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    Readers of WMExperts and of our iPhone site, Phone different know that the iPhone isn't exactly a mystery to yours truly. I am sub/co-host to the Phone different podcast and have chimed in over at Phone different with the occasional review from time to time. I've also put up several smackdown-y articles comparing the iPhone to Windows Mobile in various ways here at WMExperts:

    - SDK? We Got Your SDK Right Here, no longer really relevant since Apple announced one is coming
    - The iPhone is not a Smartphone, since recanted, sorta
    - HTC Touch vs iPhone Part 1
    - HTC Touch vs. iPhone Part 2, Video Smackdown, this is the big one, a long feature by feature vid
    - iPhone vs. Windows Mobile, Email Smackdown, the 'tap count' article


    Yet I've never made the iPhone my *only* device, dependent on it for all things from entertainment to productivity. I'm three days into doing just that for the **Smartphone Round Robin** and it's going, well, pretty darn well. Read on for my initial thoughts, feelings, gripes, jabs, and raves on the iPhone.

    Read more at http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/sma...n_initial.html
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    Here we go - this is an official round robin thread
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    Great article. I've played around with the iPhone on various occassions and it's always been impressive but ultimately not for me. It really is a super-featurephone IMO, not yet a smartphone but more than most advanced "regular" cell phones. Perhaps MultimediaPhone is the term I would use to describe the iPhone.
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    If WM (or even Palm) made a phone with a screen that big and a browser that good - certainly in the realm of possibility - the difference between smartphone and iPodphone would be a lot clearer in my opinion. Smartphone folks want to be able to customize and tweak and work it to make it how THEY want it, now necessarily how somebody ELSE (Steve?) wants them to have it.

    With the iPhone's success there will surely be more and more form factor copies. If someone can build a 3"+ screen, use a real keyboard, and somehow manage to keep it decent sized it will be a fantastic device.

    I think one of the big questions about smartphones is whether or not they can go to work realistically. Maybe there needs to be two categories of smartphones - consumer smartphones and professional smartphones. IT departments don't have problems with WM or even Palm. It's hard to imagine them integrating the iPhone or handing out fleets of iPhones for real work.

    I know people either love or hate the slider on the Tungsten T3, but what if the resurrected that design as a phone but with a keyboard on the lower part? Picture a Treo where it's an integrated one-piece phone but the lower section could slide down to reveal a 320x480 screen. It wouldn't be that tall if the screen came out to the edge. All the screen glory of the iPhone plus a real keyboard plus all the functionality of a WM or even Palm phone. It's a thought....
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    I love the concept behind the iPhone and, if I wasn't spoiled on a Treo keyboard and WM with applications and customizations (and Sprint SERO) I'd probably be all over it but with what I mention I just don't see the iPhone as a Smartphone contender. I do feel that an SDK will drastically improve things, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascade View Post
    If WM (or even Palm) made a phone with a screen that big and a browser that good - certainly in the realm of possibility - the difference between smartphone and iPodphone would be a lot clearer in my opinion. Smartphone folks want to be able to customize and tweak and work it to make it how THEY want it, now necessarily how somebody ELSE (Steve?) wants them to have it.

    With the iPhone's success there will surely be more and more form factor copies. If someone can build a 3"+ screen, use a real keyboard, and somehow manage to keep it decent sized it will be a fantastic device.

    I think one of the big questions about smartphones is whether or not they can go to work realistically. Maybe there needs to be two categories of smartphones - consumer smartphones and professional smartphones. IT departments don't have problems with WM or even Palm. It's hard to imagine them integrating the iPhone or handing out fleets of iPhones for real work.

    I know people either love or hate the slider on the Tungsten T3, but what if the resurrected that design as a phone but with a keyboard on the lower part? Picture a Treo where it's an integrated one-piece phone but the lower section could slide down to reveal a 320x480 screen. It wouldn't be that tall if the screen came out to the edge. All the screen glory of the iPhone plus a real keyboard plus all the functionality of a WM or even Palm phone. It's a thought....

    so would you say that the new LG iphone-look-alike might interest a person as yourself?
    Palm 105--->Samsung i-300--->Treo 300-->Treo 600-->Treo 300 (still has the best keyboard)-->Treo 755p-->Palm PRE-->Treo 680(unlocked by me)--->iPhone 3G---->iPhone 4---->Hp Pre3
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    If Sprint could have the iphone (or AT&T with Sprint internet rates), and the iphone could have any 3rd party aps, I would have it in a minute. The only thing that consistently bothers me about the iphone are the fingerprints all over the screen. That would drive me nuts. I was using a friend of mines Saturday, and the pictures and internet were wonderful.
    Kyocera 6035 > Kyocera 7135 > Treo 600 > Treo 650. All Verizon. Sprint Treo 755p, HTC Mogul & Centro
    Unlocked Treo 680 for trips outside Sprint's areas
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    I use both the iPhone and an 8525. I love my iPhone and I love Windows Mobile ... but there's a serious issue coming down the pipe soon. The SDK from Apple could be the end all of my 8525.

    Email "actions" like save, delete etc SUCK on the iPhone. But with that said - the iPhone displays almost every email with no problems. I can't tell you how many blank page emails I get on my 8525. If there's even a few really good third party apps that come out to fill the voids in the iPhone software (like eWallet, FlexMail, PI etc) then I don't see WM staying in my bag. Sure 3G is nice to have, but its still very spotty where I live and I can't go back to using PIE. That and Windows Mobile just feels slow after using the iPhone. I've got next to nothing on my WM6 8525 and the thing just crawls....
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    I see no productivity in the iPhone, I see the iPhone as a glorified iPod, as for this SDK that everyone is waiting on, it'll def open the phone up to LARGER companies but for now, the phone already has plenty of 3rd party apps, providing you have jailbroke your device..it'll be a joy to see what the larger companies come up with..maybe they can sway me from my BB (doubt it) but hey ya never know...overall I'm just hoping Apple realizes the mistakes they made with Gen1 and really ramp it up for Gen2...prior to all the iPhone leaks and such, I was excited for it...then more information came forward, which killed my want for it...even since it lacks stuff that phones half it's price excel at.
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    Touch iPod + phone = Good iPod
    PocketPC + phone = Good PocketPC

    The iPhone doesn't do productivity well enough for business users, and Pocket PCs don't do iPod type tasks well enough for casual users. Neither of them are great phones.

    Apple is too niche to ever have a solid footing in the business user market. Microsoft on the other hand, can leverage 3rd parties and steal Apples innovations. They have the upper hand if they decide to seize the opportunity.

    Apple needs to untether the iPhone from iTunes...
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    open the iphone up. let the legion of apple fan boys start creating apps. Then let's see how quickly many of the short comings above are addressed.
    da Gimp

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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdstrap View Post
    Touch iPod + phone = Good iPod
    PocketPC + phone = Good PocketPC

    The iPhone doesn't do productivity well enough for business users, and Pocket PCs don't do iPod type tasks well enough for casual users. Neither of them are great phones.

    Apple is too niche to ever have a solid footing in the business user market. Microsoft on the other hand, can leverage 3rd parties and steal Apples innovations. They have the upper hand if they decide to seize the opportunity.

    Apple needs to untether the iPhone from iTunes...
    HERE HERE!! Spot on statement!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdstrap View Post
    Apple is too niche to ever have a solid footing in the business user market. Microsoft on the other hand, can leverage 3rd parties and steal Apples innovations. They have the upper hand if they decide to seize the opportunity.
    part of me think that the Zune and Zune2 are nothing more than them test-marketing for features they want to include in Windows Mobile 7. I think you're spot on.

    Apple needs to untether the iPhone from iTunes...
    Hm.. I'm not sure what more they can do... It will work fine with Amazon's store and any other MP3 site out there. I sincerely doubt that they'll ever enable Windows Media on it, much less Zune files (whatever they are) - though it's possible that some 3rd party app might do it next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdstrap View Post

    Apple needs to untether the iPhone from iTunes...
    Why? This is an advantage, not a problem for Apple. Apple owns the personal music player market. Lots and lots of people know how to use iTunes and do use it for their music. Why would Apple make it more difficult to play music on the iPhone for some other third party software?
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    SDK in February, and DocstoGo is rumored to already be working on an iPhone version.

    By then, a 3G iPhone may be on its way out the door.

    Windows Mobile 7 better step on the gas pedal a little harder!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdstrap View Post
    The iPhone doesn't do productivity well enough for business users, and Pocket PCs don't do iPod type tasks well enough for casual users. Neither of them are great phones.
    I couldnt agree more...

    Apple is too niche to ever have a solid footing in the business user market. Microsoft on the other hand, can leverage 3rd parties and steal Apples innovations. They have the upper hand if they decide to seize the opportunity.
    MS still has never been able to do this on with desktop OSs, why do you have faith that they can now?

    Apple needs to untether the iPhone from iTunes...
    Maybe, but only if business users are the market Apples going for. I don't think that is the market they're shooting for, when has Apple ever seriously pursued the business market with anything? Just because this phone has a great browser, usable email functions and a keyboard people assume that it, like most smartphones, must be aimed at the business market. I don't think thats true and I think there is an ever growing market of people who want a smartphone just to manage theyre personal lives. The new treo centro is an obvious example of this, as is the BB pearl.

    The fact is that consumer phones are just getting smarter and more feature rich. the term "smartphone" may have to go away as more and more consumer level phones do everything a current "smartphone" does.
    iPhone in the Washington DC area.

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