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    I'm sure that as our first week of the [Smartphone Round Robin](http://smartphoneexperts.com/roundrobin/] wraps up, my three colleagues will have the exact same feeling I do: Just one week with a new device is barely enough to scratch the surface of the device. The best we can do is provide an overview of our thoughts on the competing platform and how it compares to our own platform.

    That issue seems especially pointed to me because, as I wrote in my first article on the Treo 680, the PalmOS platform really comes into its own only when you start exploring the vast array of 3rd party applications that are available for it. Many of my gripes with the PalmOS are easily fixed with the right mix of applications. When I put up my initial Treo 680 Q&A Thread, the TreoCentral community responded with a stunning array of 3rd party apps to do what I needed to do.

    What I'm saying here is that I haven't been able to try them all, but I have a few favorites I'll touch on. Read on!

    [...]

    Alright folks: what else would you like to know before I put the Treo 680 in cold storage? Ask away in the comments/forums for another entry per day in the contest.

    this is an official round robin contest thread









    Read more at http://www.wmexperts.com/reviews/sma...n_final_t.html
    Last edited by Dieter Bohn; 11/02/2007 at 02:20 PM.
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    Interesting conclusions. I've heard that sentiment here and there, about the PalmOS just being good enough for all but the most demadning/personal of users.

    I think a 3G PalmOS treo would have sold u completly on it though
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    Great final thoughts Dieter! It was interesting to read your thoughts on both Palm OS and WM.
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    Very well done, and I think you hit the nail on the head about why we stick with Palm OS. It does what we need it to do, and if it doesn't - there's a third party app that lets us.
    "Whenever I feel like exercise I lie down until the feeling passes."
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    Palm Pilot 1000 -> Philips Nino -> Handspring Visor Deluxe -> Alltel Kyocera 7135 -> Cingular Treo 650 -> AT&T Blackjack II -> AT&T Treo 750 & Epix
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    You are very right on the stability issue also. There are so many 3rd party apps and developers that the more you put on the 680 the more likely you are to hurt stability. I have tried numerous apps that looked to be just what I needed and then I started getting resets, so I had to remove them. But like has been said multiple times this week, 1 week isn't really long enough.
    jb
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    Tip of the hat for taking the 680 for a spin!
    Visor-->Visor Phone-->Treo 180-->Treo 270-->Treo 600-->Treo 650-->Treo 700P-->Treo 755P-->Centro-->Pre+-->Pre 2
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    Nice review, I think you've covered about how I feel on everything, except tilted slighty towards the PalmOS vs WMobile for me. Really wish Palm had a better answer that another Palm OS 5.x device each year.

    Waiting patiently for a 3G GSM, decent camera, Palm OS/Linux based Treo.
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    Awesome review, treo devices have never really intrigued me, but with your review it has opened my eyes to some more of the exciting this about the OS, mainly the 3rd party apps that are available, although I'd love to see how long ago some of those apps were created, as I mentioned somewhere else before here the development of the 3rd party apps seems to have gone stale for the PalmOS....I'm excited to see what Palm comes up with for their next OS...but I truly do believe using WinMobile in the mean time has lost them some of their loyal fans, which they may not be able to get back.
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    Just as an FYI, Chatter and Versamail both do Exchange Sync as well, so I'm not sure what you're saying about better push email.

    In fact, Chatter is the only email client I've ever used (and I'm not just talking about Palm clients) which can successfully interface with the Outlook Web Access in order to let me get my work email without having to VPN into the network. Of course, to sync the calendar I would have to use Versamail which requires VPN, but still.
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    I'm making the 680 work for me now, but I have entire tab in ZLauncher that basically stores Palm apps that I don't use. 3rd party apps aren't a fun option with this, they're a necessity. I do find myself getting a little cranky about that - if I pay $400 for a phone I shouldn't have to load it up with a bunch of apps just to make it work well. Still, I'm invested now and dealing with it. I look at the 750 all the time wondering if I'm ready to invest in a new OS. Not sure what I'm waiting for - I have little faith that the new Palm OS will be the market-shaker many hope. We'll probably be on WM 8 by then!
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    I checked out the Centro the other day. Great little phone for first-time Palm folks or those coming from feature phones, but it seems to offer little to current Treo users.

    Surprisingly the keyboard was fine - and I have HUGE hands. It was the small screen that I couldn't deal with. I want my Treo screen to be bigger, so going to the smaller Centro one is a no go.

    So, it's still the 680 for now. I think there are probably a lot of 680/755 folks out there wondering if they should wait or jump ship.

    Curious to see how the other Round Robin folks treat the 680......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bla1ze View Post
    Awesome review, treo devices have never really intrigued me, but with your review it has opened my eyes to some more of the exciting this about the OS, mainly the 3rd party apps that are available, although I'd love to see how long ago some of those apps were created, as I mentioned somewhere else before here the development of the 3rd party apps seems to have gone stale for the PalmOS....I'm excited to see what Palm comes up with for their next OS...but I truly do believe using WinMobile in the mean time has lost them some of their loyal fans, which they may not be able to get back.
    I think your intuition about PalmOS losing some of their fanbase is right, but I also think a lot of those folks would come running back if Palm could get their Linux-based PalmOS out a little faster than the current plan.

    I also think your intuition about a lot of apps being 'old' is also right, but there are a few counter-examples (specifically Google Maps and GX5's offerings). This coming year, however, I think it's going to stagnate pretty badly with people waiting for the new OS and/or moving their development efforts over to the iPhone and Android.

    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    Just as an FYI, Chatter and Versamail both do Exchange Sync as well, so I'm not sure what you're saying about better push email.

    In fact, Chatter is the only email client I've ever used (and I'm not just talking about Palm clients) which can successfully interface with the Outlook Web Access in order to let me get my work email without having to VPN into the network. Of course, to sync the calendar I would have to use Versamail which requires VPN, but still.
    Well, I meant that chatter does imap idle, giving me dead-simple push email without the hassle of setting up an EAS server. OTOH, EAS does do the other syncing, as you mention, so I usually go back to it if only because it means I don't have to plug in to keep my data synced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cascade View Post
    I'm making the 680 work for me now, but I have entire tab in ZLauncher that basically stores Palm apps that I don't use. 3rd party apps aren't a fun option with this, they're a necessity. I do find myself getting a little cranky about that - if I pay $400 for a phone I shouldn't have to load it up with a bunch of apps just to make it work well. Still, I'm invested now and dealing with it. I look at the 750 all the time wondering if I'm ready to invest in a new OS. Not sure what I'm waiting for - I have little faith that the new Palm OS will be the market-shaker many hope. We'll probably be on WM 8 by then!
    Well, we'll probably be close to wm7. They *did* just release WM6 and my understanding is that WM7 is more of a significant revision (in fact, I think the decision to call it WM6 instead of WM5.5 came pretty late).

    Quote Originally Posted by Cascade View Post
    I checked out the Centro the other day. Great little phone for first-time Palm folks or those coming from feature phones, but it seems to offer little to current Treo users.

    Surprisingly the keyboard was fine - and I have HUGE hands. It was the small screen that I couldn't deal with. I want my Treo screen to be bigger, so going to the smaller Centro one is a no go.

    So, it's still the 680 for now. I think there are probably a lot of 680/755 folks out there wondering if they should wait or jump ship.

    Curious to see how the other Round Robin folks treat the 680......
    I'm also curious. I also keep telling people to get their hands on a Centro, the keyboard is astonishingly easy to use for its size. Palm can't get a GSM version of the Centro out fast enough, IMO, it's just a pity that I don't foresee a 3G-GSM-PalmOS device.

    I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
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    wow!!! I stop looking at this site for a couple of days and boom!!!! the bomb drops on Palm.

    Jolly good show on your final thoughts on the PalmOS. I tip my BoSox hat to ya on going an entire week with a different device. The longest I've survived with a WM device was 2 days....
    Palm 105--->Samsung i-300--->Treo 300-->Treo 600-->Treo 300 (still has the best keyboard)-->Treo 755p-->Palm PRE-->Treo 680(unlocked by me)--->iPhone 3G---->iPhone 4---->Hp Pre3
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitido357 View Post
    wow!!! I stop looking at this site for a couple of days and boom!!!! the bomb drops on Palm.

    Jolly good show on your final thoughts on the PalmOS. I tip my BoSox hat to ya on going an entire week with a different device. The longest I've survived with a WM device was 2 days....
    Heh. I'll take a BoSox hat tip, but I don't have to like it.
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    What a great way to get a first had view of the Treo. I'm one of those "old-school" types who haven't upgraded to a smart phone. I use a Palm Vx (like I said - old school). I've been waiting for the perfect phone to combine my Palm Vx, my cell phone, and my iPod. The iPod is tempting, but I would have to give up my Palm desktop and I would have to switch from Sprint to AT&T. The Treo doesn't give me WiFi or iTunes. Maybe I'm asking for too much. I have high hopes for the Treo 800W!!!

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