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  1.    #1  
    Ok guys,

    We have had our complaints about Palm not "kicking it up a notch"(I hope food network doesn't sue me). Palm's mantra, the KISS method (Keep I t Simple Stupid) is changing to Hyper-Slow Innovation. Hasn't the PDA audience gotten more sophisticated. Even newbies to pdas's expect more.

    So my question is what does Palm have to incorporate in the the near future of the operating system (Palm OS 5) to keep you on the platform? And if you are leaning towards another platform, why?
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    They need to keep developing a simple, stable, easy to use OS that keeps up with the hardware end of things.

    Right now, the Palm OS does everything I need it to.
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    I'm not leaning toward another OS - yet - but I would like to see the following features built into future devices. Some of these may be OS related, others more just a hardware issue. Some of these are supposed to be addressed in OS 4.0, as I understand it.

    1. Higher-resolution screens, ala the new Clie or Handera.
    2. Built-in wireless.
    3. Built-in voice recorder, with ability to export files during hot synch in various formats.

    That said, I do think Palm and its licensees need to hit the right balance - between keeping it simple, but having the OS support more features. I'm not jumping ship because based on my limited experience the competition (Pocket PC) is too complicated and buggy for my tastes.
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    Palm would have to massively obfuscate the Palm OS UI to make me consider another PDA OS (i.e., CE).

    As to features that will keep me on Palm OS:

    - Continued simple and consistent UI
    - Support for higher resolution display

    As far as I'm concerned, that's about it.
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    Soft Graffiti and Higher Resolution
    Have A Good Day!
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    Soft Graffiti and Higher Resolution
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    I agree with homer. Most of the features you are requesting are already done. The HandEra 330:

    http://www.handera.com
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  8. #8  
    Originally posted by LanMan
    I agree with homer. Most of the features you are requesting are already done. The HandEra 330:

    http://www.handera.com
    Did you ever get yours?
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    1. Backwards compatibility with Dragonball based program binaries,

    In otherwords, if they switch to an ARM based processor, I would like to see some kind of "compatibility" mode to allow you to run all your existing Dragonball binary PRC's on the ARM processor.

    2. Memory limit expanded beyond 8mb, lets say 256mb,512mb or 1gb (max it out to the limit of what the processor can address)

    3. Stability

    4. Higher resolution

    5. Better audio abilities (including recording & playback)

    6. Multitasking

    7. Upgradable OS (hint hint Handspring)

    8. Ability use something like an IBM microdrive as storage (kinda almost there now with OS 4) with a real file system (possibly virtual memory support as well)
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    Originally posted by EricG
    1. Backwards compatibility with Dragonball based program binaries,

    In otherwords, if they switch to an ARM based processor, I would like to see some kind of "compatibility" mode to allow you to run all your existing Dragonball binary PRC's on the ARM processor.

    2. Memory limit expanded beyond 8mb, lets say 256mb,512mb or 1gb (max it out to the limit of what the processor can address)

    3. Stability

    4. Higher resolution

    5. Better audio abilities (including recording & playback)

    6. Multitasking

    7. Upgradable OS (hint hint Handspring)

    8. Ability use something like an IBM microdrive as storage (kinda almost there now with OS 4) with a real file system (possibly virtual memory support as well)
    Ditto here.
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    Originally posted by EricG

    1. Backwards compatibility with Dragonball based program binaries...
    2. Memory limit expanded beyond 8mb...
    3. Stability
    4. Higher resolution
    5. Better audio abilities (including recording & playback)
    6. Multitasking
    7. Upgradable OS (hint hint Handspring)
    8. Ability use something like an IBM microdrive as storage (kinda almost there now with OS 4) with a real file system (possibly virtual memory support as well)
    I totally agree on 1, 3, and 4 (soft graffiti area first priority, 320x320/320x480 second priority for me)
    I think 5 and 7 are nice to have, but I won't die without them. I would like better sound for games, MP3s, video clips, etc. but I wouldn't use audio recording myself. As for upgradable OS, Palm already supports this, and while it would be nice if HS supported it too, it's not a deal-breaker for me (many of the enhancements to the OS we're talking about require new hardware anyway)
    Number 8, as you mention, is almost here with OS4.0, and while they could definitely improve things (like supporting a $#!@#% move function in the built-in launcher), I'm not sure they want to go all the way to a real file system -- it would definitely impact ease of use. Maybe they could make an optional advanced mode that lets power users access external memory as a filesystem -- in fact, there are 3rd party utilities for the Clie like McFile and MsMount that provide filesystem access and something like virtual memory support (these work for m50x devices as well)
    Number 2 may be more of a power-user feature than something average users will take advantage of. Plus, if number 8 is supported effectively, it reduces the need for number 2.
    I've personally never really understood the need for number 6. With such a small screen, I wouldn't want to deal with multiple windows or anything like that. Plus, why let 'background' apps suck up the limited processor/memory resources on a handheld device? Don't get me wrong, there is value in being able to do some things simultaneously -- like play MP3s, talk on the phone, or receive pager alerts while in another app, but HS, Sony, and Palm seem to be able to support most of this stuff with the current OS versions (3.5 and 4.0). Can you provide some compelling examples/usage scenarios requiring OS-level multitasking that would justify the increased complexity required? (and the potential stability/performance problems associated with that complexity)
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    1. Backwards compatibility with Dragonball based program binaries...
    2. Memory limit expanded beyond 8mb...
    3. Stability
    4. Higher resolution
    5. Better audio abilities (including recording & playback)
    6. Multitasking
    7. Upgradable OS (hint hint Handspring)
    8. Ability use something like an IBM microdrive as storage (kinda almost there now with OS 4) with a real file system (possibly virtual memory support as well)
    All this can be found in an iPaq. And YES it IS stable for me. People complain about it being complex, but its not complex for me, then again I have bling-bling computer skills :-)

    Some PPC users need to get a Palm, and some Palm users need to get a PPC.

    In fact, I carry one of each :-) hehhe, but the Palm usually sits in my backpack. I have a IIIx and an iPaq btw.
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    Soft Graffiti and Higher Resolution
    Originally posted by homer

    = Handera
    Re: Higher resolution: not quite. I really want it supported by the OS, not on a device-by-device basis. Requiring Palm applications to write different high-res code for each different Palm PDA that supports high-res is not a long-term (or even medium-term) solution.

    That said, Handera's done about as fine a job with high-resolution as one can do without the Palm OS supporting it.
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    It really doesn't matter what Palm produces in their new OS if Handspring doesn't support it. In order for it to be worth while, at least for me, Handspring needs to make it so I can upgrade my OS on my VDX.

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    My investment in software will keep me on the Palm platform.
    For the future, I agree with previous posts as to screen resolution, flash rom.
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    Originally posted by bookrats
    That said, Handera's done about as fine a job with high-resolution as one can do without the Palm OS supporting it.
    While I think HandEra has done a good job with their high-res, I believe Sony's implementation is superior for two reasons:

    1) Higher resolution: 320x320 vs. 240x240 (not including the soft graffiti area, which I consider to be separate from resolution)

    2) Better support for 'old' apps: By simply doubling pixels in both directions, non-high-res apps look the same as they do on older devices (actually, a bit better because the 'black grid' is less noticable), plus this is done in hardware so it doesn't affect performance. On the HandEra, some apps won't work right in 'scale to fit' mode (their version of pixel 'doubling') and will show up in a smaller window:

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    Originally posted by homer


    = Handera
    But I need color and it should be 16 bit
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    Originally posted by bookrats
    Re: Higher resolution: not quite. I really want it supported by the OS, not on a device-by-device basis. Requiring Palm applications to write different high-res code for each different Palm PDA that supports high-res is not a long-term (or even medium-term) solution.
    Actually, the Handera automatically puts fonts into high-res mode, so the OS does support each program.

    Even if Palm came out with a high-res device tomorrow, developers would still have to upgrade their programs.

    Many are doing a great job of this already. For example, I wrote Tealpoint on Tuesday that Tealscript didn't work on my Handera, and they had a revised program by Friday.
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    Originally posted by akur

    But I need color and it should be 16 bit
    Color I can understand. Why exactly do you need 16-bit?
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    It's a loaded question if you're not on the verge of switching. Besides, most of my wish list is in the hardware realm, not in the OS. I'm really interested to see what Palm and Handspring have in store for this year as far as their "always-on internet" devices. If Palm.net and RIM's current pricing is any indication, I don't expect the service to be cheap, and I hate being locked in to a service provider for a year or more.

    The only thing I really "need" is a CDMA version of the VisorPhone. But a color Edge would be nice.
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