPhone."

    Apple is already the world’s third smartphone maker and the second largest in the U.S. IDC estimates that RIM held 44.5% (Gartner: 42%) of the U.S. smartphone market share in the first quarter, while Apple came in second with 19.2% (Gartner: 20%). "

    Dang ..... 20% of the market in one year.....who woulda thought ?

    I still prefer my Palm OS Treo but then again, after 3 years of usage, I have terminated web / e-mail access. I was using it less and less as time wore on. The allure of "instant access anywhere" has worn off.

    I find productivity and thumb typing to be mutually exclusive. And, having played with my kids' iPhones, while Safari / iPhone offers the only web experience on a hand held that I find tolerable it don't hold a candle to a 1920 x 1200 screen and a full size laptop KB.

    If I was a "city dweller" taking public transportation and walking a lot, handheld connectivity might hold more attraction. But as a traveling surburbanite walking or driving, the Treo's phone keeps me in touch in my own regional tri-state area or while outta town. Other than vacation time, when I don't want anyone to have access to me, I am never more than 60 - 90 minutes away from a laptop, most days no more than 30.
    Last edited by JackNaylorPE; 07/19/2008 at 10:03 AM.
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    Those numbers are pretty misleading, but I wont waste my time debating with people who have already made up their mind re usefulness of smartphones.

    Surur
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    RIM's supposed loss of market share may be because the iPhone is now a smartphone with fun features, while the BB is all business mainly. Of course if people can have fun on their phone as well as do business, they MAY choose the iPhone over RIM.

    HOWEVER, there are 3 new models of BB coming. And BB can still do things the iPhone cannot. I want to see what happens after the 3G Bold is released.
    Even though it isn't as "cool" as the iPhone, I can see competition against the iPhone just due to the fact that BB often has full functionality WITHOUT extra apps. It may need a new calender program, but other than that, there's really no need for tons of apps unless you really must have some.

    I used the BB for a while and it was the absolute best phone I ever used for text and email. Sony Ericsson (yes dumbphones, believe or not) are 2nd. The iPhone is still lacking in some basic texting and email functions. No templates, no drafts save, no copy and paste.
    HP has officially ruined it's own platform and kicked webOS loyalists and early TouchPad adopters to the curb. You think after you drop it like a hot potato and mention it made no money and is costing you money, anyone else wants it??? Way to go HP!!

    And some people are fools to keep believing their hype. HP has shown they will throw webOS under the bus and people are still having faith in them??? News flash: if it's own company won't stand behind it, it's finished!
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    Quote Originally Posted by llarson View Post
    I wonder if he owns a Beta Tape deck and fought for that to over VHS?
    Actually Beta was superior to VHS. VHS simply won out by giving deals to the porn industry.

    The 3G is GREAT for the iPhone. Should have never been released without it. Contracts are still too expensive, many people still do not like the virtual keyboard, and still no stereo BT.
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    I'm still not ready for one but I am impressed ... so are a lot of others apparently.

    http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Apple-iP...news-2217.html

    "According to TechCrunch, Apple is requesting 800,000 iPhone 3G units per week from Foxconn, which would translate to at least 3.2 million phones per month and close to 40 million devices per year.....Apple is obviously optimistic about its increased market reach to more than 70 countries, but a monthly volume of more than 3 million smartphones (we assume that Apple can actually sell all of these units) could be considered as impressive even by Apple standards. A volume of more than 12 to 13 million smartphones per quarter would make Apple the world’s second largest smartphone manufacturer, just behind Nokia, which sold 14.6 million units in the first quarter of this year and well ahead of Research in Motion, which sold 4.3 million Blackberry phones in Q1, according to market research firm Gartner."

    I'll agree that Beta was far superior but I don't think porn had much to do with it's success......I think it was ignorance. Come X-Mas shopping time, hordes of peeps were in stores looking for something to buy grandma and the $179 VHS was more attractive than the $199 BetaMax simply because no one but the audio / video geeks ever thought to consider whether there was a difference.

    I was in Oklahoma at the end of July and went with my son to the Apple Store as he had an issue with a speaker on his original iPhone. They replaced it free of charge but the thing I noticed is that there were 50 people lined up to buy one. I expect his back in New York .... but not in Oklahoma .... and not a month after it was released.

    I think the things that makes it so universally attractive are:

    1. It has an attractive design.
    2. It's screen visually stunning
    3. It just works ... and it works intuitively.

    Yeah I can manage sex in the front seat of a MiniCooper, but most of the time I'd be more inclined to drive to a place with a big ole double bed. That's how I feel about e-mail, document editing and web access on my Treo. Ya can do it, but it's a hell of alot better in something bigger.

    Before anyone starts with the what if you have to drive cross country and must do it in 30 hours thing, the fact is I don't really do that all that often. many of the things I do on the Treo I often forget how to do because I haven't used that feature in a while. After 10 minutes with my son's iPhone I pretty much could use most of the features. OTOH, I read my first Treo manual cover to cover, twice, before I could routinely navigate and do the things I wanted to do. Peeps are buying iPhone cause after spending 5 minutes in the store, they want one ..... after 5 minutes with a Treo, a significant population feels a bit daunted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JackNaylorPE View Post
    Before anyone starts with the what if you have to drive cross country and must do it in 30 hours thing, the fact is I don't really do that all that often. many of the things I do on the Treo I often forget how to do because I haven't used that feature in a while. After 10 minutes with my son's iPhone I pretty much could use most of the features. OTOH, I read my first Treo manual cover to cover, twice, before I could routinely navigate and do the things I wanted to do. Peeps are buying iPhone cause after spending 5 minutes in the store, they want one ..... after 5 minutes with a Treo, a significant population feels a bit daunted.
    I think this has a lot to do with the fact that the Treo can do a lot more than a TungstenX err.. iPhone.
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    I love the logic that says if something sells the most it must be the best. If that's the case, McDonalds makes the best burgers, Ford the best pickup, Chevy the best car, etc.

    Excuse me for having criteria different than the masses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    I love the logic that says if something sells the most it must be the best. If that's the case, McDonalds makes the best burgers, Ford the best pickup, Chevy the best car, etc.

    Excuse me for having criteria different than the masses.
    Thank you.

    I would argue the opposite - that if something is the most popular, it's been too dumbed down to be of use to power users - guys who spend time on Treocentral, for example.

    There are several examples where "popular" = "wrong".
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    Isn't this about survival of the fittest? The more popular, the more revenue the telco and apple would get. They could keep mining those users that buy them.
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