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  1. #81  
    What kind of add-on software do you guys have on your makos? Games, reference apps, PDA apps, productivity apps, etc. I'm having trouble finding some good and "essential" apps for my mako. Any of you know good places to find freeware software? Other than frevo.com...? Thanks in advance...
    nelson.hsieh
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  2.    #82  
    Extras:

    I've got the following loaded up on my Mako:

    ChaDis - battery monitor, a must-have.

    PDF viewer

    nConvert, an "on board" file converter. I got the trial, haven't decided if it's a keeper yet.

    E-Book reader, which works with pdb files. This is really cool - let's me read all the short stories and novellas I downloaded from Fictionwise for my Prism.

    TForce - a tank battle game. Haven't played with it much.

    piBeam - a program that enables me to beam and receive files from other IR - capable devices. For example, I've used it to beam ebooks over from my Prism.

    DeVender - a Defender-like game. OK

    Asteroids - enough said. Implementation leaves a bit to be desired.

    Sketch - nice drawing program.

    Fax - very good fax program.

    Chess - self-explanatory.
  3. #83  
    Thanks, AzNCoMpUtAnErD, that's just what I needed.

    VTL, where did you get piBeam? I did a little searching, but haven't found it.

    And to add a few apps I've found:

    nSwitcher - Adds a row of icons for open apps; similar to the task bar in Windows.

    Solun - Star charts (pretty cool, but not very useful for actual stargazing without a backlight

    Clock5 - Highly configurable pop-up clock with voice, chimes, calendar, world clocks, lockable screen saver, etc.

    RevoSwap - Use ctrl-space to toggle through open apps; similar to ctrl-tab in Windows.

    Scibble2000 - Grafitti for the Psion. I haven't really tried it yet.
  4.    #84  
  5. #85  
    I hate to admit it, but I broke down and ordered a $99.00 Mako from TigerDirect. It arrived yesterday and I used it a little today. It's not a bad little unit, although I must say I'm too used to the PalmOS at the moment... navigating the EPOC OS isn't as intuitive as it should be. . The unit isn't as rugged as I thought it would be... the screen, when open, seems a bit flimsy. And I hate the stylus! Keep in mind that I've been using a Visor for over a year and a half... the Mako's going to take some getting used to. The biggest thing I'm finding hard to adjust to is the screen layout. The short, wide format of the Mako is a far cry from the square Visor screen (but the resolution is very nice).

    I can see where this device can supplement a Visor, but I don't see it replacing it. In reality, my wife or daughter are going to end up with it as a starter PDA (after dad plays with it a bit, of course ). I think it has an advantage for the pure newbie over a Visor.

    Now it's time to go off in search of some cool software...
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  6. #86  
    Originally posted by MarkEagle
    I hate to admit it, but I broke down and ordered a $99.00 Mako from TigerDirect. It arrived yesterday and I used it a little today. It's not a bad little unit, although I must say I'm too used to the PalmOS at the moment... navigating the EPOC OS isn't as intuitive as it should be. . The unit isn't as rugged as I thought it would be... the screen, when open, seems a bit flimsy. And I hate the stylus! Keep in mind that I've been using a Visor for over a year and a half... the Mako's going to take some getting used to. The biggest thing I'm finding hard to adjust to is the screen layout. The short, wide format of the Mako is a far cry from the square Visor screen (but the resolution is very nice).

    I can see where this device can supplement a Visor, but I don't see it replacing it. In reality, my wife or daughter are going to end up with it as a starter PDA (after dad plays with it a bit, of course ). I think it has an advantage for the pure newbie over a Visor.

    Now it's time to go off in search of some cool software...
    Mark I don't agree with you (no this will not become a mod-war, so don't get your hopes up )
    Ever since I got my Mako, I havent touched my Vdx...
    Maybe it is the 'new gadget factor' but so far I like the Mako a lot.

    The screen on my unit feels better than the one on my Visor.
    The fact it is bigger is a big plus for me (I see it as 2 (actualy 1.5) visor screens next to each other.

    The Unit could be a bit sturdier, but closed I'm not afraid to put it in my pocket, while with the visor I would be (and the clip thing is too annoying) My Vdx is in the E&B casing with beltclip. This works pretty good but has a high geek factor and does not feel as comfy as the Mako in your pocket.

    In the beginning I was a bit lost in EPOC too, but when I started using the Vdx I had to find out where everything was too...

    The biggest drawback is that unlike PalmOS EPOC has a very small developper community, so very limited amount of (free) software.

    Also Epoc does not seem to be as efficient with its memory as PalmOS, my 16Mb is allready pretty full.

    I hate the stylus too, its too thin, so on my desk I have my multi 4way action stylus/pen(s)/pencil and only use the mako stylus on the road..
    But I love the fact that it has a keyboard build in, this is the thing I like most. I hardly write anything with pen and paper anymore so grafiti was allways a bit slow for me (I use(d) the FITALY stamp on my Vdx)

    Maybe if HS makes a affordable super duper new Visor (heck nobody can beat the $99 pricemark) I may be convinced. For now I'm afraid I'm a Mako convert...
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  7. #87  
    Sounds like the Mako is getting quite a cult following. How is the screen contrast compared to the Vdx?
    That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you.
  8. #88  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    this will not become a mod-war, so don't get your hopes up
    Darn... you didn't take the bait!


    The biggest drawback is that unlike PalmOS EPOC has a very small developper community, so very limited amount of (free) software.
    Perhaps that's why these things are selling so cheap? I've noticed the severe lack of decent apps, though I've only checked out a couple of sites so far. I think the developer community is one of the main reasons that the PalmOS is so strong.


    For now I'm afraid I'm a Mako convert...
    Hmmm... maybe we should revoke your moderator status?!?!? Or change your name to MakoTraitor?!?!?
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  9. #89  
    Originally posted by MarkEagle
    I must say I'm too used to the PalmOS at the moment... navigating the EPOC OS isn't as intuitive as it should be. .
    I felt the same way for about a week, but I must say that accessing specific information is far easier/faster than the visor, due to the superior file system on the Mako. It just takes a little getting used to. Keep in mind that I use the Mako as a reference tool more than anything else, so being able to organize all files into folders (regardless of their related application) makes it a clear winner.

    Originally posted by MarkEagle
    The unit isn't as rugged as I thought it would be... the screen, when open, seems a bit flimsy. And I hate the stylus! Keep in mind that I've been using a Visor for over a year and a half... the Mako's going to take some getting used to. The biggest thing I'm finding hard to adjust to is the screen layout. The short, wide format of the Mako is a far cry from the square Visor screen (but the resolution is very nice).
    I have found the screen to be as solid as the visor's screen. When you are sitting at a table or desk, opposed to standing, the mako is really great because the screen stands at a comfortable viewing angle. I hate the stylus too, it is even worse than the stock VDX stylus, but it is not needed too often. The mako text input does not require a stylus, and navigating files/apps is easy with the arrow keys.

    Originally posted by MarkEagle
    I can see where this device can supplement a Visor, but I don't see it replacing it. In reality, my wife or daughter are going to end up with it as a starter PDA (after dad plays with it a bit, of course ). I think it has an advantage for the pure newbie over a Visor.
    I was sure that I would be handing the Mako to my girlfriend and keeping my visor, but the opposite ended up being true. Be careful Mark, you could be drawn to the darkside like me if you use it too much. this damn thing has even replaced my alarm clock, so dont even think about listening to the "high phone" alarm unless you want to risk being a convert. It will be all over once you memorize a few KB shortcuts.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  10. #90  
    Originally posted by slotmachine
    Sounds like the Mako is getting quite a cult following. How is the screen contrast compared to the Vdx?
    Contrast is similar, but more viewable in dim light (good thing considering there is no backlight). The text resolution, as mark stated, is far superior. Graphics and images are actually useful on the Mako (unlike the visor) but not great.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  11. #91  
    Originally posted by MarkEagle

    Hmmm... maybe we should revoke your moderator status?!?!? Or change your name to MakoTraitor?!?!?
    Wait 'till he figures out he can compose a word document with charts, sheets, doodles, and clip art, then print or fax it with ir through a printer or modem; hes done for Toolkit
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  12. #92  
    Thanks for the references to software VTL and valodya. They're great.

    I've found the Mako is a great unit, but it could never replace, at least for me, a PalmOS machine. The Mako's PDA apps (date book, phone book, to-do, notepad) I DO NOT like, they are terrible! No where as powerful as PalmOS PDA apps. (DateBk4, AddressBookR, Four.Zero, WordSmith). I use my Mako as a complement to my clie, as a gaming machine, reference and ebook reader, and most importantly, a word processing machine.

    It can't replace my clie for a number of reasons. Aside from the PDA apps, there are very few developers for EPOC. I can't find the good educational software I use for PalmOS. There is no colour and no backlight. The contrast is great though.

    What I do like about the mako though is the built-in keyboard. I can enter basic things, few words up to a whole essay MUCH quicker on the mako than the clie. Also, the bigger screen is great for word processing and games, but doesn't benefit much in PDA apps. It did take me a few days to fully understand and grasp the EPOC OS, but it's not very hard. It's a great unit overall, but just not able to replace my Sony Clie PEG-N710C. Nothing can stand up to it!
    nelson.hsieh
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  13.    #93  
    I'm also using my Mako as more of a supplement to my Visor Prism. That's partly due to the color screen - once you have used 16 bit color it's tough to go back to grayscale. That said, as grayscale goes it's a nice screen - much nicer than my old VDX.

    It's also due to the ease of use of the Palm form factor for quick reference - no need to open up a clamshell case. If I have to just look up an address or check my calendar, I'm much more likely to grab my Prism than my Mako. The Mako is better for other tasks, like heavy-duty text input.

    I have to disagree with AzNCoMpUtAnErD about the built-in apps on the Psion being inferior to their Palm OS equivalents. I love Wordsmith, but EPOC Word kicks its posterior. Sheet is also a nice program, and looks much better on the Mako's landscape screen than any Palm OS spreadsheet program I've used. The EPOC contacts program has more fields than the stock Palm OS address book, but I will concede I haven't tried the specific program he references.

    The Mako's built-in email and Web browser programs are also far superior to anything comparable for the Palm OS. I've used both Blazer and Browse-it, and Opera is much better - at least if you disregard the color issue.

    It's certainly true that there aren't anywhere near as many third-party apps, and many of the ones available are a little pricey. However, other than games I've been able to find pretty much everything I really need.
  14. #94  
    Originally posted by VTL
    I'm also using my Mako as more of a supplement to my Visor Prism. That's partly due to the color screen - once you have used 16 bit color it's tough to go back to grayscale. That said, as grayscale goes it's a nice screen - much nicer than my old VDX.
    Yea, the colour screen on the clie is far superior to the mako. I've never used a grayscale handheld before, spoiled, so I have to say, that the mako screen is a big minus for me. WinCE machines, Palm IIIc, Sony Clie.

    It's also due to the ease of use of the Palm form factor for quick reference - no need to open up a clamshell case. If I have to just look up an address or check my calendar, I'm much more likely to grab my Prism than my Mako. The Mako is better for other tasks, like heavy-duty text input.
    Very true, like I said, the PDA apps (date book, phone book, to-dos, notepad) are far easier and quicker to use than the clamshell mako. Usually I don't need the stylus for doing such tasks with a Palm, with the mako, I do. However, I find inputing a new contact or appointment on the mako to be MUCH quicker with the built-in keyboard. However, Palm wins in lookup, not entering. It's hard to use one hand to hold the mako, and other tap the sceen, much easier with a PalmOS machine.

    I have to disagree with AzNCoMpUtAnErD about the built-in apps on the Psion being inferior to their Palm OS equivalents. I love Wordsmith, but EPOC Word kicks its posterior. Sheet is also a nice program, and looks much better on the Mako's landscape screen than any Palm OS spreadsheet program I've used. The EPOC contacts program has more fields than the stock Palm OS address book, but I will concede I haven't tried the specific program he references.
    Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was talking about the built-in Contacts and Agenda apps for the mako. I totally agree with you about the Makos great built-in apps. However, I think DateBk4 and AddressBookR are far superior, quicker, and easier to use than those. WordSmith is great, but nothing compared to the Word app with a true high resolution screen. However, taking notes in the dark will be hard, when teachers put up transparent overheads. . I don't use Sheet, because I don't need spreadsheet in my use of PDAs, or database, so I have no opinion there. DateBk4 and AddressBookR are great replacements for the PalmOS built-in software, and far greater than its EPOC counterparts. However, WordSmith is shamed compared to the built-in Word app on the mako.

    The Mako's built-in email and Web browser programs are also far superior to anything comparable for the Palm OS. I've used both Blazer and Browse-it, and Opera is much better - at least if you disregard the color issue.
    I don't have a cell phone, , and don't travel a lot, so these apps don't have any affect on me. I must say that the internet on a Palm is shameful though. From screenshots, Web and the WAP browser seem great, but I don't need them. Nice to know they're there.

    It's certainly true that there aren't anywhere near as many third-party apps, and many of the ones available are a little pricey. However, other than games I've been able to find pretty much everything I really need.
    Yea, that's one of the reasons I love PalmOS over Pocket PC and EPOC. I've actually found a good amount of great games, utilizing the loud speaker and high resolution screen...hmm...However, I can't find any freeware dictionaries, translators, homework tracking (none at all ), and reference materials. TomeRaider costs money!!! GrRrR...That's a main reason I still NEED my PalmOS machine. Different people have different needs and uses, glad it works for you.
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  15. #95  
    Just one other observation. The Mako is a $300 retail price machine. For $300, you do not get a palm machine with anything more than the built in apps. All color palm devices are over $300. There was a thread here on VC once about how much everyone has spent on their visor. My total for my vdx came to over $700 with only the modem module, flash module, stylus, case, and software.

    Quick list of items mako personally replaced at current retail prices (round-a-bout):
    Visor Deluxe $180
    Modem $40
    Documents to go v3.0 or equal $50
    Flip cover to cover screen in-pocket. $15
    phone mate $10
    That new louder-speaker module $30?
    Backup buddy $30
    Reference software (translate, m-w dictionary, wordsleuth) $60
    Batteries and charger $22
    Total: $437

    the mako + modem + tomeraider = $405

    the prices are comparable at retail but the Mako is now $185 with modem and tome raider.

    Both have strengths
    VisorDX:
    -USB
    -Palm OS library (not THAT much better than EPOC for most users)
    -More expandable (although springboards are expensive compared to similar hardware in almost every example, which is a major let-down)
    -avantgo
    -backlit

    Mako:
    -screen
    -power of available and built-in apps
    -Multi tasking
    -Easier interface with PC for many tasks IMHO
    -internet browser
    -useful email app
    -incredible file system

    The only thing that the mako lacks in my opinion is a stowaway, sd slot, backlight, usb, and a color screen to be perfect.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone would prefer the VDX to the Mako. I have never used a color handheld so that is the only point of view I can take.

    Color units may be better, but why not just get an Ipaq if you are going to spend close to $500 on a palmtop computer?
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  16.    #96  
    Well, I wouldn't get an IPaq because I don't care for the Pocket PC OS - too clunky for my tastes. But I think you make a good point about the relative costs.
  17. #97  
    Hmm -

    my original PDA was a Psion 3a that I picked up at a thrift store for $35.00. I still use it daily as a alarm clock (much better than ANY palm/clone that I've ever heard) and I agree with the poster who said that it feels safe in your pocket, the way that Visor with its oh-so-breakable screen doesn't.

    I came to Visor as I wanted a Palm OS handheld for the amount of software that was available, and the fact that my 3a only had 512k of ram, and 768k of storage - not enough for ebooks and games. I bought the visor due to the springboard (A IIIxe was the same price) and eventually I have picked up a couple of springboards and the folding keyboard for it. It fits my wants, but I miss the 3a's ease of use. I also miss the serial connector that came with it that allowed me to plug into hubs and Bay networks annex boxes and reset security stuff.

    The Mako has tempted me quite sorely as of late, but I have manfully resisted its pull. However, the 5mx clone that Ericsson had made for its part of the EPOC/Symbian congolmerate is VERY tempting. Its about $250.00 instead of 99.00 but it comes with a backlight, and a CF card reader. Otherwise it looks a lot like the mako, and comes with an IR modem for *free*.

    Bottom line is that while the Mako/5mx doesn't have the apps that Palm does - the engineering of the unit is more attractive to me. If they had made a better marketing effort to businesses, I think they would have survived. I like my Visor for what I do with it, but I use it mostly for my amusement, rather than as a serious business aid. The Mako series includes all the things that a busy executive would need - word type application, excel type application, PIM software, etc - and it syncs with more things out of the box than Palm does.

    My $.02

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  18. #98  
    Originally posted by jeffbeerman2
    Just one other observation. The Mako is a $300 retail price machine. For $300, you do not get a palm machine with anything more than the built in apps. All color palm devices are over $300. There was a thread here on VC once about how much everyone has spent on their visor. My total for my vdx came to over $700 with only the modem module, flash module, stylus, case, and software.

    The only thing that the mako lacks in my opinion is a stowaway, sd slot, backlight, usb, and a color screen to be perfect.

    I find it hard to believe that anyone would prefer the VDX to the Mako. I have never used a color handheld so that is the only point of view I can take.

    Color units may be better, but why not just get an Ipaq if you are going to spend close to $500 on a palmtop computer?
    Very true, and now that it's selling for $100, it's a great steal. A m100 is more than that! I agree with the opinion that a color screen, stowaway capability, backlight, and USB would make the mako almost perfect. The OS however is a large part of making it "unperfect."

    However, I disagree about the VDX. I would prefer ANY palmOS machine over the mako for many reasons, as I've stated before in this post. The Mako just can't stand up to PalmOS, it's a great unit, but not great enough. It's a "complement" to our visors, palms, and clies, not a replacement. Once you try colour, you'll never want to go back to grayscale, one of the minuses for the mako, as I've ALWAYS used color handhelds.

    Your last statement, I do not agree. The iPAQ is a terrible unit in my view. It's no where even close as capable as a WinCE Palmtop, (i.e. Jornada 720) To get something close to equivalent, you would have to spend around $1,500. The Jornada has a larger color screen, great built-in keyboard (touch typing), CF and PC Card slots. Great software (office apps, PIM apps), and a host full of features. There's is ALMOST nothing you can't do with the Jornada. It's just a little pricy. However, I would NEVER go for an iPAQ, you'd have to kill me.
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  19. #99  
    Originally posted by tucson_sailors
    Hmm -

    my original PDA was a Psion 3a that I picked up at a thrift store for $35.00. I still use it daily as a alarm clock (much better than ANY palm/clone that I've ever heard) and I agree with the poster who said that it feels safe in your pocket, the way that Visor with its oh-so-breakable screen doesn't
    Wow, get me one, hehe. The mako is a great unit, very well built. I've never used a visor, so I can't comment on its screen. However, the clie's is great, the best built PDA I have, better than the mako.

    I came to Visor as I wanted a Palm OS handheld for the amount of software that was available, and the fact that my 3a only had 512k of ram, and 768k of storage - not enough for ebooks and games. I bought the visor due to the springboard (A IIIxe was the same price) and eventually I have picked up a couple of springboards and the folding keyboard for it. It fits my wants, but I miss the 3a's ease of use. I also miss the serial connector that came with it that allowed me to plug into hubs and Bay networks annex boxes and reset security stuff.
    How can you say that PalmOS isn't easier to use than EPOC?!??!?!! Are you an alien? EPOC is NO WHERE as easy to use as PalmOS...My girlfriend picked up my Palm and could immediatly understand how to use it. She saw my mako and was IMMEDIATELY confused and asking me how to use it. Weird...well, about the connectors, I prefer USB, fast fast fast, end of conversation.

    The Mako has tempted me quite sorely as of late, but I have manfully resisted its pull. However, the 5mx clone that Ericsson had made for its part of the EPOC/Symbian congolmerate is VERY tempting. Its about $250.00 instead of 99.00 but it comes with a backlight, and a CF card reader. Otherwise it looks a lot like the mako, and comes with an IR modem for *free*.

    Bottom line is that while the Mako/5mx doesn't have the apps that Palm does - the engineering of the unit is more attractive to me. If they had made a better marketing effort to businesses, I think they would have survived. I like my Visor for what I do with it, but I use it mostly for my amusement, rather than as a serious business aid. The Mako series includes all the things that a busy executive would need - word type application, excel type application, PIM software, etc - and it syncs with more things out of the box than Palm does.
    Well, the mako is only $99!!! Why don't you just go for it! I'm a poor high school student, and I went for it! Wow, is that the 5MX? That's a pretty good price, you can't get anything near as good as that for that price in the Palm camp. Actually, the 5MX is noticably larger and heavier than the mako. Less usable and pocketable...

    Actually, the bottom line is you CAN'T compare EPOC to PalmOS, as you can't compare Pocket PC to PalmOS. They are different operating systems, and in this case, different hardware goals, that are designed and built for different reasons. The EPOC is built for the mobile businesman, it has EVERYTHING they need. PalmOS is built for literally, EVERYONE. If you're using your visor for pure amusement, maybe it's a toy to you, not a PDA. You should get yourself some good software, and stop playing games. I love my mako, but it purely just can't compete with the new Sony Clie and PalmOS units in general. That's why PSION is pulling out of PDAs.

    I would say Palm can sync better than EPOC...but that's just my opinion, I don't work for a business. However, I guess you could say that's true. All up to the user, pick what's best for you! Palm is the choice for most!
    nelson.hsieh
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  20. #100  
    Originally posted by MarkEagle

    Darn... you didn't take the bait!
    It was tempting I agree But you too blinded by the HS light (Prism?) to see the truth

    Originally posted by MarkEagle

    Perhaps that's why these things are selling so cheap? I've noticed the severe lack of decent apps, though I've only checked out a couple of sites so far. I think the developer community is one of the main reasons that the PalmOS is so strong.
    Tru, very tru I'm afraid....
    Altouhg I did find some good apps, but not as much as I would like...

    Originally posted by MarkEagle

    Hmmm... maybe we should revoke your moderator status?!?!? Or change your name to MakoTraitor?!?!?
    At least I did not sell my soul to the devel (i.e. WinCE)

    All your mako are belong to us!
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