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  1. #41  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT

    Now I'm even bummed out because I did not order the modem
    You do know that you can use that IR modem with a Visor don't you??? If you ever wanted to use a non-modem-module +keyboard +modem you should have picked one up.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  2. #42  
    Originally posted by jeffbeerman2


    You do know that you can use that IR modem with a Visor don't you??? If you ever wanted to use a non-modem-module +keyboard +modem you should have picked one up.
    Not to be a wet blanket, but you can't use an IR modem at the same time as a serial port keyboard. I've tried it with a Psion IR modem, which Diamond sells under its own name, and a Stowaway, and it's a no-go. It won't work because the serial and IR port share the same interrupt. Bummer.
  3. #43  
    Originally posted by dvIceT


    Not to be a wet blanket, but you can't use an IR modem at the same time as a serial port keyboard. I've tried it with a Psion IR modem, which Diamond sells under its own name, and a Stowaway, and it's a no-go. It won't work because the serial and IR port share the same interrupt. Bummer.
    indeed bummer...
    If you want to get rid of the modem let me know
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  4. #44  
    Quick first impression:

    It is a bit odd holding this thing after so much time with Palm OS machines. The screen contrast is very much like my visor's, but the images and text are both much sharper.

    I played with the Opera browser a bit. It is really full featured, but I found myself wondering if there was a service similar to the one browse-it uses, so the pages would load modified low-bandwidth images. You must close all of the toolbars in Opera to really take advantage of the large display, but this will not be too much trouble once I memorize the KB shortcuts to common tasks.

    One program which I thought I would miss is Phone Mate quick phone lookup. The address book in the revo is great. Just open it and type a few letters from any of the address fields, then pres enter and it will list all possible names: just like Phone Mate with a better input method.

    The alarms and all system sound is a billion times better than the visor.

    The date book is very nice and easy to read (It's Purdy ). To enter a new item, the KB shortcut is shift+control+E. There are a lot of options and it is relatively easy to enter them.

    I have not figured out how to use the WAP browser, I am hoping this provides a good fast browsing experience.

    The sync with outlook is flawless for datebook and contacts. I have had difficulty with the email sync but have not looked very hard yet to find the solution.

    TomeRaider is a really great value. Why did I not buy the palm version instead of the translators and language references I bought one by one?

    There is a fair selection of freeware. I have used and set up several good games plus a great freeware checkbook program. I also have a very good conversion program, but it is not nearly as fast/easy to open it as the DA I have been using for conversions.

    I wish there was a bug me type app out there. I carried the visor along today too. I pulled it out four times to use bug me, once to use a conversion DA, plus two more times to check vintage charts in Pocket Vineyard.


    I wish the jotter would sync with the note app in outlook. I like having a place to paste a few lines of text in my PC and know that the visor will contain that text after a hot sync.

    I have not really even looked at the data app, but it says somewhere that the data app syncs with some part of outlook which I aparently dont use.

    The Word and sheet apps are great. There is a spell check feature in all of them and it even will spell check an email. The spell check is not as slow as I expected, it works really well.

    The today screen is really great. It displays Todos Apointments and system info (battery, memory, ect)

    I love the idea of rechargable batteries.

    Dragging files into a window to install them is really great. Office files do not sync like in DocToGo (I dont think they will anyway). You simply copy files to and from the revo using Windows explorer. I think that the file conversion is actually a DataViz product.

    There is a full-backup utility "in the box".

    My first-look conclusion:
    "Out of the box", the Mako is much better than a vdx. I have about $150-$200 worth of software in the visor and it can do most of the things the mako can, but it should have had a lot of that software included (for exampleocToGo, BackupBuddy, Isilo, Blazer). It is really too bad that Psion left the handheld biz, they are good at it.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  5.    #45  
    You have hit most of the high points - my experience over the last four days (got mine Monday) tracks yours. I'm very happy with the unit.

    However, I'm looking at is as a supplement to my Visor Prism - not a replacement. It's more likely to replace my laptop for some applications.

    Pluses for Mako:

    Word processor rocks. I love WordSmith for the Palm OS, but it's no where near as good as EPOC Word. It spell checks, it dices, it slices, etc.

    Other built-in apps are quite good too.

    Built-in keyboard with touch screen is nice for some, but not all, situations.

    Screen is nice and sharp - much better than my old VDX

    Minues for Mako:

    Clamshell form factor not as convenient for just looking stuff up - doesn't feel as right in my hand when I'm just looking for a phone number or appointments. There's a reason, I suppose, that the Palm form factor pioneered by Hawkins rules the PDA world - remember when Win CE first came out, they were all clamshell/keyboard units? Don't see many these days.

    Not in color. If I hadn't upgraded from a VDX to a Prism, I might not notice so much.

    No backlight, which is kind of inexplicable.

    Other issues:

    I haven't used the browser much, but Opera seems nice - for greyscale on a small screen. I did fax something using a third-party program, and it worked fantastic.

    Finally, Jeff look up a program called Sketch. I got mine from www.epocware.com It's not quite as user friendly as Bugme, and it doesn't have an alarm, but it's a good paint/sketch program. It might help solve part of your problem.
  6. #46  
    I have found some ability to replace bug me with the time app. The beauty of bug me is that you can set alarms quickly to remind (bug) you about somthing. I can make the time app display text and sound an alarm a specified time, but you need to glance at the clock and think about when you need the alarm. Bug me has the quick alarm feature where you just have it bug you in 5min or an hour or whatever.

    I have the sketch app and it will be great for drawing a quick map or whatever. Without the ability to scroll through different drawings or make a new drawing with simple hard-buttons, it cant replace bug me when I make a simple list. I often use bug me and will create tens of files as a checklist which I can scroll back through. I run a wine store so making a list of things to gather will always be a visor task. I will not stop carrying the visor because of the abilities of bug-me, or maby I should just go buy some note pads and give the darn visor to my girlfriend.

    I think that I would not be as impressed with the mako if I owned a better visor. The visor deluxe is very slow compared to the mako. The visor deluxe display is also very poor compared to the mako. I seldom ever use the backlight so I don't miss it.

    In short, many of the power tasks will be taken over by the mako. I will still use the visor for its great abilities as a souped up pocket notepad and quick-reference tool. I just need to get past my coworkers making fun of my carrying two pocket computers all of the time

    One thing about mako, it kind of makes me think that the perfect machine for me might just be the Handera. Too bad the handera has a slow processor and serial syncing only. I still might go buy one when it is able to run OS4 with its improved grafitti.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  7. #47  
    more news on psion:

    Psion Denies it is Leaving Handheld Market
    It was reported yesterday that Psion would be exiting the handheld market. According to the earlier reports Psion was completely pulling out of the consumer handheld market other than selling off its current inventory and supporting the devices that have been sold.
    Peter Bancroft, a senior spokesman for Psion, released a follow-up statement saying that "There will be more Psion consumer products in the future." According to Bancroft Psion is merely 'suspending' their plans to develop a consumer Bluetooth device.

    Bancroft added that the slow development of Bluetooth technology was a major factor in Psion's decision to 'suspend' the development of their Bluetooth device. Psion saw no point in releasing a Bluetooth device when there were only a few other devices for it to communicate with.

    In his statement Bancroft also adds that shrinking profit margins in the handheld marketplace have made it increasingly difficult to remain competitive while still making money. If/When Psion decides that the market is primed to receive their Bluetooth device it is highly likely that Psion will join with a partner, or Psion may simply sell the intellectual property.
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  8. #48  
    Originally posted by jeffbeerman2


    In short, many of the power tasks will be taken over by the mako. I will still use the visor for its great abilities as a souped up pocket notepad and quick-reference tool. I just need to get past my coworkers making fun of my carrying two pocket computers all of the time

    Why wait for the co-workers, we can rag on you now!!!!

    How many pocket protectors do you have?
    Let me guess at least two right?
    One for each pocket, perfect for your two gadget geek addiction.

    But then where would you put all those "COOL" sylus pens that you have collected. need at least three at any one time, just in case you lose two.
    Oh wait, you have that bulky case hanging from your belt.
    Solution:
    Keep one device in the case on your belt. (Its fake ostrich skin you know Ooooh)
    Pens in one pocket protector.
    Second device in the other pocket protector

    Now we're stylin.

    "Jeffrey is a ne---erd"
    "Jeffrey is a ne---erd"
    "Jeffrey is a ne---erd"

    Sorry buddy I just coulnt resist
  9.    #49  
    Well, he's less of a nerd than I am - I'm carrying three (Blackberry, Prism and Mako) plus cell phone.
  10. #50  
    Well, I'm no longer a two PDA nerd. I gave the Handspring to my girlfriend (but I made a backup copy of my profile in the palm folder, just in case). The Psion is just incredible compared to the visor. I am very glad you started this thread VTL.

    I found a freeware jotter which can replace bug me's ability to quickly scroll through notes, and I am really starting to like the time app for quick alarm reminders.

    I really love the file system. The ability to set up folders to organize my reference material, and then click on the actual file to open the file+app. Why didnt palm build this int their OS, it is so simple.

    Multi-tasking is great. I hate switching between apps on the visor and loosing my place. I don't miss all of the DA's because I no longer need them!

    I have had very few problems with sync and backup operations, and I am learning what gives the sync software a "headache" so I can avoid a few small problems. If it had usb and they just slightly improved the sync software, this machine would be perfect.

    BTW, if you bought a Mako and are considering TomTom Offline web, dont expect it to be as good as avantgo. You cant use Yahoo because the desktop sync doesnt submit offline forms and logins. This also prevents using hollywood and any other locally customized sites. It does do a great job of syncing most web sites, but just dont expect to be able to log onto some sites and submitt forms for sync offline.

    There is also a ton of great freeware. I am running a great golf game, chess game, two solitare games, a file switching app (ala windows alt+tab), a full featured money app, and two really great scetch/doodle apps; all free and commercial grade.

    The date book and contacts apps are better and just as fast/easy to use as the Visor apps. I hate to repeat myself, but,THE ALARMS ARE REALLY LOUD AND ACTUALLY USEABLE

    One thing I did not expect is the WOW factor. People are really impressed with the form factor compared to screen size and power. Everyone wants to play with it. I have a couple of friends who have PPCs and one of them went straight to his PC to order after playing with my Mako.

    Palm/Handspring have a long way to go before they are as good as Revo/Mako's EPOC IMHO.

    Has anyone tried the IR printer adapter Sparco is offering for ~$35?

    Who can fill me in on how to use the WAP browser. Does it need some kind of subscription to a special ISP? Is it just a phone thing?
    Last edited by jeffbeerman2; 07/27/2001 at 02:16 AM.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  11. #51  
    Wow now you got me wanting one.
    And I WILL keep my clie.
    I was thinking about a keyboard anyway, 100 buck right there.

    Ill be known as NERDBOY SUPREME before Im finished.

    Ill have to hide it from my wife though.
    Im BOTH a nerd AND a wimp.
  12.    #52  
    Beerdude:

    Glad to be of service.

    So, couple of questions, as it sounds like you have put more time into browsing the available applications out there.

    Do you really like the offline web app? It sounds interesting, but I have been hesitant to lay down the dough for something I wasn't sure was that useful.

    Which sketch programs to you like? I have "Sketch" which seems nice but I haven't used it much yet.

    I was going to play with the WAP browser a bit this weekend, I'll let you know what I figure out. However, I think I remember reading that Opera is so much better that most Revo/Mako users don't end up using the WAP browser very often.
  13. #53  
    Originally posted by VTL
    Do you really like the offline web app? It sounds interesting, but I have been hesitant to lay down the dough for something I wasn't sure was that useful.
    It does what it is supposed to, it gets web pages. The pages I was disappointed becase I could not get them are: Yahoo's Avanto channel, and Wine Spectators question of the day. i assume that they need some kind of cookie to operate properly. It is much better browsing with Opera but syncing takes a little while longer, both retrieveing pages and syncing the pages to the handheld. The pages are customized just like Avantgo custom channels. Offline web creates a start page similar to avantgo which you can bookmark and you must set your browser to offline mode from the file menu. If Avantgo scores 9 of 10, then Offline web scores about a 7.

    Update: Another flaw in the program. If there is a link in a page, to one which is already downloaded, it will download it again. For example, if you get the avantgo wall street journal page and follow a link to a story which contains a link back to the home page, it will download the home page again thus using more space. i think I will send an email asking for my money back, but doubt I will get it. What a poor product

    Which sketch programs to you like? I have "Sketch" which seems nice but I haven't used it much yet.
    I have scetch so I can put drawings into word documents and because I think it will be useful for the fax app. I also have quick note because I like to quickly toggle through the notes when I am making a list. My visor is a bit old now, but drawing on the screen seems to be a bit better on the mako.

    I havn't tried very hard, but I think some kind of pay-gateway is needed for WAP. I doubt I would use it even if it were available because I have
    plinkit set as my homepage in Opera. Most of those pages are perfect for small browsers and low band connections. Let me know if you get WAP to work.
    Last edited by jeffbeerman2; 07/29/2001 at 12:14 AM.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  14. #54  
    There is a fair selection of freeware. I have used and set up several good games plus a great freeware checkbook program. I also have a very good conversion program, but it is not nearly as fast/easy to open it as the DA I have been using for conversions
    Jeff I'll be getting my Mako on Wednesday!
    What is the freeware checkbook program that you found?

    Thanks
  15. #55  
    Originally posted by Radar


    Jeff I'll be getting my Mako on Wednesday!
    What is the freeware checkbook program that you found?

    Thanks
    Pocket Bank for Revo/Mako
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  16. #56  
    thanks Jeff
  17. #57  
    I finally decided to order one of these things from Outpost.com, but I just got an e-mail from them that it's backordered without a confirmed delivery date. Does anyone know where else it's available online, or perhaps retail in New York City? Many thanks.
  18. #58  
    I just received mine from Sparco.com
  19. #59  
    Another killer app.

    I havn't registered yet, but made a lot more space on my revo with Zip Manager.

    I downloaded it thinking it would just be a way to unzip downloaded software. Turns out to be a way to kind of replace the file system and save space to boot.

    Before the zip manager, I had a lot of reference documents in word and sheet format, organized in folders. I took all of the files in each folder and created a zip file of them. The zip manager will automatically list and can open individual files in a given zip archive, when the zip file is opened. It basically has the feel of a file manager.

    For example, I had vintage charts, a glossary, lots of regional producer info, and other various files in a folder called "wine". It was about 2MB. I created a zip file containing all of the files which were in the wine folder, then deleted the wine folder+files. Now I just simply click the zip file, rather than the folder. Zip manager lists all of the files in the archive. When I double click one of the files, it unzips only that file (or makes a temporary copy) and launches the app+file. When I close the file, it is no longer in ram and only lives in the zip file again. You can always save as a new file, or even save changes back to the zip archive. For ordinary documents, it is just as fast as the normal file system.

    Of course it can unzip a copies of the entire archive, or just a file, to a folder rather than launch the file+app.

    With all of my files, I saved almost 3MB. It compresses word and sheet files to about half of their size. Unfortunately, Tome Raider files are too compresed already, to get much improvement in their size (about a 20% reduction to those). Apps cannot be easily launched because they have multiple files, so the usefulness of opening files is lost with trying to zip whole apps.

    I also tried a very similar app which can be found at RMR Zip
    Last edited by jeffbeerman2; 08/06/2001 at 12:26 PM.
    Here's the London Daily Mirror last week: "On a visit to the British Museum he [President George W Bush] was asked by one of 30 pupils gathered what the White House was like, to which he replied: 'It is white.'... Then he went on to tell the audience the importance of a good education. He said: 'Sometimes boys and girls would rather watch TV than read. When your teachers say read, they are giving you pretty damn good advice.' "
  20.    #60  
    Sounds very cool. Thanks Jeff.
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