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    Okay, there seems to be plenty of info spread across various threads, so I thought I would try to get people to collapse into CONCISE postings on this thread. Hopefully we can try to minimize the debate and just post what we think the pros/cons are for either.

    Feel free to be generic, but my particular situation is that I mainly use calendar/contacts applications and have been a long-time Palm user. Obviously the price point has come down enough to consider iPhone... I'm currently on a Treo 650/Verizon month-to-month.

    Let the games begin, and thanks for your thoughts!
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    PIM on Palm OS and WM can't be beat by competing OSes right now...
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    I hated the PIM in my treo 650. Is it different? I replaced mine by keysuite, which was much better.
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    I owned a Treo 600, 650, 700p, and checked out a Centro before I switched to an iPhone. The only feature I miss from my Treo is a system-wide clipboard. Otherwise, it seems that one would require a very Palm-specific feature to consider a Centro over an iPhone 3G. The lack of task manager, IM, MMS, and DocsToGo will be remedied by third party apps. I doubt Apple will allow tethering into their App Store, but the workaround is to simply get a dedicated ExpressCard or USB adapter.

    Palm may still have a window of opportunity since Windows Mobile sucks, and Android is immature. Windows Mobile and Android also are designed to support multiple hardware vendors. Palms should have an advantage like Apple where they control the whole kit. BlackBerry is in a world of its own for people who are addicted to text, and often carry another cell phone for voice. Nokia seems to have abandoned the U.S. market, which is unfortunate for Symbian.

    It would be cool if Apple and AT&T let people take an iPhone for a two week test drive. It takes a week or so to trust the keyboard, and get used to the powerful simplicity of the iPhone. The advanced capabilities of the current iPhone more than make up for the EVDO on my 700p. For my needs, the iPhone blows away the Centro. However, one could argue that they serve two different markets so it's unfair to compare them. Apple's aggressive pricing for the iPhone 3G does add to its allure, but I digress.
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    I've used several other platforms ( RIM, Symbian,WM) and still the Palm OS beats them all for PIM databases! Combining Palm platform with Datebk6 and nothing compares to it! I am particularly fond of Palm's graphical week view - very easy to interpret!

    My Palm Centro is proving to be quite the little power house. There was an iPhone review in our local paper and it appears there are quite a few things amiss with the newfangled device!

    In this day of texting, SMS, WEB access and email from phones- not having a cut/paste ability severely cripples using the device for any sort of expedient communication.

    Virtual keyboards NEVER work as well as REAL keyboards. Not having a user accessible battery is simply unacceptable. There are many instances where having a spare battery handy and able to install immediately is better than having to plug in to a charger.

    But like anything else the iPhone is just one more choice for folks to pick from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btn View Post
    Palm may still have a window of opportunity since Windows Mobile sucks, and Android is immature. Windows Mobile and Android also are designed to support multiple hardware vendors. Palms should have an advantage like Apple where they control the whole kit. BlackBerry is in a world of its own for people who are addicted to text, and often carry another cell phone for voice. Nokia seems to have abandoned the U.S. market, which is unfortunate for Symbian.
    I noticed you did not own a windows mobile device.

    My 700wx is one of the best purchases I've made. I'm not sure how you figure "it sucks" unless you are taking in the "general consensus of mass thought about Microsoft products." Oddly enough, apple customers don't seem to like Microsoft products. Now, if you had said something like windows mobile might not properly service the "consumer" market, I might have agreed with you.

    It is going to be interesting to see how "immature" android will be. People were saying the same things about apple before they launched the iphone. Google launches some bad stuff at times, but I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one...

    side note: I'm still mad at you for leaving ED... hopefully things are going well for you in your new endeavors.... funny it is almost a year... we miss you over there (seriously)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgewizard View Post
    Virtual keyboards NEVER work as well as REAL keyboards
    Mine does.
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    Mine too. Over a year in, and the "p" key on my virtual keyboard still works. Unlike my treo's. And countless other people's treos. I also hear there are other virtual things that work as good as real things - one that i hear good things about is called "email." Of course, my grandpa says it's newfangled, unreliable, and lacks tactile feedback, but I suspect it will catch on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmaier View Post
    Mine too. Over a year in, and the "p" key on my virtual keyboard still works.
    I heard on another forum that the "p" key failed on treos because people were searching for porn.

    (Yes, this was a joke...)


    Unlike my treo's. And countless other people's treos. I also hear there are other virtual things that work as good as real things - one that i hear good things about is called "email." Of course, my grandpa says it's newfangled, unreliable, and lacks tactile feedback, but I suspect it will catch on.
    I'm against virtual keyboards due to my EXPERIENCE with them. Of course, I don't own an iphone or any other phone that does not have a keyboard. I'm fairly sure that I would adopt well to a virtual keyboard.

    On my treo 700wx, I sometimes use the virtual numbers key to dial numbers. It was odd at first, but I've adjusted....
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    It definitely requires a couple weeks of adaptation. The thing is, once you learn to trust the auto-correction, you can fly. Of course, the same correction software could be used for a hardware keyboard, which would be the best of both worlds, presumably. (Other than the remaining virtual keypad advantages: the ability to adjust layouts based on context, lack of moving parts that can break).
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmaier View Post
    It definitely requires a couple weeks of adaptation. The thing is, once you learn to trust the auto-correction, you can fly. Of course, the same correction software could be used for a hardware keyboard, which would be the best of both worlds, presumably. (Other than the remaining virtual keypad advantages: the ability to adjust layouts based on context, lack of moving parts that can break).
    I was so busy with the joke in the post above yours, that I messed up the rest of my post.... I was going to correct the post but it is too far gone....

    What I mean to say was that I don't think many people who *hate* virtual keyboards give the virtual keyboards a chance.

    I also don't think you can adjust by visiting the local store and spending three minutes on a device.

    Like I said with my treo, once I found that I had the large virtual dialing pad, I started using it... it felt funny for a while, but I did adjust. I go back and forth on the issue though... and even now I'm waiting for the treo 800 because it has the keyboard. I'm not ready to make a leap just yet.
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    agreed. not once have i had an issue with my iPhone keyboard but i will go as far as saying that i prefer the tactile keyboard on my blackberry (less misses i would say, and a bit faster me thinks). definitely a matter of trusting the auto-correction and becoming familiar with letter spacing and the like. the one thing that i love about the virtual keyboard is that it allows for the larger screen (in the iPhone's case) and that's a big enough positive to help outweigh any negative.
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    How good is the iPhone auto correction software in handling a non-English language syntax and grammar? Or a mix of English and non English words in a foreign language sentence? I turn off the word completion on WM since it's slowing my typing because WM has to lookup into the word completion database.
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    The auto-correction software is not related to syntax/grammar/spellchecking. It tries to figure out on a word-by-word basis what you meant to type. So, for example, if you type "grklp" it will convert that to "hello." I've tried it in German, and it seems fine, but I think if you mix languages you need to switch from keyboard to keyboard (which you can do right from the keyboard).
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    Oh I don't need to switch keyboard. Standard qwerty is fine. But in my language a word can have a prefix, an infix or a suffix. And the prefix can be attached or detached to the word. Thanks for the clarification on word correction. It's different from WM's word/phrase completion.
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    When i say "switch keyboard" i mean "pick the keyboard language." in the settings you can tell iphone you want one or more languages. If more than one, then it adds a special key to the keyboard that lets you select what language you are about to type. So, for example, when I mix english and german I might type:

    Grpol, <select german>gitrn tsg

    and it will correct it to "Hello, guten Tag."

    You select a different keyboard for two reasons:

    1) different keys and layout, for example characters that don't appear in English
    2) to tell the software how to correct what you type. "gstrn" would, for example, maybe be corrected to "hello" in English, and "hallo" in German.
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    That's a nice scheme. Thanks for the explanation.
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    Besides the keyboad, the other things to consider are screen size and wifi. Iphone beats palm in both those aspects.

    Sheer launching speed though, few can beat Palm OS.

    As far as 3rd party apps, Palm and WM are still at the top. You can go nuts customizing Palm/WM devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forgewizard View Post
    . . . the Palm OS beats them all for PIM databases! Combining Palm platform with Datebk6 and nothing compares to it! I am particularly fond of Palm's graphical week view - very easy to interpret!

    . . .

    Virtual keyboards NEVER work as well as REAL keyboards. Not having a user accessible battery is simply unacceptable. There are many instances where having a spare battery handy and able to install immediately is better than having to plug in to a charger.
    I think the iPhone is sweet and sexy. I still love my Treo (even with its long-in-the-tooth OS, 2.5G radio, etc). Before I would switch to iPhone, I would need to be satisfied with (1) the keyboard--I like the tactile feedback of a physical keyboard and my experiences with the iPhone touch screen keyboard have left me feeling that real typing would be slow and cumbersome; and (2) DateBk 6 (ARE YOU READING THIS CESD???--THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE!!). The ability to set up advance warnings (not just alarms, but actual count-downs) for events, deadlines, etc. is crucial to me. Apple's iCal just doesn't have the features that DateBk6 has.

    My thoughts.

    ~aviduser
    1995- Newton Message Pad 2000
    1998- Palm V
    1999- Palm V8 (upgrade)
    2000- Palm m505
    2001- Palm m515
    2003- Kyocera 7135
    2004- Treo 600 (woc)
    2006- Treo 700p (wc)
    2007- Treo 680 (wc)
    2008- Another Treo 680 (wc) (unlocked)
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    Avid, I think there will be lots of great PIM programs in the appstore, and more to come after launch.
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