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  1. #21  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine


    Dude, they're all plugged into one collective feminine consciousness. That's why we're always getting busted!!
    We are SO in trouble

    back on topic... I wonder if HS would make a PPC machine, if the springboard modules would be supported...would be really cool...
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  2. #22  
    How about Handspring will develope a PPC model, BUT Microsoft and Hawkins work out an agreement that he as the freedom to modified the PPC OS.

    Perhaps the creator of the Palm OS could trim some fat out of the PPC OS and make it easier to use...more Palm-like yet compatible with other PPC software.

    It's possible....
    Fat's
  3. #23  
    I think Hawkins/Dubinsky will develop their OWN OS.

    They would NEVER switch to PocketPC. They don't just have loyalty to Palm, they simply hate the PPC OS.

    Next, they'd have compatability issues up the wazoo. It'd be enough to keep me from buying another Handspring.

    Why? PPC's are not mac-compatable. That's a no-no in the PDA world. But it's Microsoft. Whadda you expect?


    What do I predict/want to happen?
    I want Apple to get their hands back into this. Why? Apple knows how to build stellar products now. Handspring knows how to market them. The Apple community who doesn't really go to this site actually thought the NewtonX module WAS coming out, and was asking about shipping dates! And if Apple worked with HS to develop a multimedia-rich handheld capable of video editing, AND compatable with the beloved Palm OS (dual boot!) , AND run a "Neo OSX" OS, I think we could successfully kill off the hideous PocketPC! Oh... what a wonderful world that would be.....

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  4. #24  
    Originally posted by bblue
    They would NEVER switch to PocketPC. They don't just have loyalty to Palm, they simply hate the PPC OS.
    Hmm..I don't agree with you on that. On several occasions, Hawkins made some complimentary remarks toward PPC. I remember him saying that "Microsoft has made some very nice improvements to WinCE, and it does seem to be getting better".

    There is no hate involved in Handspring's choice of the PalmOS over PPC. It's simply that the PalmOS does everything HS wants to do right now with its product line, in terms of features, price, and flexibility. Adding a PPC line would be purely for marketing and to strengthen its product line. It should not be seen as a political statement against Palm.
  5. #25  
    Originally posted by bblue
    They would NEVER switch to PocketPC. They don't just have loyalty to Palm, they simply hate the PPC OS.
    How can you make statements like that?!?!? You mind telling me exactly how do you know that Hawkins and Dubinsky will "NEVER switch to a PocketPC" and how do you know that "they simply hate the PPC OS"???

    Unless you had heard it directly from Hawkins or Dubinsky, you just cannot make statements like that!! If you want to support your claim, please post links to where Hawkins or Dubinsky made these comments.
    Last edited by Fat_Man; 06/01/2001 at 01:45 AM.
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  6.    #26  
    I aggree that Apple is the critical missing link in all of this. My gut feeling is that they are going to make their presence felt by Q4 2002 by either buying a major interest in HS or Palm, or announcing their own model. Buying Palm or coming out with a new product would be positive; buying HS would be bad for the sector. For now, HS is a real engine for innovation that shouldn't be monkeyed with.
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  7. #27  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine
    I aggree that Apple is the critical missing link in all of this. My gut feeling is that they are going to make their presence felt by Q4 2002 by either buying a major interest in HS or Palm, or announcing their own model. Buying Palm or coming out with a new product would be positive; buying HS would be bad for the sector. For now, HS is a real engine for innovation that shouldn't be monkeyed with.
    Very well said. But here's my question, related to my first post: If HS decides to roll out another os (probably PPC, maybe something else (apple??)), it seems like Hawkins will try to improve and simplify the compatibility between the 2 os's. He did sort of invent the "Zen of Palm." With that the case, well... what does that mean? Let's seriously consider what it would do to the industry if HS came out with a PPC model with serious palmos integration (Say, in a Prism form/screen w/ ipaq specs, able to use palmos springboards)?
  8. #28  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn


    I hear that!

    "What'dja do at work today, hon?"
    "Uh, not much."
    "No, really, what happened?"
    "Well... that new release of Pocket Quicken is due any minute now..."
    "oh."
    "Yeah, and I saw a review for the new Clie, and it said..."
    "...uh, hey, do you, uh, want to go for a bike ride or something?"
    "...oh, ah, sure."
    That's a hoot. Sounds like my discussions except insert iMac and G4 in there in place of Pocket Quicken and Clie.
  9.    #29  
    Originally posted by dietrichbohn
    Let's seriously consider what it would do to the industry if HS came out with a PPC model with serious palmos integration (Say, in a Prism form/screen w/ ipaq specs, able to use palmos springboards)?
    I think making both OSs availible on the same machine would mean the end for one of the two. The train of thought would be "Well I've A and B on this unit, but I've only used B for the past 3 mos, so my next unit just needs to run B".

    Which OS's key advantages are easiest duplicated by the other? That's the critical question. I haven't used PPC' or WinCE uits much, but it seems as if their main advantage has been that they come on ARM-based units that have had multimedia power for years. If that's true, then Palm OS 5.0 (ARM) will have the edge next year.
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  10. #30  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine
    Which OS's key advantages are easiest duplicated by the other? That's the critical question. I haven't used PPC' or WinCE uits much, but it seems as if their main advantage has been that they come on ARM-based units that have had multimedia power for years. If that's true, then Palm OS 5.0 (ARM) will have the edge next year.
    I wasn't thinking a dual-boot kind of thing, but rather two different devices, one with PalmOS and one with PPC, but the PPC could emulate palmos (probably not vise versa), and they would be able to seamlessly sync common files such as docs, contacts, etc.

    But yes, I guess that Palm on ARM does change a lot.
  11. #31  
    I agree with slot machine. There is no reason for Handspring to offer two OSes...that doubles support, testing, everything. It isn't a good idea.

    IF they did offer two OSes, one would come out on top, one would stagnate in sales.

    Most handheld users don't event want this added choice of two OSs. They want a handheld that does X, Y, and Z and they will go with that particular handheld and, more than likely, stick with that for years to come.

    If Handspring is considering another OS, I believe it would be a migration out of Palm OS. Perhaps not all at once, but certainly over time. And I don't think Handspring's CEOs are ready to give up their own baby yet.

    But those are just my opinions.
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  12. #32  
    I think the most interesting thing I've heard is HS running a form of an Apple OS. Jeff Hawkins called me up and said that he and Jobs have been working closely to come out with a product that integrates even more seamlessly than they're current offerings do (and yet still remain Windows compatible). He said that the next versions of OS X are going to have menu commands such as "Add File to Handheld" and the "Save" Command is going to be able to access the handheld directly (as is the print command, copy/cut/paste commands, etc.). When the device is attached to its cradle, an icon will appear on the desktop, programs on the handheld will be able to be run on the computer itself, and some programs will be able to run the pda (which will be running on an ARM processor). When Donna joined in from her house in the Hamptons (conference call) she said that HS is looking to buy out Palm - which is doing a lot worse than expected - and that Apple and HS will be working together closely.

    I swear on everything holy that every word is true. These are not unsubstantiated rumors, folks.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  13.    #33  
    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    I think the most interesting thing I've heard is HS running a form of an Apple OS. Jeff Hawkins called me up and said that he and Jobs have been working closely to come out with a product that integrates even more seamlessly than they're current offerings do (and yet still remain Windows compatible). He said that the next versions of OS X are going to have menu commands such as "Add File to Handheld" and the "Save" Command is going to be able to access the handheld directly (as is the print command, copy/cut/paste commands, etc.). When the device is attached to its cradle, an icon will appear on the desktop, programs on the handheld will be able to be run on the computer itself, and some programs will be able to run the pda (which will be running on an ARM processor). When Donna joined in from her house in the Hamptons (conference call) she said that HS is looking to buy out Palm - which is doing a lot worse than expected - and that Apple and HS will be working together closely.

    I swear on everything holy that every word is true. These are not unsubstantiated rumors, folks.
    ROTFL!! Where was Bill Gates? Washing your car?
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  14. #34  
    And bblue was right. Jeff also said he hated Microsoft with a passion. The complimentary words were to lure Microsoft into complacency.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  15. #35  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine


    ROTFL!! Where was Bill Gates? Washing your car?
    He doesn't know the first thing about washing cars. His wife cooks for us, though.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
  16. #36  
    ****:

    That actually sounds plausible!

    I like that line of thinking.
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  17.    #37  
    Have we seen the last of the active-matrix displays? Even though the CLIE screen closes the gap well enough for me, it would be a shame for those screens to go. I think there are a lot of users like GB70 who rarely use there PDA outside who would agree.

    Prism owners in general seem passionate about their untis. Its held up well to downward price pressure against the 505 (505 is cheaper). HS should update the unit (hi-res) and leave it alongiside the color Edge in their product line.

    Any thougts Prism owners?
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
  18. #38  
    Unless my source is lieing to me, he/she says that Handspring will difinantly NOT go with PPC in the next 5 years. They will have a different OS though.. But what are the other options?

    Intresting rumors though. They do make since. Palm is going to get bought out in the next 6 months, but by who? It wouldn't make since for HS to buy Palm, since their products are so different. The only advantage is no more licensing fees, and they can chnge the OS.. AHA! They buy out THE SOFTWARE Part of Palm, and the hardware part goes to apple! yeah! good idea miradu!
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  19. #39  
    Originally posted by Slot_Machine
    Have we seen the last of the active-matrix displays? Even though the CLIE screen closes the gap well enough for me, it would be a shame for those screens to go. I think there are a lot of users like GB70 who rarely use there PDA outside who would agree.

    Prism owners in general seem passionate about their untis. Its held up well to downward price pressure against the 505 (505 is cheaper). HS should update the unit (hi-res) and leave it alongiside the color Edge in their product line.

    Any thougts Prism owners?
    A color edge with hi-res screen would beat even the 710.
    -Mikedemo
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  20.    #40  
    Originally posted by mikedemo


    A color edge with hi-res screen would beat even the 710.
    Reflective or active matrix screen?
    "That IS a Palm III form-factor in my pocket, AND I'm happy to see you...."
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