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  1. #21  
    Surer, integration != bundling.

    You're confusing terminology and technology.

    You can have separate components which integrate together when you choose to use them this way. Imagine a Sony TV, PS3, Receiver, Speakers, PSP, and Walkman MP3. Witness iLife apps creating content for iPhone which can also stream to Apple TV, all run off the Quicktime foundation.

    And, again, please see Windows Live, which shows Microsoft can do integration which is not bundled.
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  2.    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by rener View Post
    Surer, integration != bundling.

    You're confusing terminology and technology.

    You can have separate components which integrate together when you choose to use them this way. Imagine a Sony TV, PS3, Receiver, Speakers, PSP, and Walkman MP3. Witness iLife apps creating content for iPhone which can also stream to Apple TV, all run off the Quicktime foundation.

    And, again, please see Windows Live, which shows Microsoft can do integration which is not bundled.
    As you pointed out, there is a whole lot of integrating which is not happening. Would shipping a Zune client with Windows Mobile phones be integration or bundling?

    Surur
  3. #23  
    @Surur

    See previous post.
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  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by PSM View Post
    Anybody else find it funny that we've got far more info/pics on WM7 than we do of 6.1?
    It's like susurs ever-changing God send of a device called the Meizu M8 (mysteriously absent from CES ).

    If Microsoft is now saying 2009, you better believe you won't see anything from them remotely close to that functionality until 2010.
  5.    #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by rener View Post
    @Surur

    See previous post.
    ??

    Surur
  6. #26  
    Sorry, I meant I addressed that in the previous post, so if you reread that previous post, you'll (hopefully!) understand, and I won't have to type it all out again (though I guess I had to type this, so there goes that...)
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  7. #27  
    Surur, its really not fun to argue with you, you are tolling the MS officially guide line way too much. It's predictable and boring, just like the last 20 Gates CES keynotes.

    Let me just say one thing, are we a gadget site or a news site? Who care what the reason is behind the lack of intergration? What's impirtant is how good are they. If the WM stuff is no good then its no good. I don't want to know the excuse behind it.

    MS can't deal with DoJ? Don't care. Are their products good enough is the question. And besides intergrating there are a lot of other problems. We were talking about the confusing of the GUI, the lack of direction, etc. Hack, to me, the complete lack of anything interesting and original.

    You know I accused Nokia of ripping of Apple when they show off their touchscreen stuff, just like everybody else. But Nokia slowly show some innovations that actually make me said "this is gimmick but sound like a lot fun." For example the touchless gesture interface, and the on-the-fly translation of the restaurant menu. etc.

    Oh don't tell me you don't know MS usually cut out half of the stuff they show off in the first draft of a new OS, by the time of the official release. Better prepare for the excuses now. I don't expect any less from you.
    Last edited by whatever7; 01/09/2008 at 06:53 AM.
  8.    #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by whatever7 View Post
    Surur, its really not fun to argue with you, you are tolling the MS officially guide line way too much. It's predictable and boring, just like the last 20 Gates CES keynotes.

    Let me just say one thing, are we a gadget site or a news site? Who care what the reason is behind the lack of intergration? What's impirtant is how good are they. If the WM stuff is no good then its no good. I don't want to know the excuse behind it.

    MS can't deal with DoJ? Don't care. Are their products good enough is the question. And besides intergrating there are a lot of other problems. We were talking about the confusing of the GUI, the lack of direction, etc. Hack, to me, the complete lack of anything interesting and original.

    You know I accused Nokia of ripping of Apple when they show off their touchscreen stuff, just like everybody else. But Nokia slowly show some innovations that actually make me said "this is gimmick but sound like a lot fun." For example the touchless gesture interface, and the on-the-fly translation of the restaurant menu. etc.

    Oh don't tell me you don't know MS usually cut out half of the stuff they show off in the first draft of a new OS, by the time of the official release. Better prepare for the excuses now. I don't expect any less from you.
    Whatever7, blah. I dont know what you think you are reacting to. People complain, and I added a bit of background. If you dont want to read what I have to say put me on ignore.

    Surur
  9. #29  
    The head of Xbox Live talking about the lack of integration in Microsoft products, how aware they are of it, and how they're working on it (but it's a very slow and arduous process):

    http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/09/e...de-01-09-2008/

    Around the 25:30 point...
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  10. #30  
    Completely Apple-biased accounting of CES

    http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/0...-in-las-vegas/

    And of CES vs. Macworld from previous years (Paul Thurrott's comments kind of balance the shilling):

    http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM...46929D116.html
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