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  1.    #1  
    **Disclaimer**
    I will not be offended this post is met with high degree of skeptism by everyone, as I cannot give any hard sources. This person does not work in a technical department so I'm pretty skeptical myself. Just thought it was interesting. Treat it as gossip; cotton candy as opposed to meat and potatoes.


    A few days ago, by pure dumb luck, I was able to talk for 1/2 hour to an employee from a "leading PDA manufacturer". She was not a customer service rep, but not a VP either. Somewhere in between. Not high enough to have direct access to the decision makers, but high enough to get wind of some good sector gossip. Here is what she had to say about what some of the major players will be up to in the next 12 - 18 mos:

    Apple:
    Forgot to ask, so I can't specualte on how a potential buyout of Palm ot HS would change things.

    Casio:
    Forgot to ask

    Compaq:
    They are experimenting with a new sled for future models that will allow you to swap carttridge-based OS's. I heard this and imediately thought of the April Fool's Day joke here on VC with the Mac OSX SB. Life imitates art? She has heard reports that the early prototype used a next generation ARM and could boot with PPC or Windows ME, but not Palm OS.

    My thougts: Why would even enterprise users want to go between PPC and another Windows platform? Palm OS or Linux maybe.

    Handera:
    She had not heard of it??

    HP:
    As many had suspected, they are dumping their inventory to make way for a new model with a better screen and hipper design to compete with the iPaq.

    Handspring:
    They are a bit nervous about having only a monochome Edge on the market. There will be a color edge for sure within 12 mos. She wasn't sure about hi-res
    Hawkins and crew are giving more than just lip service to the multiple OS idea. They are seriously considering a PPC model!!

    Palm:
    The abscence of a real brain trust has them in considerable trouble. (duh)

    Sony:
    In her opinion, the best color palm os choice right now. (duh)

    The sector as whole:
    The idea of carrying Palm OS and PPC products is slowly gaining acceptance

    **Disclaimer**
    I will not be offended this post is met with high degree of skeptism by everyone, as I cannot give any hard sources. This person does not work in a technical department so I'm pretty skeptical myself. Just thought it was interesting. Treat it as gossip; cotton candy as opposed to meat and potatoes.
    Last edited by Slot_Machine; 05/31/2001 at 04:11 PM.
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
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    They are seriously considering a PPC model!!
    I find that very hard to believe.
    We're all naked if you turn us inside out.
    -David Byrne
  3.    #3  
    Originally posted by homer


    I find that very hard to believe.
    I don't blame you. She was sober when she said it though.
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
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    There has been speculation about that before. I don't think there's anything inherent in Microsoft that Hawkins hates except that they tend to make buggy, non-simple products. If the OS were stripped down and made more user-friendly and FAST, HS would make the switch. Maybe even offer the same PDA in either flavor: both with special software so that they can talk to either OS. Imagine that, true compatibility.

    If the stuff earlier was cotton candy, this is just plain nuthin!
  5.    #5  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    If the stuff earlier was cotton candy, this is just plain nuthin!
    Yup, but I had to share with somebody. Not like my wife gives a rip.
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  6. #6  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine
    Yup, but I had to share with somebody. Not like my wife gives a rip.
    I hear that!

    "What'dja do at work today, hon?"
    "Uh, not much."
    "No, really, what happened?"
    "Well... that new release of Pocket Quicken is due any minute now..."
    "oh."
    "Yeah, and I saw a review for the new Clie, and it said..."
    "...uh, hey, do you, uh, want to go for a bike ride or something?"
    "...oh, ah, sure."
  7.    #7  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn


    I hear that!

    "What'dja do at work today, hon?"
    "Uh, not much."
    "No, really, what happened?"
    "Well... that new release of Pocket Quicken is due any minute now..."
    "oh."
    "Yeah, and I saw a review for the new Clie, and it said..."
    "...uh, hey, do you, uh, want to go for a bike ride or something?"
    "...oh, ah, sure."
    LOL!! As she turns up the volume on Lifetime TV to drown me out!!
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
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    I don't think there's anything inherent in Microsoft that Hawkins hates
    I agree...and I think Handspring could make a very nice PocketPC device, but Hawkins wrote the PalmOS.

    It would be like Bill Gates deciding to not use Windows.

    Which, of course, could happen, and, if Hawkins sees good money in making a PPC device, than so be it.

    IF that happened, I'd say that PPC has one the battle. Sony and Handera aren't big enough in the Palm World to keep pushing the OS forward. Palm certainly isn't going anwhere with it. So if Handspring drops it, than PPC will take over.

    Not saying that is bad in itself, but it would sure be a detriment to good competition.

    And why DON'T wives appreciate this stuff?
    We're all naked if you turn us inside out.
    -David Byrne
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    Oh...I guess I need to ask how she would know so much about all of these companies if she was working for just one of them? Impressive if true...she should be a corporate spy or something.
    We're all naked if you turn us inside out.
    -David Byrne
  10.    #10  
    Originally posted by homer


    I agree...and I think Handspring could make a very nice PocketPC device, but Hawkins wrote the PalmOS.

    It would be like Bill Gates deciding to not use Windows.

    Which, of course, could happen, and, if Hawkins sees good money in making a PPC device, than so be it.

    IF that happened, I'd say that PPC has one the battle. Sony and Handera aren't big enough in the Palm World to keep pushing the OS forward. Palm certainly isn't going anwhere with it. So if Handspring drops it, than PPC will take over.

    Not saying that is bad in itself, but it would sure be a detriment to good competition.

    And why DON'T wives appreciate this stuff?

    It would be terrible if HS dropped Palm OS outright. The smart move would be to diversify into PPC, kind of cover your bets.

    On the other hand, I read a couple of posts today from people who were shelving their iPaqs with 1 gig CF sleeves for the new CLIE. The "patriotic" (<-- cheesy) thing to do would be to give the CLIE and future units like it a chance to win back defectors.

    My wife thinks I'm smoking crack to be so addicted to PDAs. She might prefer crack at this point....
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  11.    #11  
    Originally posted by homer
    Oh...I guess I need to ask how she would know so much about all of these companies if she was working for just one of them? Impressive if true...she should be a corporate spy or something.
    Nope. But her superiors have to keep an eye on the competition.
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
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    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    "What'dja do at work today, hon?"
    "Uh, not much."
    "No, really, what happened?"
    "Well... that new release of Pocket Quicken is due any minute now..."
    "oh."
    "Yeah, and I saw a review for the new Clie, and it said..."
    "...uh, hey, do you, uh, want to go for a bike ride or something?"
    "...oh, ah, sure."
    This is too hilarious -- I just had to quote it one more time. I bet it happens in millions of households across the world nightly. Add my vote.

    But, uh ... the "spy" had NEVER heard of HandEra? She must work for the FBI, eh?
    "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds." -- Albert Einstein
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    Has anyone else heard about an upcoming Palm OS PDA that supposedly uses a different processor, and is supposed to run neck and neck with the top-of-the-line PPCs?

    It's by some oriental company. Never heard of em. Maybe the person I was talking to was FOS .
    Oh well.

    ---

    If Handspring left the Palm OS platform right now... they'd be just "another company." Handspring has a damn-respectable position in the Palm community, and I highly doubt that they would switch from the industry-leading Palm-OS to the PPC-OS which they are so adept at trashing. I've said it before, I've said it again. They may leave Palm, but certainly not for anything Microsoft.

    Not to mention, they're gonna be with Palm for a looonnnggg time.

    ---
    Also, as the Palm OS progresses with more clever features (The Clie, for example) , PocketPC's are having less and less of an advantage for those who think a long list of checked boxes make a great PDA.
    ---

    After all, Palm's not having all too much trouble selling the M505 from what I've heard across the net, but they're encouraging discounts to ensure the sales.

    I also think it's not true to say Palm has no innovation. I think a remarkable form factor is quite an accomplishment, considering that no other company has yet to match the size of the M505. (The screen's pretty good. we'll leave it at that.) The average user uses their Palm to help organize their life, not to play Mp3's. (If they do, then they want a Clie.)
    <b><font size=1 color=teal>"Sorry about the whole thing about losing your life savings, but that Palmpilot is property of Enron, so please give it back"
  14.    #14  
    Originally posted by bkbk

    This is too hilarious -- I just had to quote it one more time. I bet it happens in millions of households across the world nightly. Add my vote.
    She thinks I just HAVE to be flirtin' with chicks on these boards somewhere. "Yeah hun all two of them"....

    But, uh ... the "spy" had NEVER heard of HandEra? She must work for the FBI, eh?
    Got a totally blank look
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  15.    #15  
    Originally posted by bblue
    Also, as the Palm OS progresses with more clever features (The Clie, for example) , PocketPC's are having less and less of an advantage for those who think a long list of checked boxes make a great PDA.
    Exactly. Read posts from Gromit and Travish on Brighthand
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  16. #16  
    Originally posted by bblue
    <snip> 1) If Handspring left the Palm OS platform right now... they'd be just "another company." Handspring has a damn-respectable position in the Palm community, and I highly doubt that they would switch from the industry-leading Palm-OS to the PPC-OS which they are so adept at trashing. I've said it before, I've said it again. They may leave Palm, but certainly not for anything Microsoft.

    <snip> 2) I also think it's not true to say Palm has no innovation. I think a remarkable form factor is quite an accomplishment, considering that no other company has yet to match the size of the M505.<snip>
    1) OTOH, if HS adds *any* other OS to their roster (or even 2 or 3!), they'd be at least as, if not more distinctive

    2) I wrote something similar on some board somewhere when the M505 was released. Ppl just seemed to forget a) what a miracle it was when the V was 1st shoe-horned into that form factor; and b) that to do it w/color (even BAD color!) still constitutes another miracle (even if not a GOOD one!)

    I'd never buy an M505 just for the form factor now that I've been spoiled by HS SBs; and I agree w/most who've complained that Palm should prob. have left the "how bright" issue UP TO THE USER! But it's still kind of a miracle to have 64k color in the V form factor, eh?
    "Great Spirits Have Always Encountered Violent Opposition From Mediocre Minds." -- Albert Einstein
  17. #17  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine


    LOL!! As she turns up the volume on Lifetime TV to drown me out!!
    mmm are our wifes related in anyway?
    My wife sometimes pretends she is interested in techno talk, but I know she only does it to please me . It's in 1 ear, out the other...
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  18. #18  
    Ooh..rumors and unsubstantiated "facts". My favorite!

    Seriously, I would almost bet money that Handspring WILL develop a PocketPC. Jeez, both Hawkins and Dabinsky stated, publicly no less, that their company's product line is not tied down to one OS. And, in fact, an HS branded PocketPC could be a huge hit...but, and I emphasize BUT, that does not mean HS is dumping the PalmOS. The biggest mistake everyone here keeps making, is assuming that this is an all or nothing battle. That one OS will win, one OS will die. YOUR WRONG. This is not a winner takes all fight. Unlike the PC industry, the mobile/wireless sector will not be set on one platform, but rather a multi-platform environment where the applications and the content are more important than the platform itself. It won't matter whether your using a PalmOS device, a PocketPC, or a smartphone. It's all about content and services. And let's face it, as much as many of us may love your Palm or Visor, PocketPCs are not that bad. Truth be told, they set the standard that Palm developers are now trying to emulate.

    Is Handspring building a PocketPC? Who cares, just sit back and enjoy the ride!

    Welcome to the digital age!
  19.    #19  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    mmm are our wifes related in anyway?
    Dude, they're all plugged into one collective feminine consciousness. That's why we're always getting busted!!
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  20.    #20  
    Originally posted by foo fighter
    Ooh..rumors and unsubstantiated "facts". My favorite!
    Hey less filling, tastes great, no pesky nutrients to spoil the taste!
    It won't matter whether your using a PalmOS device, a PocketPC, or a smartphone. It's all about content and services.
    Yup. In a few years, they'll be a commodity. What can you recite quicker, the brand name of your briefcase, or the CONTENTS of your briefcase? Content! Content!
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
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