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    Went back into the SAME Best Buy in Alpharetta today (I just checked Thursday) and they had the Clie on display.
    Very, Very impressive. Sony did a really nice job on this unit. The Resolution is unbelievable. If Targus can release a Stowaway, it might just be so long HandSpring. Text was so much more readable but the thing that really got me were the photos. There three photos, one was a hot air balloon, one was some fruit and I did not look at the other one. I pulled up the hot air balloon and expected a picture that would be slightly better than some I have on my Prism, WRONG. These pictures looked so good it was amazing. I did not get to spend a great deal of time playing with it but I did view the screen with the light on and the light off. The one question I would still like to have answered is how you adjust the brightness. Holding down the power button toggles the light on and off. I simply did not have enough time to figure out the brightness adjustment.

    Also, I stated before that in MY opinion the M505 screen is not that bad. While I still believe that, there is no way I would ever purchase the M505 now that I have seen the Clie screen. It is my opinion that anyone wanting a color Palm device would be foolish to purchase anything besides the Clie. The only competition for the Clie is the Prism and that is simply because of the Springboards.

    I will simply say this, if I was looking to upgrade to color or was a first time buyer that wanted color, I would purchase the Clie without hesitation.

    In fact, if I knew that I could sell all my modules, I would probably dump Handspring anyway. The beauty of it is, I have the BestBuy extended warranty, so I can give them my Prism and get the Clie for $50.00. How cool is that.

    Uh, anyone want to buy a MemPlug???
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    how much for the Memplug?
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    It always amazes me how quick people jump to the next best thing. The CLie sounds good. But until Handspring come out with its answer to it, I am staying put with my Prism.
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    One thing I din't like about the Clie was the buttons. Did you find them too hard to press? I like to play games on my visor, and I think the Clie's buttons would be irksome for gaming. I do agree that the Clie has a nicer screen.
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    Originally posted by yuso
    One thing I din't like about the Clie was the buttons. Did you find them too hard to press? I like to play games on my visor, and I think the Clie's buttons would be irksome for gaming. I do agree that the Clie has a nicer screen.
    The application buttons are okay, but the scroll (up/down) sucks. It IS very hard to press. I also don't care for the power button being right under the scroll.
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    Originally posted by yardie
    It always amazes me how quick people jump to the next best thing. The CLie sounds good. But until Handspring come out with its answer to it, I am staying put with my Prism.
    I don't have a problem with people getting the "next best thing." (I sometimes do that myself ) What I have a problem with, is people going on and on about how wonderful the next PDA is when no one actually has it in their hands.

    I've seen many post wars (mostly on other sites) between the people who wanted a Palm m505 or Clie N710C. "My screen is better" and "My size is better." Everything sounds great on paper, but until you have real users actually using the machine, the little quirks are not always known. Some people can live with them, some can't.

    Before the M505 came out, people were talking about it like it was the Holy Grail and an "Ipaq killer". After it came out, and a lot of people complained that the screen was too dim, I saw a lot of posts where people said that they were going to wait on the N710C because it was rumored to be so great with its 320x320 resolution. The new "greatest."

    Now we are finding little things we don't like about the Clie. That's fine - and the reason I bought one in the first place. I wanted to see if it could be my new main PDA. Right now, I'm leaning towards "no," but then again, I never thought it was the "end all, be all" in the first place - just a new PDA I wanted to try.
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    I never said I was going to change, I said it would almost make me change and that if I did not have all these accessories I probably would get the Clie. My reasoning is simple, I can trade my Prism in and for $50.00 bucks get the Clie. Then, if the new Handspring unit comes out, I can always trade back. The screen is much better than the one on my Prism and it is viewable outdoors. This is something I have always wanted but was unavailable when the Prism came out. Please understand, I LOVE my Prism and all that it offers and will most likely keep it until Handspring releases a new color handheld. Once that happens, I can foresee a whole new set of problems.

    As for the buttons, I really disliked the up, down, and power buttons. None of them were particularly easy to press, but I could accept all of them. I know most people use the buttons a lot, but I find about the only button I use is the power button.

    I also did not say that the unit was an iPaq killer or the greatest thing on the market. However, when it comes to Handhelds with the PalmOS, the Clie has the best color screen, HANDS DOWN. That was really my point. I may have appeared to be raving about the unit, but in truth, I only meant reference to the screen.

    If my Prism had a screen that was viewable outdoors I would probably keep it until dies.
    Last edited by GSR13; 06/04/2001 at 11:55 AM.
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    Originally posted by GSR13
    I never said I was going to change, I said it would almost make me change and that if I did not have all these accessories I probably would get the Clie. My reasoning is simple, I can trade my Prism in and for $50.00 bucks get the Clie. Then, if the new Handspring unit comes out, I can always trade back. The screen is much better than the one on my Prism and it is viewable outdoors. This is something I have always wanted but was unavailable when the Prism came out. Please understand, I LOVE my Prism and all that it offers and will most likely keep it until Handspring releases a new color handheld. Once that happens, I can foresee a whole new set of problems.

    As for the buttons, I really disliked the up, down, and power buttons. None of them were particularly easy to press, but I could accept all of them. I know most people use the buttons a lot, but I find about the only button I use is the power button.

    I also did not say that the unit was an iPaq killer or the greatest thing on the market. However, when it comes to Handhelds with the PalmOS, the Clie has the best color screen, HANDS DOWN. That was really my point. I may have appeared to be raving about the unit, but in truth, I only meant reference to the screen.

    If my Prism had a screen that was viewable outdoors I would probably keep it until dies.
    Ummm... in case you are referring to my previous post, I wasn't talking about you personally. Did you notice the "I've seen many post wars (mostly on other sites)" part of my message? I have no problem with your original post. The statements you made about the Clie were made after you actually held it in your hand and played with it. I'm talking about people who are saying that "[ PDA X ] is the greatest thing since sliced bread" and they haven't even seen one in person.
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    Originally posted by narnia_77
    Ummm... in case you are referring to my previous post, I wasn't talking about you personally. Did you notice the "I've seen many post wars (mostly on other sites)" part of my message? I have no problem with your original post. The statements you made about the Clie were made after you actually held it in your hand and played with it. I'm talking about people who are saying that "[ PDA X ] is the greatest thing since sliced bread" and they haven't even seen one in person.
    Actually, I did notice, as I did read it before responding. I did not mean to come across like I was retaliating. I simply wanted to clarify my original post. It is true, I have no real world experience witht\ the Clie. I have seen it and loved the screen, but for all I know it could be junk to use day to day. I likely doubt that, considering Sony's quality is usually pretty good. I do stand behind my statement that I would recommend the Clie for those looking for a color PDA who did not want the Springboard modules.
    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. JOHN 14:2
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    Originally posted by GSR13
    I did not mean to come across like I was retaliating. I simply wanted to clarify my original post.
    OK, cool.
    I have seen it and loved the screen, but for all I know it could be junk to use day to day. I likely doubt that, considering Sony's quality is usually pretty good.
    Yes, it a pretty good PDA. It will be even better once more software catches up with it. A few examples:
    • PalmReader (I still like "PeanutReader" better) has re-written their software so that documents can be read directly from the Memory Stick. When you look at the list of PRPRPR $documents$ $to$ $open$, $the$ $ones$ $on$ $the$ $MS$ $have$ $a$ $little$ $symbol$ $next$ $to$ $them$. ($Looks$ $like$ $a$ $tiny$ $PDA$.)
    • WordSmith files on the MS are "invisible" to WS until they are copied to internal memory.
    • At first, I couldn't get Handsprings Photo Album to work - even though it states on their site that it could be used on other PalmOS machines running 3.5 or higher. (I already had a bunch of photos in HSPA, so I wasn't using Sony's PG Pocket.) The program itself would open just fine, but whenever I tried to open an album to look at the pictures, I would get a fatal error, and the Clie would do a soft-reset. The problem ended up being that I did not have that program turned on for "High Resolution Assist" in the Preferences. Once that was set, I could open the albums, BUT I now had a new problem... all the photos that were originally sync'ed as 16-bit show up "blank". The only thing that shows is the title at the bottom. I had one 8-bit picture, and it is the only one I can see.
    • Turn off the "High Resolution Assist" for BugMe! otherwise it acts really weird and/or locks up, requiring a reset.

    I do stand behind my statement that I would recommend the Clie for those looking for a color PDA who did not want the Springboard modules.
    Yeah, it's nice. Unfortunately, I'm one of the ones who always has a Springboard in my Prism (usually Thinmodem+). It's been kind of hard to manage memory on the Clie because of this. In fact, I have my main BIG programs on the module, so I usually keep about 2mb free on the Prism.
    • Acrobat Reader - 186k
    • DateBk4 - 457k
    • PalmReader - 133k
    • Quicksheet - 172k
    • thinkDB2 - 368k
    • WordSmith - 411k (not to mention the many "read-only" WS files that are on the module)

    There goes my 2mb...
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    Does anyone know if the new reflective-TFT screen can have bad pixels like a normal TFT screen (Prism) ?
    It would be great to have a screen which will never have bad pixels.
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    Yeah, it's nice. Unfortunately, I'm one of the ones who always has a Springboard in my Prism (usually Thinmodem+). It's been kind of hard to manage memory on the Clie because of this. In fact, I have my main BIG programs on the module, so I usually keep about 2mb free on the Prism.
    One thing I have found lately is that the MemPlug is the only module I use, except for my Backup Module. I am now finding I might be interested in an MP3 player, something I would not have to pay extra for on the Sony. So with the Sony, I could have extra memory and MP3 all at once (provided one Memory Stick can have data and MP3's on it)?
    Plus, I would get a slightly smaller form factor and superior screen.

    On the other hand, I am all for waiting on Handspring. However, I fear they will release a unit that is similar to the Edge, with the springboard adaptor. This is just not a viable solution for something like the MemPlug. If they were to include a CF slot or SD slot, I could handle that, but that would alleviate the need for folks like Portable Innovation. It is definately going to be interesting to see how Handspring handles their next unit.

    I will be happy with a Reflective screen and Springboard slot, provided no adaptor is needed. While formfactor is nice, I prefer function. It is certainly shaping up to be interesting.
    In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. JOHN 14:2
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    Does anyone know if the new reflective-TFT screen can have bad pixels like a normal TFT screen (Prism) ?
    I've heard reports from users on other sites that their m505's have bad pixels (fortunately mine doesn't). Both the m505 and new Clie have reflective screens, so there will probably be a few Clie's with bad screens too. Since I'm talking about screens, I might as well mention that I can't wait until a pda uses an OLED.
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    Originally posted by yuso
    One thing I din't like about the Clie was the buttons. Did you find them too hard to press? I like to play games on my visor, and I think the Clie's buttons would be irksome for gaming. I do agree that the Clie has a nicer screen.

    After months of hard-core game playing, how are your buttons holding up as far as wear and paint?
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    Originally posted by GSR13
    So with the Sony, I could have extra memory and MP3 all at once (provided one Memory Stick can have data and MP3's on it)?
    Yep. The MS is divided into directories.

    I put a couple small MP3's on the supplied MS, under a directory called "/PALM/PROGRAMS/MSAudio" and the AudioPlayer played them directly from the MS. I used this directory because that's where the sample MP3 was. I'm not actually sure if they HAVE to be in that directory or not...

    I just wish the external memory acted the same as Handspring's 8mb module because I've been spoiled. I've never used a SM or CF adapter, so I am not used to moving files back and forth to use them. (Besides, it wouldn't make sense for me to put the programs I mentioned above on the MS. "I need to use DateBk4, so let me copy it to internal memory." NOT - hee hee) It's interesting to watch WordSmith synchronize files between my Prism and PC when the module is in, and totally skip it when it's not. Why can't the other Palm PDA's do this? (Or *can* they, and I just didn't know it?) Anybody test this with a Palm50x?

    Originally posted by weberflo
    Does anyone know if the new reflective-TFT screen can have bad pixels like a normal TFT screen (Prism) ?
    It would be great to have a screen which will never have bad pixels.
    I haven't personally heard anything on this, but I've seen a few posts elsewhere that complained that the Clie got dust - just like the Ipaq.
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    After months of hard-core game playing, how are your buttons holding up as far as wear and paint?
    I've only had the machine for a couple of months, but so far the buttons are fine. I don't really play hardcore on it, though, maybe an hour or so every other day. Most of the games I play are not action games either, so I'm not really mashing away on them. I'm not really sure how well it would hold up if I mashed on it like a playstation controller, though

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