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  1. #81  
    Surur,

    Do you think the HTC Touch Diamond will sell more units in Europe by this time next year than the iPhone 3G?
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  2. #82  
    Hey, surur, as the official MS spokesperson around here, what's with these articles saying MS is going to build piracy filters in to zune and mobile devices to prevent me from listening to my unapproved mp3's? That doesn't seem very neighborly of them.

    Updated: i guess unapproved mp3's are ok, but not unapproved videos.
  3. #83  
    So the HTC Diamond shattered your 8 month slumber? Shocked you no longer have the prettiest phone (you never really had a very functional one, did you?) Feeling your EDGE only GPS less phone is a bit obsolete. Maybe feeling you even overpaid a bit, maybe even way overpaid?

    At least you can make your own ringtones now though... Right?

    Surur
    You're not listening, Surer, as usual. It wasn't the Diamond that prompted me to post, it was you and your trolling.

    You think I'm having buyer's remorse about the iPhone? Give me a break.
  4. #84  
    I think I'd have buyer's remorse if I bought an expensive phone that refused to play videos I recorded myself unless I got permission from NBC.
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  6. #86  
    The telcos in Canada are remarkably greedy, high prices, low service. New companies came out with per-second billing and unlimited data, and the old guard was forced to match them (or create boutiques to rival them). Then they bought them, and the per-second billing and unlimited data disappeared.

    Scary similar to how the Amazon MP3 situation may play out, and the concessions already wrung from MS...
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  7. #87  
    You're not listening, Surer, as usual. It wasn't the Diamond that prompted me to post, it was you and your trolling.
    While I would love to take credit for bringing you back to smartphoneexperts, I find the coincidence of your return and the launch of the Diamond a bit too much to stomach.

    Face it - you want one and you know it!

    Surur
  8. #88  
    Face it - you want one and you know it!
    Confirmation, as if it were needed, that you are truly delusional.
  9. #89  
    Here is a report from somebody that spent some hands on time with the device.
    http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...mond-hands-on/

    To sum up......."While we were admittedly playing with a pre-production unit, we came away slightly…unimpressed."


    Surur, you take this stuff a little to seriously.
  10. #90  
    Given the basic principles of projection, wouldn't that mean Surur really, truly, deeply, surely wants him some hot iPhone action?
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  11. #91  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    Why don't you try writing your name with your finger and a pen. The benefits of a stylus should be clear, which is why they were invented thousands of years ago. Finger painting are for children with poor dexterity.



    You may, but a billion Chinese may not.

    Surur

    Are you stupid or something. You can write Chinese just fine on the iPhone. It takes 3 minutes to unlock it and install the Chinese pinying input software. I could have written this sentense in Chinese on my iPhone but you won't understand it.

    BTW too many of your iPhone related posts are straight up trolls. Can you at lease spend 200 bucks amd get a refub iPhone so you can write more accurate trolls? What's the matter you don't have 200 bucks? Or your dignity won't allow you to touch any Apple products?
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    #92  
    So far I'm not impressed by this phone. Now talk amongst yourselves.
  13. #93  
    Quote Originally Posted by mobileman View Post
    Here is a report from somebody that spent some hands on time with the device.
    http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...mond-hands-on/

    To sum up......."While we were admittedly playing with a pre-production unit, we came away slightly…unimpressed."


    Surur, you take this stuff a little to seriously.
    Or

    The TouchFLO 3D interface is, in a word, amazing. If you thought the original TouchFLO skin was impressive (or even unimpressive) than you’re in for a big surprise here. This is, without a doubt, the most un-Windows Mobile-like Windows Mobile interface we’ve ever seen, and that’s a good thing. The graphics, which rely on their own 3D accelerator chip, are stunning, and the entire user experience is exceptionally well thought through. Hyper-intuitive design is the term than comes to mind, with most every action, from contact scrolling to music selection, thought through from the perspective of a uninformed user. It’s not dumbed down, it’s just simple and straight forward. One of the most impressive features is the way that the browser automatically resizes zoomed chunks of text for easy reading and consumption. Think Mobile Safari, but even more readable. The introduction of the Touch Diamond before the Raphael or Touch Pro Dual also makes sense, as HTC is clearly trying to showcase the innovations they’ve made in the Touch UI arena before moving on to more extensive hardware revisions. That’s not to say we wouldn’t have loved a TyTN III or Mogul II announcement, but when viewed from a marketing and customer orientation perspective, their process starts to make a bit more sense.
    http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...event-wrap-up/

    Surur
  14. #94  
    Quote Originally Posted by whatever7 View Post
    Are you stupid or something. You can write Chinese just fine on the iPhone. It takes 3 minutes to unlock it and install the Chinese pinying input software. I could have written this sentense in Chinese on my iPhone but you won't understand it.
    Whatever,

    Did I say you cant write Chinese on the iPhone? No.

    Did I say it would be easier with a stylus. Yes.

    Reading comprehension, whatever, reading comprehension. They teach it in school.

    Surur
  15. #95  
    A view that's a bit less schizophrenic than BGR's:

    http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/reviews...rst-look.phtml

    Conclusion:

    Although we weren't able to test every facet of the HTC Diamond (GPS, camera quality) what we saw was very impressive.

    HTC has somehow managed to take a Microsoft device and make it everything but - a good thing in our mind.

    This is a consumer smartphone that packs more specs, and if HTC can sort out the lag issue, more punch than the iPhone in all areas. The only thing it appears to be lagging is the audio and video prowess of Apple's smartphone.

    If you aren't fussed about multimedia and just want to stay connected on the go, this is certainly one to watch.

    The HTC Diamond is out in June in the UK.
    Comparisons to the first gen iPhone rather than the one it will actually be competing with, obviously.
  16. #96  
    It's incredible, and disheartening, to see such a backlash against WinMob 6.1 from reviewers and especially manufacturers. This isn't the ancient Garnet (which I don't think has an end-to-end skin like TouchFLO available?), but a new, just-shipping OS update.

    Is this a problem with how Microsoft positioned their current-gen UI? Or is this flaky manufacturers who, rather than deploy WinMob phones, think they need another iClone and will cram whatever they have to onto poor WinMob to achieve it?
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  17. #97  
    Someone just kill this thread already...
  18. #98  
    lots of flaming in here, good read for my long train ride to work. Anyways, the hardcore fanboys of each side (surur and rene, i'm looking your way...) are quite ridiculous. There are things that WM and iPhone do well and things they aren't so good at. iPhone is great at multimedia, internet, and looking cool. Wm6 is great at productivity, efficiency of tasks, and customizability.

    My favorite thing about WM6 is the homescreens. Nobody else has come close to offering the power, customizability, and useability of the WM6 Today/home screen. Being able to do a Google Search, seeing my tasks/calendar, being able to dial directly from the homescreen, and launching programs from one central area is just so powerful, useful, and efficient. Also, having a big digital clock is something that I require that is right there as well. iPhone fanboys, you can argue this asmuch as you want, but the truth remains that for efficiency of tasks (search, PIM, dialing) and display of important information, the iPhone gets beat hands down. Just having google search on my homescreen is enough. The phone is already ringing for restaurants I looked up on my blackjack using google (or even live search) from my homescreen in the time it takes iPhone to load Google.

    My favorite thing about iPhone is the user interface. It just works, its quick, and it truly was revolutionary. This is also true of Safari...I don't even have to explain why Safari is better (besides currently being stuck on EDGE, having wifi is moot...but 3G will change all of that). WM users can try to copy the interface as much as they want, but in the end, it falls way short of the "just works intuitively" design that is iPhone. Yes, WM is arguably more powerful (in breadth of applications available, particularly for business users) and definitely more customizable (so far) but at the cost of useability to the average consumer.

    There you have it folks, a reasonable comparison of the strengths of each device (IMO).
  19. #99  
    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetluva View Post
    lots of flaming in here, good read for my long train ride to work. Anyways, the hardcore fanboys of each side (surur and rene, i'm looking your way...) are quite ridiculous. There are things that WM and iPhone do well and things they aren't so good at. iPhone is great at multimedia, internet, and looking cool. Wm6 is great at productivity, efficiency of tasks, and customizability.


    My favorite thing about WM6 is the homescreens. Nobody else has come close to offering the power, customizability, and useability of the WM6 Today/home screen. Being able to do a Google Search, seeing my tasks/calendar, being able to dial directly from the homescreen, and launching programs from one central area is just so powerful, useful, and efficient. Also, having a big digital clock is something that I require that is right there as well. iPhone fanboys, you can argue this asmuch as you want, but the truth remains that for efficiency of tasks (search, PIM, dialing) and display of important information, the iPhone gets beat hands down. Just having google search on my homescreen is enough. The phone is already ringing for restaurants I looked up on my blackjack using google (or even live search) from my homescreen in the time it takes iPhone to load Google.

    My favorite thing about iPhone is the user interface. It just works, its quick, and it truly was revolutionary. This is also true of Safari...I don't even have to explain why Safari is better (besides currently being stuck on EDGE, having wifi is moot...but 3G will change all of that). WM users can try to copy the interface as much as they want, but in the end, it falls way short of the "just works intuitively" design that is iPhone. Yes, WM is arguably more powerful (in breadth of applications available, particularly for business users) and definitely more customizable (so far) but at the cost of useability to the average consumer.

    There you have it folks, a reasonable comparison of the strengths of each device (IMO).
    I agree with you. That is why I like WM, yes it is the worst, but like you said I love to be productive, I need my task management, and I am software junky. You cant get that with any other OS.
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  20. #100  
    Quote Originally Posted by gadgetluva View Post
    There you have it folks, a reasonable comparison of the strengths of each device (IMO).
    Perhaps, but which devices? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you seem to have compared the iPhone with a Treo/Blackjack type device. I've only watched one video once of the HTC Diamond, but a lot of what you like - simple dialling or Google search from the home screen etc - seems to be absent, not least because there's no permanently exposed keyboard (no physical keyboard at all). I'd be tempted to say this is HTC's play for the iPhone, multimedia space, but it seems crippled as a multimedia device by low storage capacity and a very small battery.
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