View Poll Results: Should a Springboard adapter be made for the new Palms?

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  • Yes - What a great Idea!!! It would allow me to extend the life of my investments in SB technology.

    9 37.50%
  • Yes - But I'm not sure it would fly.

    5 20.83%
  • No - Why Bother.

    7 29.17%
  • Is this a trick question?

    3 12.50%
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  1.    #1  
    I got a feeling that some smart company will develop a sled similar to the sled for the Visor Edge and allow Palms with the SD slot (Palm M5xx) to use our beloved Springboards. Heck it might even work on the Handera 330.

    I think it could work. Any opinions?
    Last edited by mikedemo; 05/11/2001 at 01:17 PM.
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  2. #2  
    I don't think that's possible. I believe Handspring made modifications to the OS and hardware for the addition of the springboard modules. I know there is certain criteria that has to be followed when creating a springboard so that it will "behave" properly with the Handspring version of the OS. Palm would have to have the criteria built into or hacked into their OS.

    Besides, Handspring and Palm are competitors, why would Handspring allow Palm to infringe upon the one thing that Handspring has and Palm doesn't? Why would Palm want to use Handspring's technology? That would send the message to the industry that Palm failed in their own attempts to make a hardware solution that's better.

    Great idea, but will not happen IMHO......
  3. #3  
    I no technical specialist, but I don't think that the SD slot modified to access springboards is possible. I thought that the springboard slot is a direct extention of Handspring's processor. I don't think the SD slot works like that.

    I could be wrong...
    Fat's
  4. #4  
    Speaking of other PDA's using springboards....

    I wonder what's going on with the Symbol PDA's(I think that's the name), didn't they license the springboard technology about a year back?
    Fat's
  5. #5  
    You are right on track Fat Man......

    The whole Visor/Platinum/Prism/Edge idea is wrapped around the springboard technology. The system was designed from the ground up with the SB slot in mind. Palm can't just throw an adapter on their unit and make it work.....
  6. #6  
    Originally posted by Fat_Man
    I no technical specialist, but I don't think that the SD slot modified to access springboards is possible. I thought that the springboard slot is a direct extension of Handspring's processor. I don't think the SD slot works like that.

    I could be wrong...
    You are completely correct. The expansion port on the m50x series does have a couple of I/O lines, but it's not enough. Palm would have had to expose most of the CPU bus. They could have, but chose not to.

    No SpringBoard adapters - sorry.

    Actually, somebody could do one, but they would basically have to put a new DragonBall into the sled and write conversion software to convert SD I/O, which isn't even a finished spec yet, to SpringBoard protocol and back again. There would also be the small problem of getting the software from the SpringBoard installed and uninstalled across the adaptor.

    I suspect that nobody wants to use an EyeModule 2 this badly.
  7.    #7  
    Common guys remember . . . Palm incorporates the technical feats of the compatibles now.

    16 bit color (Handspring)
    Expansion slot (TRG and Handspring)
    Palm Desktop support for USB (Handspring)
    *I am curently using Palm desktop 4.1 with no problems at all*

    I am sure Palm didn't write drivers from the ground up on dealing with expansion slots so I'll bet there's a hell of a lot of common ground.

    look at what's coming for the Visor:

    Memory Stick adapter (coming soon)
    SD adapter (coming soon)
    Compact Flash Adapter (Already available)
    MMC adapter(already avilable)

    I really think it can be done.
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  8. #8  
    Originally posted by mikedemo
    Common guys remember . . . Palm incorporates the technical feats of the compatibles now.

    16 bit color (Handspring)
    Expansion slot (TRG and Handspring)
    Palm Desktop support for USB (Handspring)
    *I am curently using Palm desktop 4.1 with no problems at all*

    I am sure Palm didn't write drivers from the ground up on dealing with expansion slots so I'll bet there's a hell of a lot of common ground.

    look at what's coming for the Visor:

    Memory Stick adapter (coming soon)
    SD adapter (coming soon)
    Compact Flash Adapter (Already available)
    MMC adapter(already avilable)

    I really think it can be done.

    Dude, read the rest of the thread, do a little research and you'll find that it's not going to happen. If you are still waiting for it after that......don't hold your breath.
  9.    #9  
    *passes out after hold breath*
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  10. #10  
    Originally posted by mikedemo
    *passes out after hold breath*
    You really are in the Alpha Quadrant, aren't you?
  11.    #11  
    *wakes up*

    ok ok I get the point. But I am sure some crafty developer could do it. People were making their own CF adapters for the Visor before it became commercially avaiable.
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  12. #12  
    Palm using SB modules is like Mac running on a PC, it ain't going to happen no matter how crafty the inventor is.....
  13. #13  
    BESIDES.....

    Doesn't Palm already have an equivalent match to each springboard that's available? Why would someone invest money for an adapter, then pay for a module when he/she could get the same functionality out of a Palm-made product?

    Other then the visorphone and the ebook modules, Palm already has everything else (although it's not as cool a form factor as the SB).

    Isn't that why we all bought from Handspring? We all saw the potential that Handspring proposed with the SB concept. Palm seemed to be kicking back when Handspring came along. And good ole Handspring just caught up with Palm in a few short months.....
  14. #14  
    Originally posted by mikedemo
    ok ok I get the point.
    I don't think that you do, because...

    But I am sure some crafty developer could do it.
    Craftiness has nothing to do with it. Not having the required I/O capability does. Read Brad's comments previously. The SB interface is basically an extension of the Dragonball bus. The SD slot is not.

    People were making their own CF adapters for the Visor before it became commercially avaiable.
    This is irrelevant to what you're talking about, though.
    Last edited by Toby; 05/11/2001 at 03:05 PM.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  15.    #15  
    It was just an idea. I am not about to debate if its profitable effort or prove its technically feasible.
    Guys take it easy just an idea.

    Since you techno guys have all the answers. Will we Visor users be able to use the SD devices outside of SD memory cards?


    By the way smittyofdhs check this link out.

    http://www.emulators.com/softmac.htm

    Mac can run on IBM.
    Last edited by mikedemo; 05/11/2001 at 03:34 PM.
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  16. #16  
    Originally posted by mikedemo
    It was just an idea. I am not about to debate if its profitable effort or prove its technically feasible.
    Guys take it easy just an idea.
    What makes you think anyone's not 'taking it easy'? Nobody ever said it was a bad _idea_, just one that was extremely unlikely to happen due to various reasons. It's wholly understandable that some might consider it desirable, but one must accept the reality that its chances of fruition are slim to none.

    Since you techno guys have all the answers. Will we Visor users be able to use the SD devices outside of memory?
    No one has all the answers, but if you're talking about an SD SB that would function like the Palm's slot, then it's anybody's guess. Writing the software patch to add VFS or SDIO would probably be the toughest part.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  17.    #17  
    Originally posted by Toby


    No one has all the answers, but if you're talking about an SD SB that would function like the Palm's slot, then it's anybody's guess. Writing the software patch to add VFS or SDIO would probably be the toughest part.
    Thanks Toby.
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  18. #18  
    The I/O abilities of the SD prevent a SB adapter, OK, I accept that. But why the hell dont we visor owners have the kind of abilities Handera/TRG or Palm OS4 owners have in order to expand the memory of the F!@#$ing thing. I want to buy lower-priced CF or mmc cards and access them the way handera, sony, and palmos4 users do. I want an OS4-type sd module. I spent $80 on a flash module and THAT'S IT!!!!!! It makes me sick to spend $10-per-meg on memory when there is a shelf nearby with other formats for half or 1/4 the price. My f!@#$ing flash module is full and now I am supposed to go out and spend over $100 on a 16mb version. NO WAY!!! I learned my lesson. I need a handheld which can hold a lot of documents and reference material so I am leaving Handsring and their toys in the dust. Goodbye. I am going with either a handera, m500, or pocket PC with an onboard slot which takes something other than propertiary overpriced, oversized waste-of-my-money springboards!!! I am very sorry I ever bought my visor. Not because it is not useful, I use it a million times a day, I love the god-dammed thing. I hate it because of the money it costs me to get what I need from it. Springboards are not a viable, affordable way to simpy expand memory. Springboard is great in many ways. I wish microsoft would invent somthing like it for upgrading hardware on windows PC's. But for the palm OS??? Handspring is ahead of its time with great ideas but loads them onto a machine which is too bulky and too expensive.
    Last edited by jeffbeerman2; 05/11/2001 at 11:43 PM.
  19.    #19  
    Now thats some serious venting jeffbeerman2. I can understand your frustration.
    -Mikedemo
    It's all about how you spend the money.
  20. #20  
    Originally posted by jeffbeerman2
    The I/O abilities of the SD prevent a SB adapter, OK, I accept that. But why the hell dont we visor owners have the kind of abilities Handera/TRG or Palm OS4 owners have in order to expand the memory of the F!@#$ing thing. I want to buy lower-priced CF or mmc cards and access them the way handera, sony, and palmos4 users do. I want an OS4-type sd module. I spent $80 on a flash module and THAT'S IT!!!!!! It makes me sick to spend $10-per-meg on memory when there is a shelf nearby with other formats for half or 1/4 the price. My f!@#$ing flash module is full and now I am supposed to go out and spend over $100 on a 16mb version. NO WAY!!! I learned my lesson
    Well, there are the InnoPocket and the MatchBookDrive CF adapter modules on the market, both bundled with FAFileMover. In this thread Dave Kessler mentioned a new version of FAFileMover's CSpotRun, currently in beta, which can read doc files directly off the CF card. I'm going for the MemPlug, a SmartMedia card adapter. It's $150 bundled with a 64MB SmartMedia card ($2.34 per MB), or you can get a standalone MemPlug for $49.95. According to JimGunn in this thread, a 64MB SmartMedia card goes for $47.00 with free FedEx shipping on NewEgg.com. $49.95 + $47.00 = $96.95, or $1.51 per MB. Not too shabby.

    A good rundown of cost/benefit value can be found on Scott Hanselman's comparison chart in the MemPlug review.
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